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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 21, 2016 0:36:02 GMT -5
There are at least three things I'm fully willing to admit I don't "get", nor do I care enough to try and "get": Benedict Cumberbatch, EDM, and Bill f***ing Goldberg. Don't get me wrong, he has an "aura", but every hoss over seven feet with an undefeated streak has an "aura". Apart from that abortion of a mule kick that ended Bret Hart's career, I don't even recall him doing any real wrestling moves outside of the spear and the jackhammer, just punches and kicks.
That main event was hot f***ing garbage. I went into that main even with lower expectations than I used to go into the Divas matches during the dark ages of women's wrestling with, and I was still disappointed. Mind you, the way Suplex Shitty's been this past year, him being squashed is something that I should've technically been ecstatic about, but they somehow figured out a way to siphon the joy out of even that. After totally wasting Dean Ambrose at WrestleMania, and wasting Randy Orton even worse at SummerSlam (still don't forgive them for not giving us what could've been an amazing F5-into-RKO reversal), they turned around and wasted the entire last two or three years of "unbeatable Brock Lesnar" on a f***ing 50 year old, who even during his prime was all sizzle no steak. LOLWWE.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Nov 21, 2016 0:36:29 GMT -5
I don't think so...kid is gonna be like "my dad beat brock lesnar in 90 seconds, it was awesome." Well, his wife seemed awfully happy for him only lasting 90 seconds. What part of Goldberg gets the job done in 90 seconds don't you get? Do I have to draw pictures here?
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Post by Jazzman on Nov 21, 2016 0:37:03 GMT -5
No joke, my buddy and I watched the match between Glacier and Goldberg that "Main Evented" Nitro in 1998 before the PPV. The real ME was a DDP/Karl Malone segment that Tony pitched. If you had told me that we watched the more competitive match before the PPV, I would have laughed in your face. For further viewing, check out the Goldberg-Glacier match from Thunder. Probably my favorite Goldberg squash, really showed his versatility. As a Glacier mark I know the match you're talking about. No doubt it's the better match, just random that a Glacier reference was made and that happened for me tonight. Synergy.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 21, 2016 0:37:07 GMT -5
49 year old Goldberg is better than John Cena, Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, Randy Orton and anyone else Brock has squashed since he broke the streak. Will he be here in a month? f***in' nope. Textbook example of why WWE doesn't have any real stars now. They're too busy putting on nostalgia acts trying to say "remember when we were culturally relevant, in the 90s?" instead of investing in the very real talent. 24 hours ago, some of the best wrestlers in the world were putting on some of the best matches of the year. Two hours ago, a 50-year-old who peaked during the Clinton Administration squashed a guy who peaked when John Cena was still a rookie. And both of them come off looking like bigger deals than the 10-15 legit worldbeaters they have between WWE and NXT. I honestly believe Vince would rather take the company with him to the grave than watch it evolve beyond him.
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Post by Shai on Nov 21, 2016 0:41:32 GMT -5
I freaking swear the more I think about this the more I think it was absolutely perfect booking. Like to go full kayfabe for a moment. Brock takes no one seriously ever. He's just gotten cockier and cockier. Especially after breaking the streak and squashing Cena. He's got Paul Heyman gassing his head up about how no one can beat him, so he just laughs at the people who challenge him. Along comes Goldberg who hadn't wrestled in 12 years. Brock laughs it off as a joke. Heyman insults him and his family at every turn. But while their busy laughing Goldberg is training. So when tonight rolls around Brock goes for the intimidation that has worked in the past. But Goldberg's not afraid. It throws Brock off his game. Then he gets got and the only person to blame is himself.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 0:43:15 GMT -5
Perfection.
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Post by Error on Nov 21, 2016 0:46:24 GMT -5
I freaking swear the more I think about this the more I think it was absolutely perfect booking. Like to go full kayfabe for a moment. Brock takes no one seriously ever. He's just gotten cockier and cockier. Especially after breaking the streak and squashing Cena. He's got Paul Heyman gassing his head up about how no one can beat him, so he just laughs at the people who challenge him. Along comes Goldberg who hadn't wrestled in 12 years. Brock laughs it off as a joke. Heyman insults him and his family at every turn. But while their busy laughing Goldberg is training. So when tonight rolls around Brock goes for the intimidation that has worked in the past. But Goldberg's not afraid. It throws Brock off his game. Then he gets got and the only person to blame is himself. That is why I like it. He went in cocky and when Goldberg shoved him off, he turned his back to Goldberg and that was it. It was brilliant in that regard. I'm really hoping they don't blow the follow up. As I said earlier, have Lesnar destroy people tomorrow, heel, face, champions, challengers, if it is a male superstar on RAW, by hour 2 they should all be in fear of Lesnar beating their ass. Have absolutely out of control and police arrest and drag him out.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Nov 21, 2016 0:47:50 GMT -5
I freaking swear the more I think about this the more I think it was absolutely perfect booking. Like to go full kayfabe for a moment. Brock takes no one seriously ever. He's just gotten cockier and cockier. Especially after breaking the streak and squashing Cena. He's got Paul Heyman gassing his head up about how no one can beat him, so he just laughs at the people who challenge him. Along comes Goldberg who hadn't wrestled in 12 years. Brock laughs it off as a joke. Heyman insults him and his family at every turn. But while their busy laughing Goldberg is training. So when tonight rolls around Brock goes for the intimidation that has worked in the past. But Goldberg's not afraid. It throws Brock off his game. Then he gets got and the only person to blame is himself. So, basically "Casey At The Bat" the wrestling match. Not really that ground breaking.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 0:48:52 GMT -5
I freaking swear the more I think about this the more I think it was absolutely perfect booking. Like to go full kayfabe for a moment. Brock takes no one seriously ever. He's just gotten cockier and cockier. Especially after breaking the streak and squashing Cena. He's got Paul Heyman gassing his head up about how no one can beat him, so he just laughs at the people who challenge him. Along comes Goldberg who hadn't wrestled in 12 years. Brock laughs it off as a joke. Heyman insults him and his family at every turn. But while their busy laughing Goldberg is training. So when tonight rolls around Brock goes for the intimidation that has worked in the past. But Goldberg's not afraid. It throws Brock off his game. Then he gets got and the only person to blame is himself. That is why I like it. He went in cocky and when Goldberg shoved him off, he turned his back to Goldberg and that was it. It was brilliant in that regard. I'm really hoping they don't blow the follow up. As I said earlier, have Lesnar destroy people tomorrow, heel, face, champions, challengers, if it is a male superstar on RAW, by hour 2 they should all be in fear of Lesnar beating their ass. Have absolutely out of control and police arrest and drag him out. Yeah, tomorrow I'm expecting Brock either just beats up a couple jobbers then gets suspended by Stephanie and just slinks off or Heyman screams a bit over how Brock wants a rematch while he just scowls, but best way to do it is having Brock come out mid-show and just kill everyone in the ring, then everyone who tries to stop him, and then basically spend like 20 minutes straight just murdering everyone who gets anywhere near him.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Nov 21, 2016 0:49:37 GMT -5
People are explaining the appeal of something they liked, take it or leave it.
Likewise, you don't have to have liked it, but arguing what is really this or that is just never ending/pointless.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Nov 21, 2016 0:51:19 GMT -5
I know he's been protected etc, my point is it's odd to think he's done being pushed just because he lost a one-off match to a legend. This was his first clean loss since............Cena on his return (?) and even that was a fluke. The dude just got squashed by a guy that hasn't been involved in anything in 12 years, that doesn't exactly look good or make a lot of sense to a lot of people. No one is under the impression he is done being pushed, they are gobsmacked that after everything has done to protect and make Lesnar look like the biggest, most important, strongest person in WWE history, they had him squashed by someone from outside wrestling. Which is the point. People can hate on Lesnar for being lazy in ring, boring to watch, or failing a drug test. But the WWE have went out of their way to create a mythic superstar unlike anything we've ever seen. I don't care he lost in short order. I don't care he underestimated his opponent. I care that he dominated Cena, ended the streak, and even recently made Orton his bitch. All for what? To lose to a..part timer is generous...in less than 90 seconds or so. Put whatever prejudices you have about Brock aside and look at it from a character standpoint, this damages him. When his music hits the crowd going "OHHHHH" won't be as prevalent. They ruined his presence with this. On Goldberg of all people. This win belonged to Joe, or Nakamura. Someone that could really benefit. I am head shakingly baffled people think this is great because it was unexpected, and different. and that it "was the perfect end to Goldberg's career". I don't get that train of thought. I'm all about to each their own, but the booking of this seems steeped in stupidity to me. Hell in his matches with Taker how many Last Rides, Tombstones, and Hell's Gates did the dude kick out of/escape from? UT had to cheat to win the match! That's how strong he was being booked. But he loses after a couple spears and a jackhammer??? Heh??? I could be short sighted, and they have grand plans for both men, maybe leading to a 3rd showdown at WM. But even then, it's going to take a lot of good writing to recover the 2 years wasted in less than a minute or so. Now if Goldberg comes out tomorrow on Raw, and Lesnar just murks him and "injures" him, that's a good step. But if they pull a HHH/Owens, and have him do something and then just disappear it won't make sense to me.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 21, 2016 0:52:24 GMT -5
That is why I like it. He went in cocky and when Goldberg shoved him off, he turned his back to Goldberg and that was it. It was brilliant in that regard. I'm really hoping they don't blow the follow up. As I said earlier, have Lesnar destroy people tomorrow, heel, face, champions, challengers, if it is a male superstar on RAW, by hour 2 they should all be in fear of Lesnar beating their ass. Have absolutely out of control and police arrest and drag him out. Yeah, tomorrow I'm expecting Brock either just beats up a couple jobbers then gets suspended by Stephanie and just slinks off or Heyman screams a bit over how Brock wants a rematch while he just scowls, but best way to do it is having Brock come out mid-show and just kill everyone in the ring, then everyone who tries to stop him, and then basically spend like 20 minutes straight just murdering everyone who gets anywhere near him. The CW division better be ready to look like rag dolls
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 21, 2016 0:53:58 GMT -5
Beating the streak wasn't transferable, especially almost 3 years after the fact.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Nov 21, 2016 0:55:37 GMT -5
People are explaining the appeal of something they liked, take it or leave it. Likewise, you don't have to have liked it, but arguing what is really this or that is just never ending/pointless. Not arguing, just pointing out how little effort they put into this match for the sake of just riding Goldberg's nostalgia pop.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Nov 21, 2016 0:59:12 GMT -5
People are explaining the appeal of something they liked, take it or leave it. Likewise, you don't have to have liked it, but arguing what is really this or that is just never ending/pointless. Not arguing, just pointing out how little effort they put into this match for the sake of just riding Goldberg's nostalgia pop. It was a choice, an artistic choice made for a broadcast segment of some entertainment. This is his style that got him over, it's something unexpected in this context. Some like it, some don't like it, but just personally I think this "length of match = amount of effort" thing really should not apply to pro wrestling. I'm sure they're aware that some will feel like they didn't get what they wanted, they took a bit of an artistic chance, odd as that may be.
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Post by Shai on Nov 21, 2016 0:59:26 GMT -5
I freaking swear the more I think about this the more I think it was absolutely perfect booking. Like to go full kayfabe for a moment. Brock takes no one seriously ever. He's just gotten cockier and cockier. Especially after breaking the streak and squashing Cena. He's got Paul Heyman gassing his head up about how no one can beat him, so he just laughs at the people who challenge him. Along comes Goldberg who hadn't wrestled in 12 years. Brock laughs it off as a joke. Heyman insults him and his family at every turn. But while their busy laughing Goldberg is training. So when tonight rolls around Brock goes for the intimidation that has worked in the past. But Goldberg's not afraid. It throws Brock off his game. Then he gets got and the only person to blame is himself. So, basically "Casey At The Bat" the wrestling match. Not really that ground breaking. It's wrestling it doesn't always have to be ground breaking and actually for WWE it kinda is. Not a soul thought that match was going down the way it did. They thought an actual match was gonna happen. They thought Brock was gonna just spam suplexes. No one was expecting Brock to job and it should get points for the swerve alone. Let alone the fact that if they play their cards right they could reboot Lesnar, by having this light a fire under his ass so he stops taking everything for granted.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Nov 21, 2016 1:01:27 GMT -5
Beating the streak wasn't transferable, especially almost 3 years after the fact. My thoughts exactly. The ship has sailed on "making" someone with Brock and everyone on RAW or Smackdown is too much of a comedy figure anyway to have a credible match with him. Might as well stir up some interest with Goldberg.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Nov 21, 2016 1:08:46 GMT -5
I would much rather have Goldberg beat Brock than have Nakamura do it.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Nov 21, 2016 1:11:55 GMT -5
Beating the streak wasn't transferable, especially almost 3 years after the fact. My thoughts exactly. The ship has sailed on "making" someone with Brock and everyone on RAW or Smackdown is too much of a comedy figure anyway to have a credible match with him. Might as well stir up some interest with Goldberg. I'm just tired of hearing complaining about the streak going to waste. We could play this game all day long. Why did Brock get squashed by Goldberg? Why did Taker lose the Streak to Brock? Why did Taker retire HBK? Why did HBK retire Flair? Any match could have elevated an up and comer. It is what it is.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 21, 2016 1:27:11 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly. The ship has sailed on "making" someone with Brock and everyone on RAW or Smackdown is too much of a comedy figure anyway to have a credible match with him. Might as well stir up some interest with Goldberg. I'm just tired of hearing complaining about the streak going to waste. We could play this game all day long. Why did Brock get squashed by Goldberg? Why did Taker lose the Streak to Brock? Why did Taker retire HBK? Why did HBK retire Flair? Any match could have elevated an up and comer. It is what it is. As shit as Goldberg/Lesnar II was, it off only a symptom of problem. Vince & Co. would rather "ride the nostalgia pop" as a previous poster put it perfectly, than bother even attempting to make new stars. Oh, except for the Rock's cousin.
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