Wonder Woman and Justice League movies: "Disasters".

[Ultimo Gallos]

Jan 15, 2017 23:23:36 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Jan 15, 2017 22:36:19 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

They already did that. Geoff Johns has been in charge of DC Films for a while now. The Flash will be the first film made under his control.

Yeah, they put him in charge midway through though... instead of being the guy from the start...

That said Geoff was one of the reasons Green Lantern turned out the way it did... and pretty sure he was the one that demanded Parallax was in it... so basically the man that decided to stick 3 movies into one...

Just more proof to me that Geoff is an over-rated hack that has somehow convinced a segment of the fandom that he is some amazing writer.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Jan 17, 2017 15:04:20 GMT -5 Ultimo Gallos said:

Jan 15, 2017 23:23:36 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Yeah, they put him in charge midway through though... instead of being the guy from the start...

That said Geoff was one of the reasons Green Lantern turned out the way it did... and pretty sure he was the one that demanded Parallax was in it... so basically the man that decided to stick 3 movies into one...

Just more proof to me that Geoff is an over-rated hack that has somehow convinced a segment of the fandom that he is some amazing writer.

Geoff can be good.

But he does seem to rely heavily on retcons most of the time for no real reason...


the fact that he is in basically working with his own toys in a seperate playground he might be alright...

[Ultimo Gallos]

Jan 17, 2017 15:11:11 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Jan 17, 2017 15:04:20 GMT -5 Ultimo Gallos said:

Just more proof to me that Geoff is an over-rated hack that has somehow convinced a segment of the fandom that he is some amazing writer.

Geoff can be good.

But he does seem to rely heavily on retcons most of the time for no real reason...


the fact that he is in basically working with his own toys in a seperate playground he might be alright...

The issue with Johns and lots of modern comic writers is all they have read is comics. So they bring nothing new to the table. But this has been a major issue since the early 90s.

[héad.casé]

I really, really don't want this to be real. I really liked all movies in this extended universe so far. Not saying they didn't have flaws, but I didn't hate them anywhere near as much as most people do. So as a guy who loves and grew up with these DC characters, hearing stuff like this breaks my heart. I went through this the week before Batman v Superman. Was so psyched, but started reading the early pre-release reviews and it got me on a downer thinking that something i'd waited so long for was going to suck. I can't do that again, so i've decided the week before Wonder Woman and Justice League, i'm going in dark. No non-spoiler reviews, i'm gonna try to stay as hyped as I can.

[Kevin Hamilton]

Geoff's really good in some cases: his Flash work was stellar, as was his JSA work.

Don't know that that'll even translate to his film work at all.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

Jan 17, 2017 15:14:29 GMT -5 Ultimo Gallos said:

Jan 17, 2017 15:11:11 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Geoff can be good.

But he does seem to rely heavily on retcons most of the time for no real reason...


the fact that he is in basically working with his own toys in a seperate playground he might be alright...

The issue with Johns and lots of modern comic writers is all they have read is comics. So they bring nothing new to the table. But this has been a major issue since the early 90s.

sure, if all you read is superhero comics

[The Heartbreak TWERK]

Jan 17, 2017 15:11:11 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Geoff can be good.

But he does seem to rely heavily on retcons most of the time for no real reason...


the fact that he is in basically working with his own toys in a seperate playground he might be alright...

Fantastic, then he can retcon this f***ing mess.

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Jan 17, 2017 16:47:29 GMT -5 The Heartbreak TWERK said:

Jan 17, 2017 15:11:11 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Geoff can be good.

But he does seem to rely heavily on retcons most of the time for no real reason...


the fact that he is in basically working with his own toys in a seperate playground he might be alright...

Fantastic, then he can retcon this f***ing mess.

I'm sure if he does it'll somehow turn out the whole time everything good has been getting done by Black Adam and Sinestro. He's good at that.

[The Heartbreak TWERK]

Jan 17, 2017 16:54:49 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Jan 17, 2017 16:47:29 GMT -5 The Heartbreak TWERK said:

Fantastic, then he can retcon this f***ing mess.

I'm sure if he does it'll somehow turn out the whole time everything good has been getting done by Black Adam and Sinestro. He's good at that.

Listen man, when Black Adam pokes out Zack Snyder's eyes from the back of his head, I'm first in line for a ticket.

[Kevin Hamilton]

Especially since it'll be The Rock doin the eye pokin.

[BlackoutCreature]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Geoff Johns is an excellent comic book writer who seems intent on writing stories I don't want to read about characters I don't care about. His fanboyism gets in the way of his better judgment a lot of times.

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Jan 17, 2017 15:04:20 GMT -5 Ultimo Gallos said:

Jan 15, 2017 23:23:36 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Yeah, they put him in charge midway through though... instead of being the guy from the start...

That said Geoff was one of the reasons Green Lantern turned out the way it did... and pretty sure he was the one that demanded Parallax was in it... so basically the man that decided to stick 3 movies into one...

Just more proof to me that Geoff is an over-rated hack that has somehow convinced a segment of the fandom that he is some amazing writer.

The fact that he was involved in a shitty movie has nothing to do with his quality of work as a comic book writer.

That's like saying CM Punk is an overrated pro wrestler because he got his ass kicked in MMA.

[Bob Schlapowitz]

Jan 17, 2017 16:31:41 GMT -5 héad.casé said:

I really, really don't want this to be real. I really liked all movies in this extended universe so far. Not saying they didn't have flaws, but I didn't hate them anywhere near as much as most people do. So as a guy who loves and grew up with these DC characters, hearing stuff like this breaks my heart. I went through this the week before Batman v Superman. Was so psyched, but started reading the early pre-release reviews and it got me on a downer thinking that something i'd waited so long for was going to suck. I can't do that again, so i've decided the week before Wonder Woman and Justice League, i'm going in dark. No non-spoiler reviews, i'm gonna try to stay as hyped as I can.

I'm with you, Bud.

[Ultimo Gallos]

Jan 17, 2017 16:41:59 GMT -5 Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! said:

Jan 17, 2017 15:14:29 GMT -5 Ultimo Gallos said:

The issue with Johns and lots of modern comic writers is all they have read is comics. So they bring nothing new to the table. But this has been a major issue since the early 90s.

sure, if all you read is superhero comics

That is why I read almost no superhero comics.Let me find my pull list.

Archie
Archie
Jughead
Afterlife with Archie
Chilling Adventures of Sabrina
Black Hood-This could be considered a superhero book.

Avatar
Crossed +100

Fantagraphics
Hip Hop Family tree

Image
The Walking Dead

Marvel
Dr Strange-I guess this is a superhero book.
Old Man Logan-Same as Doctor Strange.

I just realized in the late 90s that most of the superhero books from the big two were being written by people that only read comics. So you just kept getting rehashed versions of stories from the writer's childhood.

And yes I know I am in the minority when it comes to comic fans. I don't give a crap about almost everything DC or Marvel puts out.I do try out some titles from both every few years. But quickly see why I gave up on them and go back to non-cape stuff.

Another factor might be I started reading superhero based comics in the late 70s and read them constantly until the mid 90s before taking a break.

[Ultimo Gallos]

Jan 17, 2017 18:39:48 GMT -5 @therealoblivion said:

Jan 17, 2017 15:04:20 GMT -5 Ultimo Gallos said:

Just more proof to me that Geoff is an over-rated hack that has somehow convinced a segment of the fandom that he is some amazing writer.

The fact that he was involved in a shitty movie has nothing to do with his quality of work as a comic book writer.

That's like saying CM Punk is an overrated pro wrestler because he got his ass kicked in MMA.

He has also been involved in lots of shitty comics.Like Blackest night. I heard how great it was. Got a great deal on the hardcover. Read it once and "Lets see take an idea that has been around for years. Plug in as many characters as we can to maximize sales and pad it out so we can sell an over priced hardcover of it."

What sucks is while Geoff is getting all this praise great talents like Bill Mantlo are almost unknown. Hell it took Steve Gerber dying to finally get him half the respect and acclaim he deserved.

And for shits and giggles here is my top 5 writers in comics.

5.Garth Ennis-Anything Garth writes I am gonna check it out. Sure he has some misfires. But most of the time he is good to great.
4.Jason Aaron-Has proven to me he can write any genre. Scalped was amazing,Southern Bastards perfectly captures what it is like to live in a tiny southern town where High School Football is king. And his work on Dr Strange and Marvel's Star Wars title is good.
3.Peter Bagge-If all he ever did was Hate he would still be on this list. He perfectly captured,in the 30 issues of Hate,how it was to be a late teen/early 20 year old in the early to mid 90s.
2.Frank Miller-Sure he is nutty. But honestly the stuff people gripe about in his more recent comics has always been there. Just people didn't notice it. The only bad stuff from him I have read was his Spawn stuff and Holy Terror.
1-TIE

Alan Moore-I have now read almost every thing Moore has done in the comic industry. Sure he is a crazy old man. But he proved to me with his run on Crossed +100 he still has it.
Steve Gerber-If all he ever did was Howard the Duck he would still be #1 on my list. But then factor in all the other stuff he did,with his run on the Defenders being amazing,and you got one of the most under-rated comic writers I have ever read.

One thing about everyone on my list,all of them read more than just comics.

As far as this new DC movie Universe,the only film I have seen all of is Suicide Squad. Which was Ok at best. I do want to watch Batman v Superman,I am eagerly awaiting Wonder WOman and Affleck's Batman film. But it is gonna be hard for DC to top Marvel films like Cap 1 and 2 and Dr Strange.

[Joe Neglia]

Jan 16, 2017 0:55:06 GMT -5 Juice said:

You have a point but I would argue very seriously against Green Lantern not being dark. He was the poster child for gritty stories about race equality and social commentary no one else was going near. But thats not silver age and frankly jo jero books were dark at that period mainly just other stuff like horror compilations.

Not to mention his book in the '70s is what started Speedy going on the drug addiction route.

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Jan 17, 2017 19:40:27 GMT -5 Ultimo Gallos said:

Jan 17, 2017 18:39:48 GMT -5 @therealoblivion said:

The fact that he was involved in a shitty movie has nothing to do with his quality of work as a comic book writer.

That's like saying CM Punk is an overrated pro wrestler because he got his ass kicked in MMA.

He has also been involved in lots of shitty comics.Like Blackest night. I heard how great it was. Got a great deal on the hardcover. Read it once and "Lets see take an idea that has been around for years. Plug in as many characters as we can to maximize sales and pad it out so we can sell an over priced hardcover of it."

What sucks is while Geoff is getting all this praise great talents like Bill Mantlo are almost unknown. Hell it took Steve Gerber dying to finally get him half the respect and acclaim he deserved.

And for shits and giggles here is my top 5 writers in comics.

5.Garth Ennis-Anything Garth writes I am gonna check it out. Sure he has some misfires. But most of the time he is good to great.
4.Jason Aaron-Has proven to me he can write any genre. Scalped was amazing,Southern Bastards perfectly captures what it is like to live in a tiny southern town where High School Football is king. And his work on Dr Strange and Marvel's Star Wars title is good.
3.Peter Bagge-If all he ever did was Hate he would still be on this list. He perfectly captured,in the 30 issues of Hate,how it was to be a late teen/early 20 year old in the early to mid 90s.
2.Frank Miller-Sure he is nutty. But honestly the stuff people gripe about in his more recent comics has always been there. Just people didn't notice it. The only bad stuff from him I have read was his Spawn stuff and Holy Terror.
1-TIE

Alan Moore-I have now read almost every thing Moore has done in the comic industry. Sure he is a crazy old man. But he proved to me with his run on Crossed +100 he still has it.
Steve Gerber-If all he ever did was Howard the Duck he would still be #1 on my list. But then factor in all the other stuff he did,with his run on the Defenders being amazing,and you got one of the most under-rated comic writers I have ever read.

One thing about everyone on my list,all of them read more than just comics.

As far as this new DC movie Universe,the only film I have seen all of is Suicide Squad. Which was Ok at best. I do want to watch Batman v Superman,I am eagerly awaiting Wonder WOman and Affleck's Batman film. But it is gonna be hard for DC to top Marvel films like Cap 1 and 2 and Dr Strange.

And it's perfectly okay that you don't like his comics. I still don't see what the quality of his comic book writing has to do with his film career.

[Ultimo Gallos]

Jan 17, 2017 19:57:47 GMT -5 @therealoblivion said:

Jan 17, 2017 19:40:27 GMT -5 Ultimo Gallos said:

He has also been involved in lots of shitty comics.Like Blackest night. I heard how great it was. Got a great deal on the hardcover. Read it once and "Lets see take an idea that has been around for years. Plug in as many characters as we can to maximize sales and pad it out so we can sell an over priced hardcover of it."

What sucks is while Geoff is getting all this praise great talents like Bill Mantlo are almost unknown. Hell it took Steve Gerber dying to finally get him half the respect and acclaim he deserved.

And for shits and giggles here is my top 5 writers in comics.

5.Garth Ennis-Anything Garth writes I am gonna check it out. Sure he has some misfires. But most of the time he is good to great.
4.Jason Aaron-Has proven to me he can write any genre. Scalped was amazing,Southern Bastards perfectly captures what it is like to live in a tiny southern town where High School Football is king. And his work on Dr Strange and Marvel's Star Wars title is good.
3.Peter Bagge-If all he ever did was Hate he would still be on this list. He perfectly captured,in the 30 issues of Hate,how it was to be a late teen/early 20 year old in the early to mid 90s.
2.Frank Miller-Sure he is nutty. But honestly the stuff people gripe about in his more recent comics has always been there. Just people didn't notice it. The only bad stuff from him I have read was his Spawn stuff and Holy Terror.
1-TIE

Alan Moore-I have now read almost every thing Moore has done in the comic industry. Sure he is a crazy old man. But he proved to me with his run on Crossed +100 he still has it.
Steve Gerber-If all he ever did was Howard the Duck he would still be #1 on my list. But then factor in all the other stuff he did,with his run on the Defenders being amazing,and you got one of the most under-rated comic writers I have ever read.

One thing about everyone on my list,all of them read more than just comics.

As far as this new DC movie Universe,the only film I have seen all of is Suicide Squad. Which was Ok at best. I do want to watch Batman v Superman,I am eagerly awaiting Wonder WOman and Affleck's Batman film. But it is gonna be hard for DC to top Marvel films like Cap 1 and 2 and Dr Strange.

And it's perfectly okay that you don't like his comics. I still don't see what the quality of his comic book writing has to do with his film career.

Cause a bad writer is a bad writer no mater if they are writing comics or films. I think a part of it is I am much older than the average comic fan now. So Johns writing doesn't appeal to me. Just like how people under the age of 30 sometimes have trouble going back and reading acclaimed comic runs from the 70s and 80s. Cause of the changes. Like how when I was a kid comics were full of captions and word balloons. And now you see way less of that.

[Jiren]

I'm a huge fan of Geoff Johns' work, When it comes to his event books I thought Flashpoint was his weakest.

Hell his stuff was some of the brighter spots of New 52

[Joe Neglia]

Jan 17, 2017 20:34:19 GMT -5 Ultimo Gallos said:

Cause a bad writer is a bad writer no mater if they are writing comics or films.

Absolutely not the case. Every writer has specific talents and styles that they excel at, and those that they don't. That goes for everyone from Dan Slott to JK Rowling to Ernest Hemingway. There have been plenty of major novelists who couldn't write a good comic or screenplay to save their life, and vice versa.