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Post by edgestar on Dec 13, 2016 16:43:52 GMT -5
I don't really remember what my reaction was lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 19:05:40 GMT -5
Watching it live, scrambled, as a kid: "Yay, Sting!"
After watching it a few years ago: "That was f***ing garbage."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 19:23:28 GMT -5
The last few months of the build was pretty crappy but it had been built up so well before that it felt like a huge show.Main event was beyond dumb but the whole show before that was a complete mess even the Eddie vs Dean match wasn't that great when both men were on fire there was little hope.
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Post by segaz on Dec 15, 2016 10:11:39 GMT -5
And I tried to find a reason to be happy about it like "OK, we played dirty against the people who played dirty against us, but doesn't that make us cheaters too?" I don't know, after watching the BATB 96 ppv and many many weeks where face announcers Tony and Dusty clearly show no love towards the NWO and even talk about beating them at their own game, cheating to win is fine, injuring them is fine etc, i thought it's ok, fight fire with fire.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 15, 2016 12:35:44 GMT -5
Anybody got that Jerry Seinfeld GIF handy? That was pretty much my reaction to that match....and WCW as a whole afterwards.
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Post by evilone on Dec 15, 2016 12:57:04 GMT -5
There was no way in hell for Hogan vs Sting to be any good ring-work wise. It was supposed to be WCW's Hogan vs Warrior which was a novelty in just the headline for the match and that was more than enough to get the fans to order the PPV. It was a payback and fans did order it to see Sting beat Hogan clean. As a matter of fact I'm sure they would have loved to see Sting throw Hogan all over the place for 5 minutes and pin him clean @ 5:03. That would have been a satisfaction.
But no ...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 13:06:21 GMT -5
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 16, 2016 2:43:05 GMT -5
Easy it made me stop watching Nitro and most of the PPVs.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Dec 16, 2016 4:22:54 GMT -5
It was the greatest buildup I may have ever seen going to a PPV. Insanely hot crowds and angles that were impossible to mess up. Yet at the end of the show it felt like the biggest letdown and punch in the stomach.
I did enjoy the Saturn-Benoit and DDP-Hennig matches.
If it weren't for Raven I would have probably stopped watching WCW after that.
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Post by sfvega on Dec 16, 2016 9:33:37 GMT -5
Sting/Hogan couldn't have a great match, but nobody cared about that. The first 2/3rds of Hogan/Goldberg sucked hard. Nobody remembers that. They remember the payoff that they GOT on free TV for a 3-day build. What a f***ing company. Watching it live, scrambled, as a kid: "Yay, Sting!" After watching it a few years ago: "That was f***ing garbage." Ahhh, the days of scrambled PPVs. I think that stuff took years off my eyesight, but there was no cheaper way.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Dec 17, 2016 4:51:20 GMT -5
Sting looked like he was sick for the entire year he was out. He was certainly one of the smaller issues in that debacle but he did not do himself any favors. I honestly would have loved a Goldberg/Brock-esque type match. It was never going to be a ****+ match. Make it memorable (in a good way). In Controversy Creates Cash, Bichoff claimed that Sting got out of shape from not having wrestled for many months during the course of the nWo's dominance over WCW. As bad as the main event of Starcade 97 may have been, WCW added insult to injury by later having Sting join the nWo ... AND FOR NO #@$$^#& REASON!
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Dec 17, 2016 5:52:24 GMT -5
Even at 14years old I yelled SCREW THIS SHIT, well a different word for screw obvsl
Such an easy solution to this longrunning Hogan+nWo vs Sting stuff...and they screwed it up massively. Everyone looked terrible
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Post by sfvega on Dec 17, 2016 6:26:51 GMT -5
Sting looked like he was sick for the entire year he was out. He was certainly one of the smaller issues in that debacle but he did not do himself any favors. I honestly would have loved a Goldberg/Brock-esque type match. It was never going to be a ****+ match. Make it memorable (in a good way). In Controversy Creates Cash, Bichoff claimed that Sting got out of shape from not having wrestled for many months during the course of the nWo's dominance over WCW. As bad as the main event of Starcade 97 may have been, WCW added insult to injury by later having Sting join the nWo ... AND FOR NO #@$$^#& REASON! I have less of a problem with him joining the Wolfpac, since it was due to his friendship with Luger and Hogan wasn't associated with them. Sting should have been a lone wolf still, but they had already completely screwed up his push by that time. The bigger problem I have (other than everything else) is that his entrance all year with flying in from the ceiling, the army of Stings, a helicopter. So Starrcade comes around and the guy just slowly walks down the aisle. Sting was a bigger than life attraction at the time, and they made him seem less so with that lackluster entrance.
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Post by Ryushinku on Dec 17, 2016 7:40:18 GMT -5
At the time, I was annoyed that Hogan grubbed out of doing a proper clean job with it and the whole 'fast count' nonsense. Yet, Sting had the belt, the nWo wasn't totally defeated but it felt like they would be and WCW as a whole seemed like they'd have a fresh start.
Within just a couple weeks, of course, this all started to get flushed away.
I do think later events were a bigger reason WCW folded, but to me this is always their worse moment. They completely blew an easy home run and always seemed to be trying to play catch-up after. It's still something I hold against Hogan (and Bisch), despite other things I credit them for.
It's so simple. If you can't do the squash, just do the standard (Sting blitz, Hogan cheats for heat, Sting comeback win). And a mass ringside brawl of nWo vs WCW guys by the finale would've been a great touch too. Instead they went for pretty much the worst option across the board.
And as for the Hogan line, and let's be honest Bischoff is just parrotting Hulk here - I don't care if Sting turns up for Starrcade '97 weighing 400 pounds and missing an arm. You put that m'fer over clean as a whistle 1-2-3.
That's the payoff the story needed, for everything Hogan and the nWo had done for two-and-a-half years of bragging and cheating and screw-jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 8:04:55 GMT -5
"WTF is Bret doing here?"
(I didn't get to see any wrestling from mid-December until just before Souled Out '98.)
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 17, 2016 10:22:12 GMT -5
I just rubbed my face and sighed then avoided the WCW main event scene whenever Hogan had the title from that point on because it was the same crap we'd seen from him since 1994, only this time as a heel.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Dec 19, 2016 1:26:13 GMT -5
Quit watching WCW because of this match.
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Post by segaz on Dec 29, 2016 6:38:57 GMT -5
What makes me laugh is that the same finish was pulled in WM14 with tyson making the pin instead of a referee. But somehow that was amazing while this was a a stupid idea from start to finish
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 29, 2016 6:46:22 GMT -5
What makes me laugh is that the same finish was pulled in WM14 with tyson making the pin instead of a referee. But somehow that was amazing while this was a a stupid idea from start to finish Context is everything, or Roman Reigns would be treated like Brock was in the early 2000s.
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Post by segaz on Dec 29, 2016 6:56:44 GMT -5
What makes me laugh is that the same finish was pulled in WM14 with tyson making the pin instead of a referee. But somehow that was amazing while this was a a stupid idea from start to finish Context is everything, or Roman Reigns would be treated like Brock was in the early 2000s. In a sense the setting is the same however, you had the cowardly heel with his group running the place, needing to be chased out by Austin, with McMahon also against him as well as Tyson. I think there would have been nothing wrong with Hogan losing due to light interference. Perhaps had the NWO interefere like always and get the pin on Sting, with WCW officials and executives demanding the match to be restarted and WCW wrestlers blocking the NWO. To have Hogan truly without help in the ring, to need to survive on his own. Maybe even have him try to revert to his old Hulking up manoeuvre. But still have him overpowered in the end to really show that he gets what he deserves and that he has become weaker as HHH. I only wish he would have looked weaker in the match against Sting, Sting's offense should really have been top notch.
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