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Post by MAGGLE on Dec 19, 2016 0:37:02 GMT -5
Match of the year for me
"Runs out of thread"
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 19, 2016 0:43:00 GMT -5
That's their booking strategy for Raw. SDL is still THE shit instead of JUST shit. Smackdown doesn't do much of anything for me either right now, to be honest. Real shit. Smackdown is aight but it's not hitting it out of the park or anything lately.
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Post by Shai on Dec 19, 2016 0:46:00 GMT -5
Smackdown doesn't do much of anything for me either right now, to be honest. Real shit. Smackdown is aight but it's not hitting it out of the park or anything lately. At least I can watch SDL without wanting to shoot somebody... The same can not be said about anything Raw related
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Post by Sparvid on Dec 19, 2016 0:47:28 GMT -5
As far as I can find, the most recent televised WWE/Raw Women's title match which didn't include both Charlotte and Sasha was Charlotte defending against Paige on June 20th.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 19, 2016 0:47:41 GMT -5
They've been on the main roster, for less than two years, and I can't imagine ever wanting to see them wrestle each other again. That's exactly my problem with this. Take, say, Cena and CM Punk Over their 2 year feud they had a lot of matches, but they had OTHER matches in between, they had triple threat matches, they had tag matches.... This is just 2 people being thrown at each other and tradin te same belt 7 times in 1 year. Lita took 6 years to get 4 Women's title reigns. Charlotte has taken 9 months.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Dec 19, 2016 0:52:50 GMT -5
Smackdown doesn't do much of anything for me either right now, to be honest. Gotta agree with this. I was white hot on Smackdown with everyone else at first, but lately it's been feeling a lot less exciting as well. Slater's magic is gone, meh women's champ, too much Ellsworth... It's still mostly good, but if the first bit of the new SDL was an A, we're sliding into B- territory for me.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Dec 19, 2016 0:55:53 GMT -5
Why was Sashas mouth all bloody towards the end?
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Post by Shark on Dec 19, 2016 1:07:16 GMT -5
I feel like I'm in a weird spot because I definitely think Charlotte is superior to Sasha's current iteration, but I'm pretty sick to death of them just heaping every possible accolade on her. Ended the longest Divas Champion reign, first women's champ, won at Mania, won at SummerSlam, won the first HIAC, won the first main roster Ironman... Seriously she rivals only Reigns at this point in terms of forced history. Both are very talented women, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Plus the last few minutes were very poorly booked. I think she's far surpassed Reigns. Reigns really only has the Rumble eliminations to his name. Not much else history to his name. He didn't beat Lesnar at Mania. He doesn't have the best PPV win-loss record. Lost the Shield feud. Charlotte is far far worse than Reigns. I told a friend of mine a few weeks ago that I was done with Raw if Charlotte won the title back and I am staying true to my word. I stopped the show when Charlotte won and I won't watch Raw tomorrow. I've never gotten to this point with WWE, but they finally got me there. I've refused to watch shows, but I've never full stop quit watching the product, but after 22 years, WWE finally broke me.
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Post by Injustice45 on Dec 19, 2016 1:09:01 GMT -5
Why? Why must this game of Hot Potato continue? I guess WWE wants to ruin the credibility of the Women's Championship by having the same two people just fight for it over and over, and have them in matches for the sake of "making history." Hell in a Cell should've been the conclusion, yet it's just a footnote in "making history." I feel bad for both Sasha and Charlotte.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 19, 2016 1:13:21 GMT -5
By this point, none of these stipulations have any meaning. Something like Hell in the Cell or an Iron Man match should be the big feud ender, where someone finally indisputably comes out on top and vanquishes their foe. Right now there's every reason to think that Sasha will it back again on a Raw. You can't do that seesaw battle almost ten times in less than a calendar year and it have any oomph at all.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 19, 2016 1:28:47 GMT -5
Raw has successfully made people turn on the brightest spots of NXT in not just the women's division, but every division. And have made people turn on pretty much all my favorite wrestlers, or just made them irrecoverable. Sasha, Nia, New Day, even Owens to a degree. I don't know why people forgive this. Smacdown may not be the best thing since slice bread, but this is unforgivable. Raw has made me hate wrestlers I used to love and be indifferent to the rest. This is the saddest thing. Not only is there absolutely no one to root for, the people who used to be the most appreciated talents are having their reputations ground to dust for no reason. It sucks, and honestly, if I was anyone coming up from NXT with any kind of fanbase, I'd be worried about my career and legacy.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 19, 2016 1:33:39 GMT -5
The Jack Parkman chair throw .gif will never get old. Match was fun, still.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 19, 2016 1:35:24 GMT -5
Why was Sashas mouth all bloody towards the end? Probably because of how hard she had to bite her tongue when they told her she was dropping the title to Charlotte 2 seconds before the match ended to submission.
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 19, 2016 1:53:08 GMT -5
Not to be totally contrarian here, but a lot of people on these forums were super pissed about Nikki having such a long title reign. Erego this is the WWE 'course-correcting' and judging by crowd response people dig the Sasha/Charlotte feud who are buying tickets/WWE Network subs.
I imagine people that only watch RAW on USA Network (not ppvs) like Sasha better. If you only have a Network sub and skip the USA shows (why?) you might be a Charlotte-only-fan since she wins every PPV match. This is of course not as simple, but the WWE is basically cross-promoting their Women's division here. Because again, what was going on before with Nikki Bella's Era lost so many fans of Women's wrestling that emulating the NXT model on RAW was the best idea they had to save things.
Trading victories is an established method of building a foundation for a new division like the RAW Women's roster, Sasha and Charlotte (and sometimes Bayley) are the main event, and everyone else is midcard or soon-to-be-main but being protected (from or against a loss/win from another main eventer). If anyone beats Sasha or Charlotte they are instantly 'main event worthy', especially if they are able to put on A+ matches like those two (hopefully minus the gimmicks). So Charlotte's next feud as a 4x champ will drastically elevate whoever gets to be number 1 contender (Emmalina?)
Anyone who fueds with Sasha (a 3x former champ) will have their rep drastically elevated as well (Emmalina?) Bayley being in Sasha/Charlotte/Becky's orbit as a 4 Horsewoman gives her the same status. Basically, and it seems like this is what Sasha and Charlotte were clearly trying to do, the ladies have elected to try to get everyone over but by using a long strategy of having the top get their rub first then use their fire to trickle down to everyone else. Alicia Fox randomly getting squashed by Nia Jax isn't gonna turn heads now, but I'm interested to see how Nia and Sasha's feud would turn out and Jax will be a fairly effective monster heel if she pins The Boss somehow clean.
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Post by kingbookermark on Dec 19, 2016 1:57:40 GMT -5
I like the feud sigh, this poop ain't fun anymore. You guys & gals used to like stuff.
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 19, 2016 2:01:35 GMT -5
Why was Sashas mouth all bloody towards the end? Probably because of how hard she had to bite her tongue when they told her she was dropping the title to Charlotte 2 seconds before the match ended to submission. Looked like the blood was coming from her nose. Judging by how hard Charlotte landed on Sasha's face after the final backstabber (that Sasha couldn't transition into the Bank Statement) Sasha's nose got busted from the impact.
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Post by bearned on Dec 19, 2016 2:09:28 GMT -5
I don't mind that they are trying to convey these two as evenly matched who trade title wins but it would be nice if they actually built the division as a whole. Nobody can really touch them apart from maybe Bayley and they obviously don't view her as ready yet. Jax is still about a year off being good enough too. After that everyone else may as well be non existant.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 19, 2016 2:11:54 GMT -5
I don't mind that they are trying to convey these two as evenly matched who trade title wins but it would be nice if they actually built the division as a whole. Nobody can really touch them apart from maybe Bayley and they obviously don't view her as ready yet. Jax is still about a year off being good enough too. After that everyone else may as well be non existant. They aren't even conveying them as evenly matched though! Sasha is 0-3 in Title defenses against Charlotte. That paints er as a god damn fluke and a choke artist to boot. It has helped neither woman or the title.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Dec 19, 2016 2:13:46 GMT -5
I love a nice slice of cheesecake every once in a while. Now let's say I have a slice of cheesecake every night. I'm going to get sick of it after a couple of nights (and literally sick too but that's not relevant to what I am trying to say). Sasha Banks vs. Charlotte is the cheesecake, it was good once but too much has made me sick.
I'd like to try other foods. In this case foods are the other women on the Raw roster and if you're gonna make an "eat out joke" you can gtfo. Why have cheesecake all the time when I could have lasagna (Bayley), steak (Nia Jax), ice cream (Emma) or a cheeseburger (Alicia Fox)?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Dec 19, 2016 2:30:05 GMT -5
I dig the feud. I don't mind the belt swapping at all as it's a story no other title is doing. I like both women in-ring as long as Sasha isn't killing herself. I liked the match as well.
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