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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 16:55:48 GMT -5
Ill throw in Negima.
Rushed ending due to copyright and publisher things, all retconned with UQ Holder or not, because it could be another timeline which brings us to 5 now?
I lost track years ago.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 21, 2017 5:32:41 GMT -5
Naruto takes the cake, made me feel I wasted all my time with it and I see him as the biggest disgrace and pathetic excuse for a hero there every was. I'm surprised his monument didn't show his lips on the Uchiha's ass, since that's all he's good for. As well as a sexist writer who's own family and the voice cast told him he was horrible. The Uchicha fandom got ridicolous but that aside the ending was logical with them finally making up you know despite Sasuke being crazy beforehand I think the big problem with Naruto as a work was its stubborn insistence that Sasuke was still redeemable even after his attempted genocide. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 21, 2017 11:18:06 GMT -5
The Uchicha fandom got ridicolous but that aside the ending was logical with them finally making up you know despite Sasuke being crazy beforehand I think the big problem with Naruto as a work was its stubborn insistence that Sasuke was still redeemable even after his attempted genocide. I get they wanted the Vegeta type characteristic with him and even vegeta was still very antagonistic to the Z fighters once he unofficially joined but they took Sasuke to a whole new level. Once you attack the Kages there is no going back from that. They tried to spin it and say Tobi(Obito) used his feelings and all that Jazz but they did too much with him to try to redeem him at the end, only to have him try and kill Naruto again once the war was over. |
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Post by Fundertaker on Mar 21, 2017 11:34:17 GMT -5
I think the big problem with Naruto as a work was its stubborn insistence that Sasuke was still redeemable even after his attempted genocide. I get they wanted the Vegeta type characteristic with him and even vegeta was still very antagonistic to the Z fighters once he unofficially joined but they took Sasuke to a whole new level. Once you attack the Kages there is no going back from that. They tried to spin it and say Tobi(Obito) used his feelings and all that Jazz but they did too much with him to try to redeem him at the end, only to have him try and kill Naruto again once the war was over. If nothing else, Toriyama can turn it all into a big joke or complete redemption via sacrifice convincingly (taking the Vegeta example to heart as well as Piccolo and Tien in the original DB). Kishimoto can make a character look cooler than Toriyama in the eyes of fans, but misses a lot of subtlety when it comes time to change alignments. I mean, did any of the antagonists in Naruto really repent and redeemed themselves? Is there any way any of them could? I may be frank and say that I missed most of the Great Shinobi War arc, but I don't remember much in the way of redemption roads going around. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 21, 2017 11:45:31 GMT -5
I get they wanted the Vegeta type characteristic with him and even vegeta was still very antagonistic to the Z fighters once he unofficially joined but they took Sasuke to a whole new level. Once you attack the Kages there is no going back from that. They tried to spin it and say Tobi(Obito) used his feelings and all that Jazz but they did too much with him to try to redeem him at the end, only to have him try and kill Naruto again once the war was over. If nothing else, Toriyama can turn it all into a big joke or complete redemption via sacrifice convincingly (taking the Vegeta example to heart as well as Piccolo and Tien in the original DB). Kishimoto can make a character look cooler than Toriyama in the eyes of fans, but misses a lot of subtlety when it comes time to change alignments. I mean, did any of the antagonists in Naruto really repent and redeemed themselves? Is there any way any of them could? I may be frank and say that I missed most of the Great Shinobi War arc, but I don't remember much in the way of redemption roads going around. They eventually tried to put everything on Kaguya saying she controlled all the "evil". Hell, Madara being built as the biggest evil for the whole Shippuden label was supposed to been "controlled" by her. The only true enemies who really redeemed themselves are Obito, Nagato, and Konan from my recollection What he tried to use a lot was make you feel sorry for them. While DBZ had people sacrificing their lives to show their change of heart, in Naruto while the characters were cooler we were given a lot of sad backstories. In the end for all the terror Sasuke caused we got some tears and an apology and that was enough to satisfy peoples rage because Naruto backed him. When you think about it eventually a good portion of the enemies was given something of a tragic character trait outside of like Hidan and Kakuzu to give an example. I get why he did it that way because it was always shaped as what would "break" Naruto and some characters were pure hearted like Naruto before they got disillusioned with the world(Obito) but it came off as lazy and played out by the end. |
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Mar 21, 2017 20:04:09 GMT -5
I'll throw out a mention of Fist of the North Star. Not only did the entire second half not measure up to the first half (Hokuto Shinken was originally just magic kung fu? Seriously?), but then the actual ending has amnesia, "the return" of a non-existent villain, and super acupressure somehow healing a gaping chest wound. The series should've just ended after the Raoh fight.
Also, since I seem obligated to bring this up every time it gets mentioned, f*** Bleach and it's deus ex machina bullshit ending.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 21, 2017 20:07:22 GMT -5
I'll throw out a mention of Fist of the North Star. Not only did the entire second half not measure up to the first half (Hokuto Shinken was originally just magic kung fu? Seriously?), but then the actual ending has amnesia, "the return" of a non-existent villain, and super acupressure somehow healing a gaping chest wound. The series should've just ended after the Raoh fight. Also, since I seem obligated to bring this up every time it gets mentioned, f*** Bleach and it's deus ex machina bullshit ending. Bleach should of ended at the end of the war arc |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 4:32:41 GMT -5
Fullmetal Alchemist is kind of fascinating to me in that I think the manga / Brotherhood ending somehow manages to be worse than the, "Suddenly they're on earth and teaming up with Fritz Lang," thing the first anime did. I don't even know they managed that.
Also I feel obligated by me flying the flag for it to mention Mysterious Girlfriend X. The anime manages two really good endings between the main ending that expands on an early chapter into a good emotional high point and an original story OVA that kind of hits similar points, but the manga just kind of fizzles out with no real conclusion to anything.
Go ahead and mention Pretty Face too, mostly because its ending comes completely out of nowhere with absolutely no set-up or foreshadowing and doesn't really actually resolve anything. That one's fairly obscure so will go into it a little more - premise basically is a guy's in a wreck and both disfigured and assumed dead by his family (which basically is never revisited) while in a coma for a year. Wakes up to find his face having been surgically altered into that of his crush, then turns out his crush has a twin who went missing and he passes himself off as her for lack of options. Out of nowhere six volumes in the twin suddenly turns up and explains she ran off to become a hairdresser and will be back one day but asks the guy to keep masquerading as her in the meantime. Then there's a random spa segment to end on that's way more fanservicey than the rest of the thing with a lot of nudity, where the twin does show up for it but nothing is actually actually accomplished, none of the lingering issues are resolved, and she doesn't meet up with her sister during it or anything.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 22, 2017 4:35:25 GMT -5
I was expecting the ending to Love Hina (the manga, which is heartfelt, not the anime, which is basically fanservice and not much else) to have a bad ending, since things got ridiculously drawn out at times, but it ended up wrapping up fine. It ends pretty much how you'd expect it to, but after the ordeal leading up to it, that was fine by me. A predictable ending isn't always a bad one.
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Post by Fundertaker on Mar 22, 2017 4:42:21 GMT -5
I'll throw out a mention of Fist of the North Star. Not only did the entire second half not measure up to the first half (Hokuto Shinken was originally just magic kung fu? Seriously?), but then the actual ending has amnesia, "the return" of a non-existent villain, and super acupressure somehow healing a gaping chest wound. The series should've just ended after the Raoh fight. Also, since I seem obligated to bring this up every time it gets mentioned, f*** Bleach and it's deus ex machina bullshit ending. To be fair to Bleach, they did decide to cancel it just a few chapters into the last arc and only gave him a few weeks to wrap it up. It's not like this was Kubo's plan (most likely he didn't have one either, because he's Tite Kubo) at all. Now FotNS, yeah, the second part wasn't as good for sure and it really should've ended with the defeat of Raoh and Kenshiro going to live with Julia for the rest of her days and retiring for a better life. At most, if they needed to, have an arc with Kenshiro's borther meeting him after all those years and them not understanding each other (can use some of the stuff they did use in this part of the manga to propel Kenshiro to action like him rising to the position of Emperor and Rin and Bat leading the resistance against him, with Ken appearing to help) resulting in a final fight, skipping all the padding that was there. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 22, 2017 13:08:46 GMT -5
Fullmetal Alchemist is kind of fascinating to me in that I think the manga / Brotherhood ending somehow manages to be worse than the, "Suddenly they're on earth and teaming up with Fritz Lang," thing the first anime did. I don't even know they managed that. Also I feel obligated by me flying the flag for it to mention Mysterious Girlfriend X. The anime manages two really good endings between the main ending that expands on an early chapter into a good emotional high point and an original story OVA that kind of hits similar points, but the manga just kind of fizzles out with no real conclusion to anything. Go ahead and mention Pretty Face too, mostly because its ending comes completely out of nowhere with absolutely no set-up or foreshadowing and doesn't really actually resolve anything. That one's fairly obscure so will go into it a little more - premise basically is a guy's in a wreck and both disfigured and assumed dead by his family (which basically is never revisited) while in a coma for a year. Wakes up to find his face having been surgically altered into that of his crush, then turns out his crush has a twin who went missing and he passes himself off as her for lack of options. Out of nowhere six volumes in the twin suddenly turns up and explains she ran off to become a hairdresser and will be back one day but asks the guy to keep masquerading as her in the meantime. Then there's a random spa segment to end on that's way more fanservicey than the rest of the thing with a lot of nudity, where the twin does show up for it but nothing is actually actually accomplished, none of the lingering issues are resolved, and she doesn't meet up with her sister during it or anything. Interesting you mention Brotherhood because I do not hear flack come from that ending at all. The one people always complain about is the first anime ending. |
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Post by Soultastic on Mar 22, 2017 23:36:34 GMT -5
I'll throw out a mention of Fist of the North Star. Not only did the entire second half not measure up to the first half (Hokuto Shinken was originally just magic kung fu? Seriously?), but then the actual ending has amnesia, "the return" of a non-existent villain, and super acupressure somehow healing a gaping chest wound. The series should've just ended after the Raoh fight. Also, since I seem obligated to bring this up every time it gets mentioned, f*** Bleach and it's deus ex machina bullshit ending. To be fair to Bleach, they did decide to cancel it just a few chapters into the last arc and only gave him a few weeks to wrap it up. It's not like this was Kubo's plan (most likely he didn't have one either, because he's Tite Kubo) at all. Not gonna lie, I don't buy this. Kubo had pretty much confirmed the Quincy arc was gonna be the end before it even started. Plus, even if the end was officially set just a few weeks before it happened, it didn't change the fact that most chapters contributed nothing to the plot and had considerable less content than a normal weekly manga. Kubo had his chance to step up and deliver for once, and he failed. Bless him for creating Mask de Masculine and James, tho. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 22, 2017 23:52:47 GMT -5
To be fair to Bleach, they did decide to cancel it just a few chapters into the last arc and only gave him a few weeks to wrap it up. It's not like this was Kubo's plan (most likely he didn't have one either, because he's Tite Kubo) at all. Not gonna lie, I don't buy this. Kubo had pretty much confirmed the Quincy arc was gonna be the end before it even started. Plus, even if the end was officially set just a few weeks before it happened, it didn't change the fact that most chapters contributed nothing to the plot and had considerable less content than a normal weekly manga. Kubo had his chance to step up and deliver for once, and he failed. Bless him for creating Mask de Masculine and James, tho. The Quincy war arc was announced as the last arc of the story and it started if I remember correctly June 2012 and it did not end until August 2016. That is more than enough time to finish up some loose ends but what we got was a lot of filler chapters and the pay off to a lot of the character mysteries was disappointing. I can not possibly cut Kubo any slack when he got over 150 chapters to finish something but because they did not give him those extra 5 for a long battle between Ichigo and Yhwach it somehow was not what he wanted. When they said last arc I assumed maybe two years but to go four years is crazy. |
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Post by Fundertaker on Mar 23, 2017 5:47:02 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, I don't buy this. Kubo had pretty much confirmed the Quincy arc was gonna be the end before it even started. Plus, even if the end was officially set just a few weeks before it happened, it didn't change the fact that most chapters contributed nothing to the plot and had considerable less content than a normal weekly manga. Kubo had his chance to step up and deliver for once, and he failed. Bless him for creating Mask de Masculine and James, tho. The Quincy war arc was announced as the last arc of the story and it started if I remember correctly June 2012 and it did not end until August 2016. That is more than enough time to finish up some loose ends but what we got was a lot of filler chapters and the pay off to a lot of the character mysteries was disappointing. I can not possibly cut Kubo any slack when he got over 150 chapters to finish something but because they did not give him those extra 5 for a long battle between Ichigo and Yhwach it somehow was not what he wanted. When they said last arc I assumed maybe two years but to go four years is crazy. The guy stated a couple of years ago that he had plans for another 10 years of Bleach, and it's Kubo, so take that what you will. And yes, I know that there was a lot of filler chapters, but that's par the course with the rest of the manga. When we were getting somewhere in the plot, that's when he got word that Bleach would end soon and we got most of that ending mess. As for it being the final arc of the manga, yes he said that, but an arc doesn't have a set duration. The Arrancar arc had 240 chapters, which translates to about 4,5 years on the same arc for the manga. For comparison, the Quincy arc was at chapter 206 and Kubo likes to throw every plot parts at the end of arcs anyway, so I would believe he could finish it as he wanted within a year or a bit less. And, again, when you're planning for a big final arc and your editor tells you right before you get to the good stuff to end it in 6 or 7 chapters (which isn't much in today's manga world let's face it), it's kinda hard to do right by it, which is the problem of most cases mentioned here. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 23, 2017 7:00:04 GMT -5
The Quincy war arc was announced as the last arc of the story and it started if I remember correctly June 2012 and it did not end until August 2016. That is more than enough time to finish up some loose ends but what we got was a lot of filler chapters and the pay off to a lot of the character mysteries was disappointing. I can not possibly cut Kubo any slack when he got over 150 chapters to finish something but because they did not give him those extra 5 for a long battle between Ichigo and Yhwach it somehow was not what he wanted. When they said last arc I assumed maybe two years but to go four years is crazy. The guy stated a couple of years ago that he had plans for another 10 years of Bleach, and it's Kubo, so take that what you will. And yes, I know that there was a lot of filler chapters, but that's par the course with the rest of the manga. When we were getting somewhere in the plot, that's when he got word that Bleach would end soon and we got most of that ending mess. As for it being the final arc of the manga, yes he said that, but an arc doesn't have a set duration. The Arrancar arc had 240 chapters, which translates to about 4,5 years on the same arc for the manga. For comparison, the Quincy arc was at chapter 206 and Kubo likes to throw every plot parts at the end of arcs anyway, so I would believe he could finish it as he wanted within a year or a bit less. And, again, when you're planning for a big final arc and your editor tells you right before you get to the good stuff to end it in 6 or 7 chapters (which isn't much in today's manga world let's face it), it's kinda hard to do right by it, which is the problem of most cases mentioned here. I hear what you saying and yes I do remember him saying he had a lot of years left but once you start touting final arc I assume you have a conclusion in mind already. While yes the arrancar and war arcs both lasted years they also weren't the last arc of the story. What I'm saying is it's more like Kubo made this up as he went along than having a story with a clear ending. My thing is what could of happened in the 6 or 7 chapters to fill in the gaps he kept promising for characters. While it is messed up he did not get his "full conclusion" there is also a sense of well if we told him from the beginning he "only" had 200 chapters to put a bow on this shit, could he? For me the 6 or 7 chapters would not have made a world of difference because while arc wasn't as boring as the fullbringer arc, it felt like he was making shit up on the go which ended up with a lot of unnecessary answers. Same way I feel with Naruto and them basically introducing Kaguya as a character and final boss in the last 100 chapters of the story |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 7:27:40 GMT -5
Looking at all these endings here, I keep praying to the Japanese gods above that Gosho Aoyama (Case Closed) and Eiichiro Oda (One Piece) will get to finish their manga satisfactorily and without any editorial meddling.
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Post by Fundertaker on Mar 23, 2017 10:50:04 GMT -5
Looking at all these endings here, I keep praying to the Japanese gods above that Gosho Aoyama (Case Closed) and Eiichiro Oda (One Piece) will get to finish their manga satisfactorily and without any editorial meddling. If the chief-editor in Shueisha has his way, One Piece will never end  |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 23, 2017 10:58:51 GMT -5
Looking at all these endings here, I keep praying to the Japanese gods above that Gosho Aoyama (Case Closed) and Eiichiro Oda (One Piece) will get to finish their manga satisfactorily and without any editorial meddling. Those are the two manga/animes that will never end. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 14:28:09 GMT -5
Oh, I wouldn't say that. Sure, I may be on my death bed by then surrounded by grandchildren, but still...  |
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Mar 23, 2017 18:27:55 GMT -5
The maximum amount of time left for One Piece is 10 years, if that. There's still a lot of content left (The Reverie, Wano, Elbaf, the Revolutionaries VS CP0, finding the last road Poneglyph, Blackbeard VS Shanks, the revelation of the Void Century, and the war to overthrow the World Government, the final battle between Luffy and Blackbeard), but the end goal is within sight.
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