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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:31:47 GMT -5
So... You want them to be ultra horny gasbags? It wouldn't be horrible to have atleast one.Not everyone has to be a wrestler it's a tv show and I'd like some variety. I think that's horrible. I'm not against people on the show who don't focus on wrestling but I think the horny ditz character (Dawn Marie, Maria, Candace Michelle) needs to die. Or migrate to TNA.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Mar 28, 2017 11:53:35 GMT -5
She really hasn't contributed anything back to the WWE considering how much they invested in her
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 28, 2017 11:57:04 GMT -5
She really hasn't contributed anything back to the WWE considering how much they invested in her She contributed at least a bit to the success of Total Divas. It's not like they really invested much in her... she rarely wrestled when she did it was usually in a tag match and in singles matches it wasn't like she usually won either. it's not like they ever made her champion or really ever made it look like she was serious competition, hell even her heel run on NXT was based on the idea that she was completely outclassed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 13:14:07 GMT -5
It wouldn't be horrible to have atleast one.Not everyone has to be a wrestler it's a tv show and I'd like some variety. This current roster of women probably has the biggest variety in appearances they've had almost ever, plus it's not like they don't have Maryse and Lana, even Steph, so it's not like all of them regularly wrestle. But they don't do much with the ones that do Lana is nonexistent from a storyline standpoint she just stands at ringside and Maryse wasn't getting much until they needed a female body for Cena girlfriend to beat at mania.And as for the women's wrestlers on raw they've done a terrible job putting the divison together that as of a couple weeks ago Sasha was turning heel and Bayley was the only babyface so you had it that only 4 women were on raw and all the others got no tv time.Thats why I wish they would use women for things other than wrestling like valets or heck even fill foley's spot with a lady.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 13:26:55 GMT -5
It wouldn't be horrible to have atleast one.Not everyone has to be a wrestler it's a tv show and I'd like some variety. I think that's horrible. I'm not against people on the show who don't focus on wrestling but I think the horny ditz character (Dawn Marie, Maria, Candace Michelle) needs to die. Or migrate to TNA. She doesn't have to be horny but I'm a big proponent of taking advantage of people's strengths and I don't think everybody needs to be a wrestler especially if they are no good at wrestling but if they have other things that can benefit the show like being really attractive then I say use that.I'm fan of characters,stories and variety my least favorite thing is this obsession with workrate and "amazing" matches because if I don't care about the people I don't care about the match and great matches with nothing else gets boring quick for me I'd much rather have an interesting character or story that I care about even with a bad match then what we get now.Before Eva left she was getting real heat and it was completely different than every other girl on the roster because it was different.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 14:01:40 GMT -5
I think that's horrible. I'm not against people on the show who don't focus on wrestling but I think the horny ditz character (Dawn Marie, Maria, Candace Michelle) needs to die. Or migrate to TNA. She doesn't have to be horny but I'm a big proponent of taking advantage of people's strengths and I don't think everybody needs to be a wrestler especially if they are no good at wrestling but if they have other things that can benefit the show like being really attractive then I say use that.I'm fan of characters,stories and variety my least favorite thing is this obsession with workrate and "amazing" matches because if I don't care about the people I don't care about the match and great matches with nothing else gets boring quick for me I'd much rather have an interesting character or story that I care about even with a bad match then what we get now.Before Eva left she was getting real heat and it was completely different than every other girl on the roster because it was different. That's why I used to be of two minds with Eva Marie. On one hand it's like: Eva Marie did get good heat, it's good enough that I was willing to see what she could do once she had a chance to stop being half-past dreadful in the ring. On the other hand it's like: Eva Marie is getting heat because she legitimately sucks in the ring nor was she a good promo. Why keep her around if you refuse to at least put her in a stable or something to make that into less of a negative? Though I generally lean more towards the latter: For whatever reason people want to use, Eva Marie legitimately sucked in the ring and wasn't memorable on the mic. Until she could improve to being decent in at least one of those areas, there was only so much they were going to be able to do with that heat. If women had more titles, something like a tag title or a midcard title, I'd have probably have Eva win one of those. I wouldn't have let Eva anywhere near a top women's singles title, so WWE made the right decision there at least.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 14:29:39 GMT -5
*shrug*
Wish her the best in whatever she chooses to do next.
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Post by Flo360 on Mar 28, 2017 14:37:39 GMT -5
I really want her Personal annnouncer to read that Pressrelease. "All Red everything herself....EVA MARIE....is wished best in all her future endevors!"
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Post by Indiana Miz on Mar 28, 2017 15:28:02 GMT -5
I misread this as Eve Torres and wondered why it was a big deal she was no longer keeping up with wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 17:47:20 GMT -5
She doesn't have to be horny but I'm a big proponent of taking advantage of people's strengths and I don't think everybody needs to be a wrestler especially if they are no good at wrestling but if they have other things that can benefit the show like being really attractive then I say use that.I'm fan of characters,stories and variety my least favorite thing is this obsession with workrate and "amazing" matches because if I don't care about the people I don't care about the match and great matches with nothing else gets boring quick for me I'd much rather have an interesting character or story that I care about even with a bad match then what we get now.Before Eva left she was getting real heat and it was completely different than every other girl on the roster because it was different. That's why I used to be of two minds with Eva Marie. On one hand it's like: Eva Marie did get good heat, it's good enough that I was willing to see what she could do once she had a chance to stop being half-past dreadful in the ring. On the other hand it's like: Eva Marie is getting heat because she legitimately sucks in the ring nor was she a good promo. Why keep her around if you refuse to at least put her in a stable or something to make that into less of a negative? Though I generally lean more towards the latter: For whatever reason people want to use, Eva Marie legitimately sucked in the ring and wasn't memorable on the mic. Until she could improve to being decent in at least one of those areas, there was only so much they were going to be able to do with that heat. If women had more titles, something like a tag title or a midcard title, I'd have probably have Eva win one of those. I wouldn't have let Eva anywhere near a top women's singles title, so WWE made the right decision there at least. That's why I don't want her to wrestle cause there's no point unless for a storyline or 2 but you've got women that can work and I'm looking at it like there's a lot of people that like womens wrestling but there's also a lot of people that don't in my vision you can have the girls that work and then the girls that don't and you use them in other ways this is the same company that got sable over as a huge star he couldn't wrestle,she couldn't talk,she couldn't act but she was hot and watching that stuff back except for the hand print deal even when she would strip on tv she was wearing more clothes than Sasha Banks or a lot of the current women wear on a weekly basis and I'm not saying I want them stripping cause I don't but there are other things you can do with the women even within the pg rating other than just wrestling and it annoys me that everyone thinks you can only do things one way when there are a lot of different options.I even feel the same way about the guys if you got a guy that can't work but he's good looking use him in other ways because this is a tv product and your trying to appeal to different people that like different things so give them some variety and you appeal to more people.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 28, 2017 18:13:16 GMT -5
She clearly never gave two shits about wrestling and expected everything handed to her on a plate. Let someone who will thrive in a spot have the spot. I don't think that's fair at all. She didn't have to go off to train at Kendrick's school for months to try and learn how to get better, but she did. They took her off of TV because she wanted to get better. She didn't, really, but I don't think we can consider that to be entirely her fault, either. She's not someone who was cut out for wrestling, and even when trained to be better she moved awkwardly, like she just didn't have the athleticism and physical attributes necessary to be good in the ring, but the company put her in that position. They hired her to a fill a role, she filled it. Was she good? No. Does that mean she "never gave two shits about wrestling and expected everything handed to her on a plate"? Not in the least. She's the one who wanted to go and get training, and failure isn't always about how much you want to be good at something.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Mar 28, 2017 18:40:52 GMT -5
She clearly never gave two shits about wrestling and expected everything handed to her on a plate. Let someone who will thrive in a spot have the spot. I don't think that's fair at all. She didn't have to go off to train at Kendrick's school for months to try and learn how to get better, but she did. They took her off of TV because she wanted to get better. She didn't, really, but I don't think we can consider that to be entirely her fault, either. She's not someone who was cut out for wrestling, and even when trained to be better she moved awkwardly, like she just didn't have the athleticism and physical attributes necessary to be good in the ring, but the company put her in that position. They hired her to a fill a role, she filled it. Was she good? No. Does that mean she "never gave two shits about wrestling and expected everything handed to her on a plate"? Not in the least. She's the one who wanted to go and get training, and failure isn't always about how much you want to be good at something. Ok, your argument is not at all unfair considering my comments and I totally agree that wrestling is not for everyone, but some of what you say assumes too much about Eva. She was under contract. She had a commitment to the company to attempt to get better if only to keep the checks coming in. I don't think going to Kendrick's school means anything since that was to her advantage considering where she lived. The WWE has its own school. If she truly cared, she'd have parked her ass at the Performance Center for the entire time the way Cameron did and the way others have when they have wanted to better themselves. I don't wholly disagree with you at all, but I think you're assuming too much about Eva's interest. She wanted the easiest road IMO.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Mar 28, 2017 18:47:13 GMT -5
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 28, 2017 18:50:54 GMT -5
I don't think that's fair at all. She didn't have to go off to train at Kendrick's school for months to try and learn how to get better, but she did. They took her off of TV because she wanted to get better. She didn't, really, but I don't think we can consider that to be entirely her fault, either. She's not someone who was cut out for wrestling, and even when trained to be better she moved awkwardly, like she just didn't have the athleticism and physical attributes necessary to be good in the ring, but the company put her in that position. They hired her to a fill a role, she filled it. Was she good? No. Does that mean she "never gave two shits about wrestling and expected everything handed to her on a plate"? Not in the least. She's the one who wanted to go and get training, and failure isn't always about how much you want to be good at something. Ok, your argument is not at all unfair considering my comments and I totally agree that wrestling is not for everyone, but some of what you say assumes too much about Eva. She was under contract. She had a commitment to the company to attempt to get better if only to keep the checks coming in. I don't think going to Kendrick's school means anything since that was to her advantage considering where she lived. The WWE has its own school. If she truly cared, she'd have parked her ass at the Performance Center for the entire time the way Cameron did and the way others have when they have wanted to better themselves. I don't wholly disagree with you at all, but I think you're assuming too much about Eva's interest. She wanted the easiest road IMO. But she didn't have to train, period. They didn't hire her to train, they didn't tell her "You're really, really f***ing bad at this, go get more training". Hell, they put her onto television and into matches with minimal idea what she was doing, that's on the company. In WWE's eyes training was not something she needed to do because she wasn't brought in to be a good wrestler, and her paychecks did not hinge on her being a good wrestler, they hinged on her having a faint television presence that justified putting her onto Total Divas. If she's the one who said "No, I want to go train, take me off TV for a while and I'll work with this guy" then that alone is saying something about her desire to get better and be good at her job that I feel would cancel out the accusations of wanting the easiest road, because the company was 100% fine with keeping her on and even writing up an entire gimmick centered around protecting her from exposing herself as someone who sucks. Maybe that's not going above and beyond, but it shows a level of shits given that I think it's unfair to brush off just because the tangible effects of that effort weren't particularly visible.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Mar 28, 2017 19:28:38 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 28, 2017 22:05:29 GMT -5
I don't think that's fair at all. She didn't have to go off to train at Kendrick's school for months to try and learn how to get better, but she did. They took her off of TV because she wanted to get better. She didn't, really, but I don't think we can consider that to be entirely her fault, either. She's not someone who was cut out for wrestling, and even when trained to be better she moved awkwardly, like she just didn't have the athleticism and physical attributes necessary to be good in the ring, but the company put her in that position. They hired her to a fill a role, she filled it. Was she good? No. Does that mean she "never gave two shits about wrestling and expected everything handed to her on a plate"? Not in the least. She's the one who wanted to go and get training, and failure isn't always about how much you want to be good at something. Ok, your argument is not at all unfair considering my comments and I totally agree that wrestling is not for everyone, but some of what you say assumes too much about Eva. She was under contract. She had a commitment to the company to attempt to get better if only to keep the checks coming in. I don't think going to Kendrick's school means anything since that was to her advantage considering where she lived. The WWE has its own school. If she truly cared, she'd have parked her ass at the Performance Center for the entire time the way Cameron did and the way others have when they have wanted to better themselves. I don't wholly disagree with you at all, but I think you're assuming too much about Eva's interest. She wanted the easiest road IMO. If reports are to be believed she DID try to train. They told her no because Jojo left to do the same thing and they didn't want to lose both of the divas they hired SPECIFICALLY for Total Divas to disappear from the main roster completely in the first season.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 28, 2017 23:27:45 GMT -5
All Red Future Endeavoring
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 29, 2017 1:25:17 GMT -5
That's why I used to be of two minds with Eva Marie. On one hand it's like: Eva Marie did get good heat, it's good enough that I was willing to see what she could do once she had a chance to stop being half-past dreadful in the ring. On the other hand it's like: Eva Marie is getting heat because she legitimately sucks in the ring nor was she a good promo. Why keep her around if you refuse to at least put her in a stable or something to make that into less of a negative? Though I generally lean more towards the latter: For whatever reason people want to use, Eva Marie legitimately sucked in the ring and wasn't memorable on the mic. Until she could improve to being decent in at least one of those areas, there was only so much they were going to be able to do with that heat. If women had more titles, something like a tag title or a midcard title, I'd have probably have Eva win one of those. I wouldn't have let Eva anywhere near a top women's singles title, so WWE made the right decision there at least. That's why I don't want her to wrestle cause there's no point unless for a storyline or 2 but you've got women that can work and I'm looking at it like there's a lot of people that like womens wrestling but there's also a lot of people that don't in my vision you can have the girls that work and then the girls that don't and you use them in other ways this is the same company that got sable over as a huge star he couldn't wrestle,she couldn't talk,she couldn't act but she was hot and watching that stuff back except for the hand print deal even when she would strip on tv she was wearing more clothes than Sasha Banks or a lot of the current women wear on a weekly basis and I'm not saying I want them stripping cause I don't but there are other things you can do with the women even within the pg rating other than just wrestling and it annoys me that everyone thinks you can only do things one way when there are a lot of different options.I even feel the same way about the guys if you got a guy that can't work but he's good looking use him in other ways because this is a tv product and your trying to appeal to different people that like different things so give them some variety and you appeal to more people. How could they make use of Eva Marie though? It's universally agreed that her only redeeming features are she's easy on the eye and she gets heat but the problem is being easy on the eye isn't a unique trait in today's WWE, and her heat isn't the kind that you can use to give a rub to someone else or draw money, given that fans legitimately hate her guts and just want her gone, and even if that wasn't the case her complete lack of wrestling and promo ability negates it. So all that's left for her to do is stand in front of the crowd, look pretty, and take abuse from them for being utterly worthless as a wrestling talent. That's an act that gets real thin, real fast, adds nothing to the show, and - let's be honest - is probably a miserable existence for her. No wonder she looks to be putting wrestling behind her. When all you can offer is an aesthetic amongst a sea of talent who can either wrestle, talk, or both, and most look pretty damn good, then you're dead weight.
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Post by Woo on Mar 29, 2017 8:09:31 GMT -5
I will miss Eva she brought some much needed sex appeal to the product and especially now that the fans and female talent have been blinded by workrate in an effort to become this generations Mae Young. Eva Marie was far more Mae Young than the rest of the women. Mae and Moolah were the original Divas whereas the new girls are trying to be wrestlers like Mildred Burke.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 29, 2017 8:16:31 GMT -5
She could've been as big as Stacy Keibler or Torrie Wilson were for the company but they insisted in having her wrestle and she got exposed bad.
What a weird career she had, she didn't appear much in smackdown or raw, just total divas.
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