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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 19:39:37 GMT -5
If there's a bright side, Neville is just Bad News Barrett if he was a foot shorter. Mini-Wade. Neville better be careful, he might not be around after next week.
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Post by taker1990 on Dec 20, 2016 19:40:40 GMT -5
He comes across sooooo much better than Ryback when taking about similar gripes.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Dec 20, 2016 19:45:21 GMT -5
You don't need workrate at all when you're as great of a promo and character work as Barrett was.
Matches really don't matter when you can absolutely captivate a crowd that much. As long as you're not hurting anybody, who cares? Let the other guy carry the rest of it.
(Although, for the record, I've liked Wade's in-ring work. His unique height/build gave him a pretty unique style. And once he dropped the long-setup for the bullhammer and just started hitting it outta nowhere, it really made his matches exciting)
2014 was Barrett's best in-ring work. Best use of the sudden-knockout style WWE main roster's had this decade, perhaps this side of the millenium.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 20, 2016 19:46:50 GMT -5
Barrett's situation reminds me of Sean O'Haire. People will spend the next few years saying "Boy, did WWE screw that up. Booooooo!" without mentioning how average/bad he was in-ring. Sean was high as a f***ing kite by his 2003/2004 WWE run. That's what people mean when they say "he couldn't do the gimmick live." It's not that the gimmick didn't translate live, it's that he was physically incapable of doing it due to his activities. Look at his WCW work for comparison.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Dec 20, 2016 19:55:12 GMT -5
Barrett's situation reminds me of Sean O'Haire. People will spend the next few years saying "Boy, did WWE screw that up. Booooooo!" without mentioning how average/bad he was in-ring. Sean was high as a f***ing kite by his 2003/2004 WWE run. That's what people mean when they say "he couldn't do the gimmick live." It's not that the gimmick didn't translate live, it's that he was physically incapable of doing it due to his activities. Look at his WCW work for comparison. Yes, that's why I said "reminds me of" and not "is exactly like." The he in " how average/bad he was in the ring" pertains to Barrett.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 20:08:54 GMT -5
Neither Hogan or the Rock were anything special in the ring and they had decent careers. Workrate means very very little in WWE. ARRIBA!
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 20, 2016 20:40:49 GMT -5
Taking away the Bad News gimmick was the one of the dumbest f***ing things ever It really was. A performer got a gimmick over with the crowd to the point that he was getting great reactions in every city, so naturally instead of exploring a face turn, they just took his gimmick away. Can you imagine them strolling up to Curt Hennig in 1990 and being like "This "Mr. Perfect" thing is too over. We're going to stick you in a cape and you don't get to do any more of the schtick that's getting the reactions we don't want."? That's insane.
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Post by No One on Dec 20, 2016 21:01:30 GMT -5
Necer was a Bartett guy. Not a die hard workrate guy either, but did he ever have a good match in WWE? I don't think Necer being a Bartett guy did him any favors. Necer would have been better off on his own.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 20, 2016 21:21:12 GMT -5
Barrett was such a great heel way back when that he was able to get an arena full of fans to unironically chant "let's go, Cena!" when Cena was forced to be a Nexus lackey. Sure, Barrett's in-ring work wasn't setting the world at the time, in the halcyon days of 2010, but his charisma and ability to talk could have carried him through a short WWE title run. By the time his in-ring work improved during the BNB run, his charisma and ability to talk never waned. But injuries, which as mentioned in this thread weren't his fault, slowed down Barrett's momentum.
Top it all of with the usual bullshit about what it's like to work for WWE, I'm not surprised his enthusiasm for wrestling fizzled, but I am disappointed nonetheless that WWE is such a dive of suckage when it comes to all the behind-the-scenes nonsense that someone with the tools to get over, who did get over, wasn't given the ball to keep getting over.
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 20, 2016 21:45:22 GMT -5
I can't agree with that. Barrett was hot garbage in ring back then. He was fine in big multi man matches but any extended singles matches and he was exposed big time. Yeah, what sunk the Nexus run was Wade had multiple absolutely abysmal matches with anyone that was not named John Cena. Most of his matches were perfectly fine, even through NXT. The only ones that were really dreary were the ones with Orton, which seems to be a pattern whenever he's put in the ring with European brawlers.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Dec 20, 2016 21:50:24 GMT -5
I am surprised that they didn't bring him back as a face after Big Show injured him. I mean, it writes itself:
Wade is getting face pops already, seemingly headed for the Money in the Bank win as well. And disaster strikes, and he's hurt.
When he came back, Cena and Show were feuding. People love cheering somebody returning from injury, especially an unfortunately timed one. So Wade obviously wants revenge on a heel Show for costing him a big push.
The crowd cheers Wade's return from injury, they boo Show either out of "go away" heat or otherwise, and you also have Cena there. We all know Cena and Barrett's history.
So you can have Cena and Barrett in an uneasy alliance to take down Show. Having them tag together and so on. And after you have Barrett get his revenge on Show, he can easily turn heel again by laying out Cena and saying he was just using him to take down Show.
Pretty simple story, right. But yeah, they did none of that. And they wonder why people walk. Same reason why anybody leaves a job. Can't take the stupid shit anymore.
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Post by abjordans on Dec 20, 2016 21:51:53 GMT -5
Necer was a Bartett guy. Not a die hard workrate guy either, but did he ever have a good match in WWE? I don't think Necer being a Bartett guy did him any favors. Necer would have been better off on his own. Hahah, never and Barrett. Typing on my phone and I always go with the first draft, baby.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 21, 2016 0:57:31 GMT -5
Barrett's situation reminds me of Sean O'Haire. People will spend the next few years saying "Boy, did WWE screw that up. Booooooo!" without mentioning how average/bad he was in-ring. Sean O'Haire was awesome in the ring though. It was amazing seeing a guy of his size move the way he did and he wasn't bad at promos either. His Devils Advocate character was another missed opportunity.
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 21, 2016 1:11:13 GMT -5
When you look at all the talent that has left in the past 2-3 years (Cody Rhodes, Punk, Wade Barrett, Ryback, ADR twice), it's sad to see guys being squandered like this. All of the guys listed could've/should've been so much bigger and WWE's lack of creativity, foresight, trust, respect, and vision prevented it from happening.
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Post by Renslayer on Dec 21, 2016 1:23:50 GMT -5
WWE takes people who grew up loving wrestling & drains the optimism and fun out of them until they decide to quit. Damn shame too.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 21, 2016 1:39:14 GMT -5
When you look at all the talent that has left in the past 2-3 years (Cody Rhodes, Punk, Wade Barrett, Ryback, ADR twice), it's sad to see guys being squandered like this. All of the guys listed could've/should've been so much bigger and WWE's lack of creativity, foresight, trust, respect, and vision prevented it from happening. Yeah, but Roman Reigns!
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 21, 2016 1:56:32 GMT -5
When you look at all the talent that has left in the past 2-3 years (Cody Rhodes, Punk, Wade Barrett, Ryback, ADR twice), it's sad to see guys being squandered like this. All of the guys listed could've/should've been so much bigger and WWE's lack of creativity, foresight, trust, respect, and vision prevented it from happening. Yeah, but Roman Reigns! He's been squandered arguably as much as anyone, if not more. For all that those guys had been underpushed, the way that Reigns has been overpushed has just left the poor bastard as utterly toxic in anything he does, anyone he fights and even anyone he teams with. He's the living, breathing face of WWE's stubbornness to many.
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Post by Rave on Dec 21, 2016 3:27:47 GMT -5
Wanna get people to not like you anymore? Go to TNA. Wanna keep people liking you? Avoid TNA. You would think the fact that Cody completely played TNA would have endeared him even more. He compounded it by unleashing the horror that was his wife "wrestling" and by joining Bullet Club immediately afterward.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Dec 21, 2016 4:54:16 GMT -5
Barrett's situation reminds me of Sean O'Haire. People will spend the next few years saying "Boy, did WWE screw that up. Booooooo!" without mentioning how average/bad he was in-ring. Sean O'Haire was awesome in the ring though. It was amazing seeing a guy of his size move the way he did and he wasn't bad at promos either. His Devils Advocate character was another missed opportunity. Yes, that's why I said "reminds me of" and not "is exactly like." The he in " how average/bad he was in the ring" pertains to Barrett.
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Post by Woo on Dec 21, 2016 5:40:01 GMT -5
Sean O'Haire was awesome in the ring though. It was amazing seeing a guy of his size move the way he did and he wasn't bad at promos either. His Devils Advocate character was another missed opportunity. Yes, that's why I said "reminds me of" and not "is exactly like." The he in " how average/bad he was in the ring" pertains to Barrett. Yeah it is similar because the WWE wasted Sean O'Haire just like they wasted Wade Barrett. I really hope BNB goes to Lucha Underground. He will have a level of creative freedom and it will allow him to do more acting and I think he could thrive in that company like other former WWE wrestlers like Del Rio, Morrison, Mysterio, 'Zeke Jackson and Justin Gabriel not to mention the people on Tough Enough they didn't pick up like Ivelisse, Son of Havok and Marty the Moth Martinez.
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