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Post by lokithemadtitan on Oct 4, 2017 0:46:06 GMT -5
Then why's he working any indie? A lot of Indies pay different. CHIKARA is well known for being cheap on pay. Hence why people leave. yes that was point. we know quack only offers guys $50 if he gives them anything at all. page will make way more elsewhere which is clearly why he would even include that in his video.  |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 4, 2017 1:44:27 GMT -5
A lot of Indies pay different. CHIKARA is well known for being cheap on pay. Hence why people leave. yes that was point. we know quack only offers guys $50 if he gives them anything at all. page will make way more elsewhere which is clearly why he would even include that in his video. Quack got by on a fledgling Indy Scene and Loyalty for years. After the Shut Down, people found work elsewhere. With new Indies popping up with better promoters and better pay, a ton of workers are realizing "Hey we dont need to take this anymore", and they bounce. There are rumors Quacks been training people at a weaker rate than previous classes out of fear that they will leave to better bookings, or even use gimmicks and get over outside CHIKARA. Like some already are. And that got him and the company under scrutiny for trademarking Jervis Cottonbelly. The weakness to that is if true, a weaker rate means these wrestlers are green as shit and it's shown in the crop of matches this year with the rookie talent, a lot of mistakes, a lot of sloppy work... The Shutdown Angle hurt in more ways when you really think about it. In 2012 CHIKARA was getting as big as it was because it was drawing a ton of fans and intrigue and it became a passion project that many could agree wasn't about the money but about the journey they were memorably making that was gaining quite the acclaim. At its peak, it was the PWG of the East Coast. Smaller Venues, Smaller Crowds, but action and wrestlers that would leave you talking after you saw them, where some of the most premiere talent would come to show off their talent. After it, they lost all the momentum they gained, and now we're here. CHIKARA is no longer a company of passion and dedication, and the cracks are prominent. Quack pays King of Trios Talent and Special Guests. That's about it. Anyone who will work for cheap and wants the "Exposure" CHIKARA can still provide, also will take it, so young up and coming stars not many have discovered yet. Trainees are paid off the fact they're there, and should be honored to work there. But instead of working up the ranks and maybe getting better pay in CHIKARA there doesn't seem to be a system just a rut. Hence, why so many have left and continue to leave for greener pastures. And not just wrestlers but plenty of Staff as well. They wouldn't care as much if CHIKARA was still what it was, and Quack was easier to handle, but it isn't, and he isn't, and CHIKARA by all accounts, is a fast fizzling company that seemingly is only brought up anymore mainstream wise in sadness or other wrestlers/fans contempt. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 4, 2017 7:44:14 GMT -5
Hey guys, I haven't been able to follow much CHIKARA lately due to things like a new 9-5 job, getting married and the G1 Climax taking up a lot of my time. Whats the deal with Silver Ant? Is he done? I'm confused about what's happening with him. No one knows. His character was crippled and probably retired by Frightmare (along with Bullet Ant and Worker Ant). It's resulted in a pretty hot feud between Frightmare and Fire Ant with some really good matches, but lots of people are pretty nonplussed about it, especially a solid hand like Silver Ant suddenly being gone. He's been on WWE's radar for awhile due to his work with Gabe and in the Midwest. Wouldn't shock me if he's focusing on his other persona per WWE's requet. This too. Now to be fair, I thought the year after the shutout was pretty good, but then it became quite clear that CHIKARA lost a lot of it's luster. Have to remember when CHIKARA shut down the only indies that mattered were them, PWG, ROH, CZW, and EVOLVE (and EVOLVE was really struggling at the time). Even when they came back that was the case but in the last couple of years the quality of good places to work in the indies has dramatically changed. Now instead of just 4 quality places to work you also have AIW, AAW, WrestleCircus,DEFY, Pro Wrestling Revolver, Rockstar Pro Wrestling, House of Glory, PWX, Beyond, CWFH, and Freelance Pro Wrestling. I'm sure there's more I forgot in the US and that doesn't include the resurgence that Canada has had in their indies (and CHIKARA relied heavily on Canadian talent for awhile) or the UK. So while the rest of the Indy scene has grown and adapted CHIKARA has not... and in a lot of ways, it's actually regressed not just in talent but how it's presented. Even the WrestleFactory has taken a hit. While still a great school, there are more schools out there now that provide great training and aren't nearly as expensive. Also doesn't help that there are several former employees out there (including Kevin Condron) who have put Quack on blast for how he runs the company. |
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Post by theaman44 on Oct 4, 2017 9:59:48 GMT -5
Eddie Kingston is done with Impact. Any chance he pops up before the end of the season?
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 4, 2017 11:59:29 GMT -5
Eddie Kingston is done with Impact. Any chance he pops up before the end of the season? That or follow up on the WWE Tryout since he apparently got high marks. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 4, 2017 12:57:50 GMT -5
There are rumors Quacks been training people at a weaker rate than previous classes out of fear that they will leave to better bookings, or even use gimmicks and get over outside CHIKARA. Like some already are. Oh, give me a break. This is the weird thing to me. It isn't just criticizing the booking or the matches or even Quack's personality. It's that some people kept the same investment in Chikara, just it's negative now instead of positive. Of COURSE you're going to have bad buzz if people are literally spreading rumors that the dude is sabotaging his own product out of paranoia and malice. Other places, people just stop watching if they don't like the stuff they're watching. Chikara gets "The shutdown happened because Quack cheated on his wife." I don't get it. |
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Post by EyeofTyr on Oct 4, 2017 15:54:43 GMT -5
On the topic of Quack and CHIKARA, to me it will always be telling that to paraphrase the words of a once wise man said to Vince McMahon on his private plane.
You took somebody that was incredibly passionate for pro-wrestling, for your company, who would've died for it and you drove them away.
While that could apply to a lot of talent CHIKARA has had over the years, the one I'm talking about is Tim freaking Donst. The class act he is too, he's never put Quack or CHIKARA on blast about it. He's tried to be diplomatic about it. But anyone that's seen Donst tweet about CHIKARA or his time in CHIKARA alone after he left the company can tell that they did wrong by him. Which is baffling to me when he was one of their hottest acts and best talents, and could've & should've carried that company.
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Post by lokithemadtitan on Oct 4, 2017 18:55:22 GMT -5
Eddie Kingston is done with Impact. Any chance he pops up before the end of the season? i asked the same question a couple pages back but no one responded. i would love kingston back for 2 reasons. better match quality and he always brings the aura of anything can happen which make his matches must see. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 4, 2017 19:33:38 GMT -5
There are rumors Quacks been training people at a weaker rate than previous classes out of fear that they will leave to better bookings, or even use gimmicks and get over outside CHIKARA. Like some already are. Oh, give me a break. This is the weird thing to me. It isn't just criticizing the booking or the matches or even Quack's personality. It's that some people kept the same investment in Chikara, just it's negative now instead of positive. Of COURSE you're going to have bad buzz if people are literally spreading rumors that the dude is sabotaging his own product out of paranoia and malice. Other places, people just stop watching if they don't like the stuff they're watching. Chikara gets "The shutdown happened because Quack cheated on his wife." I don't get it. You get super defensive about CHIKARA, I understand if you still like it, but I just say what's spread around, true or not. And even if it isnt true you cant deny these rookies have been thrust into almost an impossible situation, where half of them don't really look that ready. |
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Post by funakifan88 on Oct 5, 2017 11:55:27 GMT -5
Eddie Kingston is done with Impact. Any chance he pops up before the end of the season? Ordinarily I'd say no but CHIKARA's twitter account did retweet him when he said he was open for bookings so.... |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 5, 2017 11:58:38 GMT -5
Eddie Kingston is done with Impact. Any chance he pops up before the end of the season? Ordinarily I'd say no but CHIKARA's twitter account did retweet him when he said he was open for bookings so.... Honestly I'm not opposed to it but man I want him in the WWE. His Mic work is invaluable and he's still a great worker... in this state of CHIKARA I fear how he'd be booked. |
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Oct 5, 2017 12:28:12 GMT -5
Eddie Kingston is done with Impact. Any chance he pops up before the end of the season? Ordinarily I'd say no but CHIKARA's twitter account did retweet him when he said he was open for bookings so.... Kingston is still on good terms with them. I'd be surprised if they paid to bring him up from Florida. I don't think it would happen based on all the cutbacks that were made. Most of the guys that have been left go in recent years were people that weren't local. |
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 5, 2017 12:29:46 GMT -5
Ordinarily I'd say no but CHIKARA's twitter account did retweet him when he said he was open for bookings so.... Honestly I'm not opposed to it but man I want him in the WWE. His Mic work is invaluable and he's still a great worker... in this state of CHIKARA I fear how he'd be booked. My thing with that is...I think that Quack's the only guy that knows how to keep Kingston on a leash. Everywhere else he goes, he just vanishes, or straight up burns a bridge on the way out. I worry about how Kingston would react in the WWE environment. |
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Post by EyeofTyr on Oct 5, 2017 12:31:03 GMT -5
I'm honestly good on Kingston not coming back.
Eddie was still a world class talent in the ring, but his last few years with the company didn't quite have the bite to them that his presence had previously both in promos and in storylines. He kind of just floated around in nothing storylines. Admittedly some of that was due to people leaving, I realize. But it doesn't change the fact that the Eddie Kingston that feuded with Lince Dorado or Chris Hero or even Claudio was not the Eddie Kingston we had in the last year of him being in CHIKARA.
Which is really a shame too, because it all sort of fell apart after he lost the title even though they had a ready made story there that they teased a whole lot.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 5, 2017 12:53:57 GMT -5
Oh, give me a break. This is the weird thing to me. It isn't just criticizing the booking or the matches or even Quack's personality. It's that some people kept the same investment in Chikara, just it's negative now instead of positive. Of COURSE you're going to have bad buzz if people are literally spreading rumors that the dude is sabotaging his own product out of paranoia and malice. Other places, people just stop watching if they don't like the stuff they're watching. Chikara gets "The shutdown happened because Quack cheated on his wife." I don't get it. You get super defensive about CHIKARA, I understand if you still like it, but I just say what's spread around, true or not. And even if it isnt true you cant deny these rookies have been thrust into almost an impossible situation, where half of them don't really look that ready. Dude, could you not frame my motivations as defensiveness? That's dismissive in a way that isn't fair. It's not "defensiveness" to think that particular rumor is ludicrous. As you say, it's much more likely the trainees are super green. And Chikara's never been known for fantastic in-ring action, anyway. Is Hermit Crab any worse in the ring than, say, CombatAnt was? |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 5, 2017 12:57:03 GMT -5
You get super defensive about CHIKARA, I understand if you still like it, but I just say what's spread around, true or not. And even if it isnt true you cant deny these rookies have been thrust into almost an impossible situation, where half of them don't really look that ready. Dude, could you not frame my motivations as defensiveness? That's dismissive in a way that isn't fair. It's not "defensiveness" to think that particular rumor is ludicrous. As you say, it's much more likely the trainees are super green. And Chikara's never been known for fantastic in-ring action, anyway. Is Hermit Crab any worse in the ring than, say, CombatAnt was? CombatAnt wasn't WrestleFactory so bad example, dude was a wrestler based out of New York, same promotion as Shard, they were a tag team. Crab as far as I know is from the factory, so yes, off that comparison, it does look bad. Some of these rookies have a workrate of 05 CHIKARA, like The Sharecropper, that's not a good thing. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 5, 2017 12:58:13 GMT -5
Honestly I'm not opposed to it but man I want him in the WWE. His Mic work is invaluable and he's still a great worker... in this state of CHIKARA I fear how he'd be booked. My thing with that is...I think that Quack's the only guy that knows how to keep Kingston on a leash. Everywhere else he goes, he just vanishes, or straight up burns a bridge on the way out. I worry about how Kingston would react in the WWE environment. I dont know, I just heard his Tryout went well so there's that. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 5, 2017 13:08:10 GMT -5
Dude, could you not frame my motivations as defensiveness? That's dismissive in a way that isn't fair. It's not "defensiveness" to think that particular rumor is ludicrous. As you say, it's much more likely the trainees are super green. And Chikara's never been known for fantastic in-ring action, anyway. Is Hermit Crab any worse in the ring than, say, CombatAnt was? CombatAnt wasn't WrestleFactory so bad example, dude was a wrestler based out of New York, same promotion as Shard, they were a tag team. Crab as far as I know is from the factory, so yes, off that comparison, it does look bad. Some of these rookies have a workrate of 05 CHIKARA, like The Sharecropper, that's not a good thing. I'm honestly not even sure what you're arguing for right now. Some of the rookies are obviously very green, yes. That does not give evidence to the idea that Quackenbush is deliberately training them badly so they won't leave, or that you'd have to be unreasonably defensive of Chikara to think that idea was stupid. |
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Post by lildude8218 on Oct 5, 2017 15:59:41 GMT -5
Dude, could you not frame my motivations as defensiveness? That's dismissive in a way that isn't fair. It's not "defensiveness" to think that particular rumor is ludicrous. As you say, it's much more likely the trainees are super green. And Chikara's never been known for fantastic in-ring action, anyway. Is Hermit Crab any worse in the ring than, say, CombatAnt was? CombatAnt wasn't WrestleFactory so bad example, dude was a wrestler based out of New York, same promotion as Shard, they were a tag team. Is he secretly a Beaver? |
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Post by lildude8218 on Oct 5, 2017 16:11:25 GMT -5
Also, am I crazy for wanting to see Eddie do a couple of shots in PWG? I'd kinda like to see him go up against the likes of Jeff Cobb or Keith Lee
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