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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 20, 2016 16:52:32 GMT -5
Same thing happened with Beth Phoenix. We laugh then but Cody Rhodes Diva was a soothsayer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 16:53:00 GMT -5
Wanna get people to not like you anymore? Go to TNA. Wanna keep people liking you? Avoid TNA. It's more of not living up to the hype after getting free of the WWE shackles. Cody been underwhelming on the indy circuit even against top notch talent. Maybe he'll get better but so far it's meh. Oh, I'll give ya that. One has to show that they can at least do some of the things they claim that they can do.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 20, 2016 16:57:21 GMT -5
Anyone who says Wade was injury prone is a complete f***ing idiot. Neither of Wade's injuries were his fault and were the result of sloppy choices from Big Show and Swagger that would have injured absolutely anybody. Wade's such a missed opportunity. Such an amazing talent. Should have had a top title run. IMO, he should have gotten the WWE Title back in 2010. I can't agree with that. Barrett was hot garbage in ring back then. He was fine in big multi man matches but any extended singles matches and he was exposed big time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 16:58:41 GMT -5
If there's a bright side, Neville is just Bad News Barrett if he was a foot shorter.
Mini-Wade.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 20, 2016 17:04:50 GMT -5
WWE killing off Barrett's overness was a really chilling indicator of just how petty WWE is, and how if you're not a guy they want to make a star out of, there stands a good chance that nothing will convince them otherwise and if you do get over big, they'll just kneecap you and make you King of the Ring instead. Honestly? I almost wish that it was pure pettiness. It kinda sounds more like incompetence here and writers wanting to get their own shit in. The thing is, we see that guys/gimmicks Vince likes and has confidence in are given freedom on the mic. Top guys like Cena naturally get it, but then also New Day was allowed to do their thing because they were deemed capable and Vince was just glad that the gimmick he was in tears over the rejection of was able to turn it around and redeem themselves. I don't know if that situation changed after they became huge merch movers or not. I think Bray was said to also have freedom. If Barrett was able to cut the bad news promos himself, then the fact that he was then given a total gimmick change--which was reportedly because he was getting too over--and suddenly was shackled to whatever promos were written for him, that reversion is a decent sign they didn't want him to use that freedom to get over again. Same way Cesaro went from super over to not only standing behind Paul Heyman and doing nothing of note while he talked about Lesnar, but they even kept him from using the most over move he had, until people had died down on him a little bit and Vince could go and say that he wasn't connecting with the crowd. Then there's how they handled Zack Ryder's push and the huge thing about Daniel Bryan. I think there's a lot of creative incompetence going on in WWE, but the consistent pattern of people getting over and having the rug yanked out from under them because they weren't supposed to get so over is very telling.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 20, 2016 17:19:59 GMT -5
It's similar to some of the stuff Cody Rhodes said, so naturally, I am awaiting him wrestling elsewhere and people turning on him in a huge way. Wanna get people to not like you anymore? Go to TNA. Wanna keep people liking you? Avoid TNA. People were complaining about him before TNA and saying his indy work was going to be underwhelming and that they hope he doesn't go to a company they like or Japan. If you leave the WWE and criticise them, people will turn on you wherever you end up.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Dec 20, 2016 18:13:12 GMT -5
Barrett's from like, 17 miles from me, so I always pulled for him to do well. I'll always be pissed off at how they squandered him- he wasn't quite ready in 2010 maybe but they just never ever made the most of what they had with him.
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Post by Lazy peon on Dec 20, 2016 18:21:05 GMT -5
That's something that's always really bugged me about the WWE. Despite being a heel, Barrett got over with the crowd doing his Bad News gimmick and instead of capitalizing on it when he was gaining popularity, they basically cut him off at the knees, as if to say that you should only try to get yourself over when we tell you to. Woo woo woo? You know it.
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Post by bootytea on Dec 20, 2016 18:31:22 GMT -5
He was horrible in the ring though.
I wish him well with whatever he chooses to do, but I feel he blew 3 years of guaranteed pay because he has too high an opinion of himself.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 20, 2016 18:36:13 GMT -5
Wanna get people to not like you anymore? Go to TNA. Wanna keep people liking you? Avoid TNA. People were complaining about him before TNA and saying his indy work was going to be underwhelming and that they hope he doesn't go to a company they like or Japan. If you leave the WWE and criticise them, people will turn on you wherever you end up. Not true for the most part. I like people like Chris Hero and Sami Callihan who weren't exactly fond of their time in WWE. Cody's problem was not because he went hard on WWE after he left. His problem was that he said WWE was holding him back from wrestling how he wanted and not letting him be himself. He gets the opportunity to show what he got and he works like he is on Superstars inside of the indies. Same for the former Damien Sandow who proceed to lay an egg in his 1st TNA promo and sucked until reverting back into the character he said he loathed.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 20, 2016 18:58:01 GMT -5
He was horrible in the ring though. I wish him well with whatever he chooses to do, but I feel he blew 3 years of guaranteed pay because he has too high an opinion of himself. I agree he's never been particularly good in the ring. At best I found his in-ring work boring. However, there's nothing wrong with walking away from three years of guaranteed pay if that guaranteed pay has you doing a job you have lost all interest in, too high an opinion of yourself or not. That's how people end up bitter and learning to hate what they do for a living (see: Punk, CM), and no amount of money is worth that.
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Post by King Devitt on Dec 20, 2016 19:05:29 GMT -5
Any other promotion would ride the natural organic wave people get with the crowds. Any other promotion would have ran with Daniel Bryan WAYYYYY the f*** earlier, or Zack Ryder when he was redeeming himself and introducing the WWE to YouTube, and Bad News Barrett had main event written all over it, and they took that away from him.
But here let's force superstars on the audience and take away or stifle the ones getting over.
Any other promotion would get LOLTNA treatment for doing crap like this. And people wonder why I loathe Vince McMahon. He's horrible at his job, making money in spite of himself.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 20, 2016 19:10:20 GMT -5
IMO, he should have gotten the WWE Title back in 2010. I can't agree with that. Barrett was hot garbage in ring back then. He was fine in big multi man matches but any extended singles matches and he was exposed big time. Yeah, what sunk the Nexus run was Wade had multiple absolutely abysmal matches with anyone that was not named John Cena.
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Post by vincecornette on Dec 20, 2016 19:13:16 GMT -5
Really it took him 5-6 years to lose the passion after all the crap he was in? Or 5 years to save enough to be able to quit. Could have taken him 20 years doing a normal 9 to 5 to make the same money. By the sounds of things (reading his twitter bio) he is done with wrestling and wants to do acting or something other than wrestling which is good. Many wrestlers can't see beyond wrestling as a money earner. He has peaked as far as he can in wrestling, no point in going else where for more work and less money. Life is short, try different things. He could make a good career as a TV actor, and I look forward to seeing what he can do. He would make a great Cable in my eyes, he has the jaw and the size. Grey hair would suit hi.
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Post by abjordans on Dec 20, 2016 19:16:47 GMT -5
Necer was a Bartett guy. Not a die hard workrate guy either, but did he ever have a good match in WWE?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 19:18:07 GMT -5
I've never felt bad for Wade and always saw his poor treatment in wwe just karma for him starting his wwe career by leading a rebel faction to destroy wwe,attacking Vince McMahon and GM Bret Hart and then a few years later shooting on Randy Orton during a match and throwing him down a flight of stairs.Maybe if he was a better employee he would have been treated better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 19:20:32 GMT -5
I've never felt bad for Wade and always saw his poor treatment in wwe just karma for him starting his wwe career by leading a rebel faction to destroy wwe,attacking Vince McMahon and GM Bret Hart and then a few years later shooting on Randy Orton during a match and throwing him down a flight of stairs.Maybe if he was a better employee he would have been treated better. You kidding me? I want to find that elevator at the Fieldhouse and bask in glory.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Dec 20, 2016 19:29:45 GMT -5
Barrett's situation reminds me of Sean O'Haire.
People will spend the next few years saying "Boy, did WWE screw that up. Booooooo!" without mentioning how average/bad he was in-ring.
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Post by vincecornette on Dec 20, 2016 19:36:17 GMT -5
Neither Hogan or the Rock were anything special in the ring and they had decent careers. Workrate means very very little in WWE.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 20, 2016 19:38:27 GMT -5
Neither Hogan or the Rock were anything special in the ring and they had decent careers. Workrate means very very little in WWE. Hogan and Rock had the personality to make up for whatever they had lacking in ring. Barrett was nowhere near as charismatic and was WAY worse in the ring. Atleast compared to Rock. At his most over he was pretty bad. The only guy that got a good match out of him then was Cena.
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