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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 8, 2017 23:21:20 GMT -5
End actually said this earlier this month. Check his Twitter. I never even knew that End had said this. While that is a dick move on his part, he's also a talented guy who's garnered a following in the IWC over a nearly 15 year career, so they're a lot less likely to go after him than they are some Tough Enough reject who already seemed to have anger issues, as shown by his outburst against ZZ. Still doesn't change his views about criticisms from non wrestling fans. It's like Hogan and his exposed racism outbursts. Do Hogan earn a pass because he has black friends and is a household name & legend in pro wrestling? No. So if you going HAM on Clark, End earned the same scorn.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jan 8, 2017 23:22:56 GMT -5
I never even knew that End had said this. While that is a dick move on his part, he's also a talented guy who's garnered a following in the IWC over a nearly 15 year career, so they're a lot less likely to go after him than they are some Tough Enough reject who already seemed to have anger issues, as shown by his outburst against ZZ. Still doesn't change his views about criticisms from non wrestling fans. It's like Hogan and his exposed racism outbursts. Do Hogan earn a pass because he has black friends and is a household name & legend in pro wrestling? No. So if you going HAM on Clark, End earned the same scorn. Yeah, I agree with you. Just saying that's why even though he said that last month, they haven't seemed to have done anything to reprimand him, or at least not that we know of.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 8, 2017 23:29:22 GMT -5
No, more like End said his shit while not employed by WWE so it not posted on the busiest board here and went unheard by the vast majority of people here. End actually said this earlier this month. Check his Twitter. His is broken into multiple tweets and he explains himself far better than the Chappelle Show wannabe. I feel my point still stands but if you want to credit it to a failed gimmick and not exposure over multiple WWE TV shows over the course of several years, go ahead. Maybe if someone liked End enough or was upset enough by End's comments brought them to the board there would have been the same outrage. Either way the vibe I am getting from this is not one I like.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 8, 2017 23:31:08 GMT -5
Still doesn't change his views about criticisms from non wrestling fans. It's like Hogan and his exposed racism outbursts. Do Hogan earn a pass because he has black friends and is a household name & legend in pro wrestling? No. So if you going HAM on Clark, End earned the same scorn. Yeah, I agree with you. Just saying that's why even though he said that last month, they haven't seemed to have done anything to reprimand him, or at least not that we know of. Probably because they agree with him. We want to think that most wrestlers aren't dicks and assholes when it comes to their feelings about fans. But deep down, we know they hate that when people who never done wrestling telling them how to do their job. I know I didn't like people who didn't work construction telling me how my job at the time wasn't stressful and dangerous. Wrestlers are the same when it comes to certain things. Doesn't mean I got take their criticisms in silence.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 8, 2017 23:38:46 GMT -5
End actually said this earlier this month. Check his Twitter. His is broken into multiple tweets and he explains himself far better than the Chappelle Show wannabe. I feel my point still stands but if you want to credit it to a failed gimmick and not exposure over multiple WWE TV shows over the course of several years, go ahead. Maybe if someone liked End enough or was upset enough by End's comments brought them to the board there would have been the same outrage. Either way the vibe I am getting from this is not one I like. My point is that Clark is a easier target because of the lame gimmick and newness. But both share the same feelings about the same subject. Someone on FAN did talk about End's comment in a thread on the board this week. It went less than 3 posts before forgotten.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 8, 2017 23:44:17 GMT -5
When it comes to the issue of "Your opinion doesn't matter because you've never done it before", I feel like it's a little narrow-minded. If someone's building a house and it's clearly lopsided or deformed, I don't need to know how to build a house to say something about your performance; you didn't do a good job.
To apply this to wrestling, if a face gets booed consistently (not naming names *ahem*), I don't need to be a promoter or wrestler to comment on how he's not working out as a face. Or if someone applies a submission hold and it looks awful, I don't need to know how to apply a Sharpshooter to comment on how it looks awful. Yes, it's all opinion. Yes, everyone has their own views and perspectives. But you can't invalidate someone's opinion on your work just because they themselves haven't done it; when something doesn't seem right, it doesn't seem right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 23:44:25 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler is now happy that he is no longer number one on FAN's shit list. What I find weird is that the former Tommy End made similar statements about fan criticisms and not much of a peep. Patrick Clark does it and it goes multiple pages. Guess the half ass Prince gimmick makes it easier to go in on him. It's also because he was on Tough Enough where he had everyone literally turn on him when became all about DIZ BUSINESS and got voted out. Or tried a Donald Trump fanboy gimmick and did a pretty bad Prince gimmick just a few months after he passed. Also I have never heard of Tommy End before and I'm sure many people here have no idea who he is. But I do feel like we always tend to overreact and blow things up into proportion. But outside of bad spelling and bad grammar, guy isn't saying anything controversial or anything that hasn't been said here before. Like how many heated multi page threads have we had about NXT Takeover crowds or Raw after Wrestlemania crowds being too rowdy and obnoxious or self serving pricks who are more interested in hijacking the show? Or how often we post about being sick and tired of the endless bitching on WWE Current and how fans continue hate watching the show and spend a majority of there free time posting about. Like I always found it weird the stigma wrestlers have when they share or discuss popular negative opinions that fans have. Like they are usually labelled as either being bitter or attention seekers or unprofessional and every other negative name in the book.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 8, 2017 23:49:10 GMT -5
You did it, Patrick. You fixed wrestling forever. You taught all those shitstain paying customers a lesson. Good for you.
He probably felt super cool when he posted his ultimate edgy tweet.
Such a super cool guy, so edgy and cool.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Jan 8, 2017 23:54:04 GMT -5
Yeah, start been ENTERTAINED by stUff U don't find entertaining U stUpid idiots
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 8, 2017 23:54:17 GMT -5
At least I got to see Oney Lorcan uppercut this guy into next week before he gets canned. *shrug* I got to see him team with Lorcan. They must have really bonded over Oney getting whipped with a headband while Australia chanted Fight Forever at such an amazing spectacle.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 9, 2017 0:00:35 GMT -5
Tommy End deleted his twitter, so at least he's a self aware dick.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 9, 2017 0:23:09 GMT -5
Tommy End deleted his twitter, so at least he's a self aware dick. No he didn't, using his WWE name now: twitter.com/WWEAleister
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 9, 2017 0:40:37 GMT -5
Patrick Clark for those who do not know Less like Prince, more like Kmart Orlando Jordan. Yikes.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 9, 2017 13:59:37 GMT -5
Only if some dude with a Johnny Marr gimmick tosses him into the ocean.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 9, 2017 14:14:39 GMT -5
Thing too is, and I'm not criticizing how he got there or anything like that, but Patrick actually was a fan 2 years ago. Like, I think you could tone it down with the "Fans are ingrates!" stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 14:19:54 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler is now happy that he is no longer number one on FAN's shit list. What I find weird is that the former Tommy End made similar statements about fan criticisms and not much of a peep. Patrick Clark does it and it goes multiple pages. Guess the half ass Prince gimmick makes it easier to go in on him. Also, to most WWE fans, Tommy's less of a known quantity. We've already seen this Clark dude apparently act a fool on Tough Enough, then to sit through two really shitty gimmicks that never got over....yeah, it's easier to crack on him, than this dude that just walked through the door. Also, the bigger success you are, the more freedom you get for controversy or bad behavior. Most people claim they want accountability for everybody, but as the adage goes, "People Make Excises for the Stars & Examples for the Scrubs". I keep going back to the Jeremy Clark fiasco; the difference between those who wanted him acquitted versus those who wanted him punished for being a jerk was over 1,000 to 1. Neither guy deserves slack but because one is a certified failure, its much easier to lash against, apparently.
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Post by Long A, Short A on Jan 9, 2017 16:23:57 GMT -5
Patrick Clark for those who do not know Less like Prince, more like Kmart Orlando Jordan. Yikes. You do know most K-marts are....oh, I'm picking up what you're putting down.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 9, 2017 16:33:19 GMT -5
Also, to most WWE fans, Tommy's less of a known quantity. We've already seen this Clark dude apparently act a fool on Tough Enough, then to sit through two really shitty gimmicks that never got over....yeah, it's easier to crack on him, than this dude that just walked through the door. Also, the bigger success you are, the more freedom you get for controversy or bad behavior. Most people claim they want accountability for everybody, but as the adage goes, "People Make Excises for the Stars & Examples for the Scrubs". I keep going back to the Jeremy Clark fiasco; the difference between those who wanted him acquitted versus those who wanted him punished for being a jerk was over 1,000 to 1. Neither guy deserves slack but because one is a certified failure, its much easier to lash against, apparently. Not that his comments have earned him any goodwill, but damn, Clark hasn't been around nearly long enough to be a "certified failure" yet.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 9, 2017 16:35:08 GMT -5
Patrick Clark for those who do not know So he's the NXT equivalent of Orlando Jordan? No, Orlando Jordan is a legitimate bisexual who thought his gimmick was going to help people have the courage to come out (?) Though I'll credit him with the later toned down face gimmick where he just had a crush on EY and didn't stalk him was pretty OK. Patrick Clark just heard who Prince was after he died and decided this was where he'd piggyback his fame.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2017 16:36:14 GMT -5
So he's the NXT equivalent of Orlando Jordan? No, Orlando Jordan is a legitimate bisexual who thought his gimmick was going to help people have the courage to come out (?) Though I'll credit him with the later toned down face gimmick where he just had a crush on EY and didn't stalk him was pretty OK. Patrick Clark just heard who Prince was after he died and decided this was where he'd piggyback his fame. Did he pitch this gimmick?
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