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Post by Sparvid on Nov 21, 2016 1:42:37 GMT -5
The best part about it was the MMA/legit sport-aspect of it. Think about it. How many times have you watched a PPV and looked at the clock and thought, "Okay, it's 10:XX, so there's this much time left" and then completely figured out how a main event would go? You might not know the finish, but you'll have a pretty good idea of the pacing and the narrative. Tonight, the WWE said, "You guys know nothing" and completely surprised everybody. I get people being pissed with a short match, but it was a legit surprise and that's so rare these days. I'm all for it. "Well, since we still have PPV time left, here's a replay of the pre-show matches"
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Nov 21, 2016 1:49:24 GMT -5
I'll be honest, were it any other opponent but Brock, I probably would have been upset.
Because it was Brock, I think it's freakin' awesome. He was long overdue for being taken down by a babyface with superior amounts of kickassitude, especially after being booked as God Incarnate over Orton despite the USADA violation.
Yeah, it would have been better and more sensible if a full time performer got the rub, but with some of WWE's recent decisions, I'll be happy with small blessings.
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Post by carter 15 on Nov 21, 2016 1:52:15 GMT -5
Man, I loveddddd this. First WWE PPV I've watched in months, I'm 27 years old and Goldberg is genuinely my childhood hero. Seeing him walking out breathing fire smoke and staring a hole through the ring on the way down was all I was realistically hoping for. To see what actually happened in the match is probably the happiest surprise I've had in my wrestling fandom. Brock fan too.
When I see the way Goldberg carrys himself, it makes me wonder why who ever the new monster of the month is can't bring the same intensity to their character, can it really be that hard? Corbin is an impressive dude, when he walks to the ring I nearly fall asleep though..
The only other person I could say making argument for this win is Joe, Nakamura's strikes are nice, dude gets it too, otherwise his offense looks weak, Joe clearly threw himself around for a guy that couldn't do it to him, fine for most fans and that's cool, it takes a little bit out of the spectacle for me though.
Sorry for ranting. It's not all doom and gloom though guys, trust me, I'm proof!
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 21, 2016 1:54:05 GMT -5
I have no idea if I'm in the minority or majority but I can't put into words how angry I am about Goldberg annihilating Brock like that. Two and a half years of buildup, including sacrificing Taker and Cena, to portray Brock as this unstoppable beast and the one to defeat him is Goldberg, a man whose prime was 15-20 years ago? Who isn't going to be around? Nobody will ever get the boost from beating Brock that we all hoped they would. It's over, they've wasted it and they can't build it up again. All for the sake of one night of TV.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 21, 2016 1:58:09 GMT -5
I have no idea if I'm in the minority or majority but I can't put into words how angry I am about Goldberg annihilating Brock like that. Two and a half years of buildup, including sacrificing Taker and Cena, to portray Brock as this unstoppable beast and the one to defeat him is Goldberg, a man whose prime was 15-20 years ago? Who isn't going to be around? Nobody will ever get the boost from beating Brock that we all hoped they would. It's over, they've wasted it and they can't build it up again. All for the sake of one night of TV. That buildup was already gone; if it wasn't, they wouldn't have had to bring Goldberg in to begin with.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Nov 21, 2016 2:53:26 GMT -5
It made the entire current WWE roster, including men like John Cena, look like a bunch of ham n' eggers.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Nov 21, 2016 2:57:54 GMT -5
I have no idea if I'm in the minority or majority but I can't put into words how angry I am about Goldberg annihilating Brock like that. Two and a half years of buildup, including sacrificing Taker and Cena, to portray Brock as this unstoppable beast and the one to defeat him is Goldberg, a man whose prime was 15-20 years ago? Who isn't going to be around? Nobody will ever get the boost from beating Brock that we all hoped they would. It's over, they've wasted it and they can't build it up again. All for the sake of one night of TV. I can never say a man is wrong for disliking something I flat out loved. All of your points are valid but I don't think this is the end of the storyline. I do hope we never get Brock vs Goldberg 3 though. I think it adds a layer to Brock's character that it eats at him that there's a man he couldn't defeat...and will never defeat. Hulked out Brock should just start taking that rage out on anyone and everyone until Goldberg agrees to a rematch...but Goldberg refuses. Brock blindsides him and just starts destroying Goldberg until someone runs in for the save. Braun. Samoa Joe. Nakamura. Your choice.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 21, 2016 3:14:34 GMT -5
Vince: "Brock, we put a lot behind you. Then this whole UFC thing and we go out of our way and make special deals. And then the testing positive. You understand you have to lose at Survivor Series because of this."
Brock: "Understood. I still get paid the same. Also, you give me a sacrificial lamb beforehand to shoot-injure."
Vince: "We can do that. Orton's not doing anything right now. By the way, the Survivor Series match is against Goldberg."
Brock: "And I get another lamb to slaughter right after, then. And with same pay."
Vince: "We can do that. And the Goldberg match will be a squash. One or two minutes."
Brock: "The second lamb is one of your kids. You pick which."
Vince: "We can do that."
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Post by Zen411 on Nov 21, 2016 3:27:26 GMT -5
Ppv should have ended with Vince McMahon on the titan tron playing wwe2k17 backstage ..."so if you want to see how this match COULD have gone down, buy WWE2K17 available now!"
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Post by SkullTrauma on Nov 21, 2016 3:31:46 GMT -5
Vince: "Brock, we put a lot behind you. Then this whole UFC thing and we go out of our way and make special deals. Then you lose. And then the testing positive. You understand you have to lose at Survivor Series because of this." He won, though.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Nov 21, 2016 3:52:46 GMT -5
I loved it.
After it happened my mouth literally dropped open in shock for a few seconds. I was not expecting that.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Nov 21, 2016 4:54:22 GMT -5
That will forever be how you should book Goldberg.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 21, 2016 5:09:14 GMT -5
Jesus, is Lesnar ever going to be in a competitive match with anybody in this era? He either squatch people with the same mover over and over or he's getting squatched. Why can't they bring in Patterson out of retirement and let him book Brock's matches. He made Hogan and Warrior seemed semi-competent in 1990. You had to great forces facing each other, two guys that were pretty limited in the ring to boot and he managed to make both of them long strong.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 21, 2016 5:10:25 GMT -5
I have no idea if I'm in the minority or majority but I can't put into words how angry I am about Goldberg annihilating Brock like that. Two and a half years of buildup, including sacrificing Taker and Cena, to portray Brock as this unstoppable beast and the one to defeat him is Goldberg, a man whose prime was 15-20 years ago? Who isn't going to be around? Nobody will ever get the boost from beating Brock that we all hoped they would. It's over, they've wasted it and they can't build it up again. All for the sake of one night of TV. Yeh,i didnt watch the match and i`m pissed abotu it. Gigantic waste.Nobody gained anything
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Nov 21, 2016 5:12:19 GMT -5
Well they can't claim the customers get their money's worth any longer (esp. PPV buyers, they just started this agaim here in Germany by promoting this exact match!)
UFC and boxing big matches going only 1,2 minutes while people paid 30 bucks? Well WWE can join right in now I guess Billy was injured and they wanted as little physical interaction as possible
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Post by Chuck Conry on Nov 21, 2016 5:24:12 GMT -5
I think Goldberg's kid took a bump when his dad tossed him into the ring.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 21, 2016 5:32:44 GMT -5
Look, for the people complaining, here's how I see it Lesnar lost because he got too full of his own hype. Yes, he did beat all the people listed, he killed Cena, he ended the Streak, he won the title, and has been virtually unstoppable. He also barely shows up, lets another guy talk for him, laughs at his opponents, and has gotten into the dulldrum that he believes he is the best and no one can ever beat him. So he didn't take Goldberg seriously at all, muscled him into the corner to show off, and Goldberg, who was ready for this match, gave Lesnar a reality check. Because Brock's own arrogance was his downfall. This doesn't hurt Lesnar, at all. Lesnar is still a monster, and beast, but he got way ahead of himself. Instead of being in the state of mind of needing to show his dominance like with Cena and Taker, he let the ego get to his head where he expected to go in and slaughter Goldberg as is The Beasts Routine, and Goldberg came out and hit all of his artillery at once, and Brock was not ready. So to me, it made for a great story and a great way to tell it. Someone needed to knock Brock down to size, and fitting that it's the guy who beat him at Mania all those years ago. Could it have been someone else? Maybe, but it being Goldberg and the way it was told, made the story and result so much more of a shock and got everyone talking as much as it did. Brock will be good, and expect a renewed pissed off beast due to this. May see more Goldberg too, time will tell. But I do think there was reason behind this, and I do think it worked. I'll accept this if we have another match at the rumble where these 2 straight body eachother for 20 minutes. I mean, looking at the shape he's in, that's enough time for Bill to do a shitton of Cardio and have a decent match, right? I mean who'd know months in advance that they have an important match and then not prepare to wrestle at all? {Spoiler}
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 21, 2016 5:37:51 GMT -5
If Lesnar getting destroyed in 90 seconds was on the table, how do you not give that honor to Nakamura and then sit back and drown in the cash? Problem is... OK, have Nakamura squash Lesnar. That's great... What chance does The Miz or Bray Wyatt have when they fight him on SmackDown next week? Nakamura should kill them in five seconds, right? He did it to Lesnar. It's an issue with making someone seemingly invincible... Eventually it's just this escalation to the point where anyone who has been treated as even remotely fallible shouldn't stand a chance. Easy. Nakamura's character is an arrogant prick. I've only seen him do one match without his swagger stuff going on, and that's because Ibushi spent months trying to piss him off.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 21, 2016 5:40:33 GMT -5
So, which lasted longer: this match or CM Punk's UFC fight? Punk's fight by about a full minute. Punk actually defended himself more. That's how flattened Lesnar got.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 21, 2016 5:56:55 GMT -5
It's funny I'm hearing the name Nakamura, before the match I thought about a few things I would do if I booked it and one of the things was put someone new over with while Bill and Brock have been fighting for a while, have either Joe or Nakamura come in and attack both guys, make the guy do some impressive stuff with these two formidable monsters. Whomever the person that would have done that would have been made.
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