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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 9, 2016 12:38:51 GMT -5
There's a difference though this time. A key factor is missing. A big, fat, bearded, plaid shirt wearing factor. Yes, because unlike him Disney tends to learn from their mistakes. Personally I believe Lucas's biggest problem is people stopped telling him no because he created Star Wars. which ignores all the people that took Lucas's good ideas and ignored the dumb ones. (or at least called him out on his terrible ones) |
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Post by Shai on Dec 9, 2016 12:39:58 GMT -5
I don't know if I believe that when it comes to Joss Whedon...I know his work pretty damn well and alot of AoUs mistakes were Joss trying to Whedonize the Marvelverse. Could be. But I do think his comments he wanted Age of Ultron to be a darker film with bigger consequences showing the real cracks of The Avengers is pretty valid. Like I would be pretty pissed if they scrapped those ideas and used those ideas on the next movie you weren't even involved in. Civil War was pretty much Age of Ultron Part 2 or The Avengers 3. I love Joss Whedon I totally do....but I always thought he wasn't the right choice to do The Avengers movies. I think the Russos did it much better then he could have. |
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Post by Shai on Dec 9, 2016 12:43:24 GMT -5
Yes, because unlike him Disney tends to learn from their mistakes. Personally I believe Lucas's biggest problem is people stopped telling him no because he created Star Wars. which ignores all the people that took Lucas's good ideas and ignored the dumb ones. (or at least called him out on his terrible ones) Like at some point someone should have said "George, this sucks people don't give two shits about Trade agreements and what the hell is a JarJar Binks?" |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 9, 2016 12:44:31 GMT -5
Personally I believe Lucas's biggest problem is people stopped telling him no because he created Star Wars. which ignores all the people that took Lucas's good ideas and ignored the dumb ones. (or at least called him out on his terrible ones) Like at some point someone should have said "George, this sucks people don't give two shits about Trade agreements and what the hell is a JarJar Binks?" No one wants to watch hours of Parliamentary procedure in their space western. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 9, 2016 12:45:21 GMT -5
A good executive producer would have challenged Lucas with plot holes like "hey George, why couldn't the Jedi testify that an invasion of Naboo was occurring?"
But unfortunately Rick McCallum only cared about the density of CGI in every shot and how wonderful it was.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 9, 2016 12:45:45 GMT -5
I don't know if I believe that when it comes to Joss Whedon...I know his work pretty damn well and alot of AoUs mistakes were Joss trying to Whedonize the Marvelverse. Could be. But I do think his comments he wanted Age of Ultron to be a darker film with bigger consequences showing the real cracks of The Avengers is pretty valid. Like I would be pretty pissed if they scrapped those ideas and used those ideas on the next movie you weren't even involved in. Civil War was pretty much Age of Ultron Part 2 or The Avengers 3. I still think they go pretty dark for infinity wars. I won't say they will outright kill all their main characters but you have to have some shit go down in order to sell the danger |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 12:46:05 GMT -5
Could be. But I do think his comments he wanted Age of Ultron to be a darker film with bigger consequences showing the real cracks of The Avengers is pretty valid. Like I would be pretty pissed if they scrapped those ideas and used those ideas on the next movie you weren't even involved in. Civil War was pretty much Age of Ultron Part 2 or The Avengers 3. I love Joss Whedon I totally do....but I always thought he wasn't the right choice to do The Avengers movies. I think the Russos did it much better then he could have. Oh yeah I believe that too. I have never really got into most of Joss Whedon's work. But I do think he was the right man for the first Avengers film since it's part introductory story and part spectacle and you need a guy who can make it feel like a kid seeing his first ever All Star Game. But the pure spectacle feeling is gone during the second time around where you need to have things like consequences. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 9, 2016 12:49:31 GMT -5
Could be. But I do think his comments he wanted Age of Ultron to be a darker film with bigger consequences showing the real cracks of The Avengers is pretty valid. Like I would be pretty pissed if they scrapped those ideas and used those ideas on the next movie you weren't even involved in. Civil War was pretty much Age of Ultron Part 2 or The Avengers 3. I still think they go pretty dark for infinity wars. I won't say they will outright kill all their main characters but you have to have some shit go down in order to sell the danger Kill all the characters. Wibbly wobbly timey wimey Characters are back, some with new actors. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 9, 2016 12:50:42 GMT -5
I'd like Disney even more if they removed the alterations to the original trilogy Lucas made. It was perfectly fine to clean up the sound, or the print, but when he started changing scenes like the infamous Greedo thing, or adding Hayden Christensen to ROTJ, that was the point he needed someone to make him see sense.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 9, 2016 12:52:42 GMT -5
I still think they go pretty dark for infinity wars. I won't say they will outright kill all their main characters but you have to have some shit go down in order to sell the danger Kill all the characters. Wibbly wobbly timey wimey Characters are back, some with new actors. I mean you can kill the characters and bring them back later it is a comic book movie after all but as far as the original group I can see them killing cap or iron man and then you throw in someone like Hawkeye. He's essentially the Neji at this point. |
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Post by Shai on Dec 9, 2016 12:53:28 GMT -5
I love Joss Whedon I totally do....but I always thought he wasn't the right choice to do The Avengers movies. I think the Russos did it much better then he could have. Oh yeah I believe that too. I have never really got into most of Joss Whedon's work. But I do think he was the right man for the first Avengers film since it's part introductory story and part spectacle and you need a guy who can make it feel like a kid seeing his first ever All Star Game. But the pure spectacle feeling is gone during the second time around where you need to have things like consequences. AoU is on my shit list for multiple reasons. First they ruined one of my favorite villains in the Marvel Universe. Second, though it may be petty having my headcanon that Black Widow and Hawkeye were together shot to hell pissed me off especially since that's the vibe the first Avengers left with pretty much everyone. I genuinely like MCU Quicksliver better then Xverse Quicksilver so that was a waste in my book too. |
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Post by Shai on Dec 9, 2016 12:56:07 GMT -5
I'd like Disney even more if they removed the alterations to the original trilogy Lucas made. It was perfectly fine to clean up the sound, or the print, but when he started changing scenes like the infamous Greedo thing, or adding Hayden Christensen to ROTJ, that was the point he needed someone to make him see sense. And then on top of it he destroyed the originals didn't he? That's crazy shit right there. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 9, 2016 12:59:43 GMT -5
I'd like Disney even more if they removed the alterations to the original trilogy Lucas made. It was perfectly fine to clean up the sound, or the print, but when he started changing scenes like the infamous Greedo thing, or adding Hayden Christensen to ROTJ, that was the point he needed someone to make him see sense. And then on top of it he destroyed the originals didn't he? That's crazy shit right there. It exposed him as a liar too. His rationale for making intrusive changes was "this was my original vision", but as Gary Kurtz pointed out, if it was, they could have shot it that way to begin with. |
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Post by Shai on Dec 9, 2016 13:05:36 GMT -5
And then on top of it he destroyed the originals didn't he? That's crazy shit right there. It exposed him as a liar too. His rationale for making intrusive changes was "this was my original vision", but as Gary Kurtz pointed out, if it was, they could have shot it that way to begin with. When it gets to the point that die hard fans of the franchise you created hate you and say that the best thing that ever happened was that you finally sold it? That's pretty bad. If Disney fixed and rerelesed the original versions of Star Wars theyd be heroes. I rufuse to believe their not working on it. Seems to be a no brainer. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 9, 2016 13:12:32 GMT -5
It exposed him as a liar too. His rationale for making intrusive changes was "this was my original vision", but as Gary Kurtz pointed out, if it was, they could have shot it that way to begin with. When it gets to the point that die hard fans of the franchise you created hate you and say that the best thing that ever happened was that you finally sold it? That's pretty bad. If Disney fixed and rerelesed the original versions of Star Wars theyd be heroes. I rufuse to believe their not working on it. Seems to be a no brainer. Disney need to do two things. 1- fix the OT, and yes I also agree they must surely be working on doing just that, and 2- ignore the prequels as much as possible and pretend they don't exist. All the relevant information the audience needs about the history of the Republic, Leia/Luke, Vader, and the Jedi was delivered in the OT. |
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Post by Shai on Dec 9, 2016 13:26:35 GMT -5
When it gets to the point that die hard fans of the franchise you created hate you and say that the best thing that ever happened was that you finally sold it? That's pretty bad. If Disney fixed and rerelesed the original versions of Star Wars theyd be heroes. I rufuse to believe their not working on it. Seems to be a no brainer. Disney need to do two things. 1- fix the OT, and yes I also agree they must surely be working on doing just that, and 2- ignore the prequels as much as possible and pretend they don't exist. All the relevant information the audience needs about the history of the Republic, Leia/Luke, Vader, and the Jedi was delivered in the OT. I even think taking the Expanded Universe out of offical canon was a good move. There's just to much there to wade through and they've shown that their bringing the best bits of it back without the rest of the convoluted mess. I think the prequels will never officially be taken out of canon but I do think other then occasional stuff like Darth Maul on Rebels it will never be mentioned again. |
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Post by LastCall on Dec 9, 2016 13:55:32 GMT -5
When it gets to the point that die hard fans of the franchise you created hate you and say that the best thing that ever happened was that you finally sold it? That's pretty bad. If Disney fixed and rerelesed the original versions of Star Wars theyd be heroes. I rufuse to believe their not working on it. Seems to be a no brainer. Disney need to do two things. 1- fix the OT, and yes I also agree they must surely be working on doing just that, and 2- ignore the prequels as much as possible and pretend they don't exist. All the relevant information the audience needs about the history of the Republic, Leia/Luke, Vader, and the Jedi was delivered in the OT. Doesn't Fox still own the distribution rights to the OT? Like Disney can use all the characters for whatever they want, but just can't re-release those films. |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 9, 2016 16:18:58 GMT -5
I'm waiting fo ar Star Wars vs the Avengers movie. How would a Sith Lord hold out against the God of Thunder?
It intrigues me greatly.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 9, 2016 17:38:24 GMT -5
Doesn't Fox still own the distribution rights to the OT? Like Disney can use all the characters for whatever they want, but just can't re-release those films. as they co-produced and co-financed it. The rights to the other five movies revert to LucasFilm in May 2020, because Lucas financed and produced those films himself, while Fox merely had the distribution rights. Basically, if Disney will have to pay out some more if they want to do anything with the complete Original Trilogy. |
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Post by Shai on Dec 9, 2016 19:15:55 GMT -5
Doesn't Fox still own the distribution rights to the OT? Like Disney can use all the characters for whatever they want, but just can't re-release those films. as they co-produced and co-financed it. The rights to the other five movies revert to LucasFilm in May 2020, because Lucas financed and produced those films himself, while Fox merely had the distribution rights. Basically, if Disney will have to pay out some more if they want to do anything with the complete Original Trilogy. I think that a deal will proberly be made...if nothing else Disney does nothing half assed. I can't imagine Fox would turn down a deal. They have the one but Disney has the rest. |
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