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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 21, 2017 23:36:42 GMT -5
They gave him a chance and he took the ball and ran with it. I can't knock them or him for being like hey f*** it lets give this a month to see what happens. I wish they would of did that with Ryback when he went against Punk. I doubt Jinder walks into Summerslam champion but let the dude ride this wave he's on. It reminds me of his IG post after Mania where he talked about last year he was watching Mania on his phone and this year he's on the preshow and he wants to continue to do more. At worst Orton wins the title back on Tuesday and people will complain about that. Let's see where this goes. Honestly I'm thinking where it's going is Orton takes the title back at Money in the Bank then Rusev immediately cashes in, and that leads off into a triple threat then into Rusev vs. Orton and Jinder vs. AJ for the US title, then eventually to Rusev vs. AJ. Which at least sounds like a good place to end up at, even if the road there is waaaaay less than ideal. I think Rusev will be worked into this equation somehow. He wants a title shot at MITB so if Orton doesn't recapture the belt before then I assume this becomes a triple threat. As far as what they do for the WWE title at Summerslam I have no clue. I don't think they will propel Shinsuke there yet and he's got options in Cena or AJ for a big match.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 23:38:08 GMT -5
Truly the greatest WWE Champion to ever come from Calgary
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Post by Sicho100 on May 21, 2017 23:38:31 GMT -5
I mentioned this in the PPV thread, but Jinder is not being portrayed as a legitimate champion. The announcers were shocked he won. Renee was shocked he won. Sami Zayn was shocked he won. No on is looking at Jinder as a legitimate champion. They are all saying he was an extremely lucky underdog. This is all being done for storyline purposes and he is in no way the new face of the company or a permanent main eventer. While the record books will forever list him as a WWE Champion, odds are this will all otherwise be forgotten once he loses the title, which could happen as early as next month. And all will be right with the world. I apologize for bringing him up twice in one thread, but that's basically the same argument Russo uses in defending making both himself and Arquette WCW Champion. Arquette wasn't really a legitimate champion - he wasn't presented as being above the full-time wrestlers. He just pinned Bischoff in a tag match. And Russo wasn't presented as being above the wrestlers, Goldberg just speared him through the cage. And yet, Russo doesn't have very many people that defend those decisions. Because, by having both himself and Arquette as champion, Russo devalued the belt. And that's what's happening with Jinder. I mean, I'm supposed to see "Look, it's not like Jinder is actually being presented as a top guy, even though he is the WWE Champion" as a defense of making Jinder the champion?
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Post by Chiral on May 21, 2017 23:39:12 GMT -5
I think this thread would've been made even if Mahal would've won a lesser belt. They're separate things but this feels like the Cleveland Browns winning the super bowl. It's weird how much they avoid giving a guy they want to be a main eventer a mid card title first, which would really ease the audience into it. WWE's had a major problem this decade with "this is happening and it has to happen NOW" moments.
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Post by Evil Homer on May 21, 2017 23:40:28 GMT -5
Well at least hes better than Khali
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 23:54:39 GMT -5
I think this thread would've been made even if Mahal would've won a lesser belt. They're separate things but this feels like the Cleveland Browns winning the super bowl. It's weird how much they avoid giving a guy they want to be a main eventer a mid card title first, which would really ease the audience into it. WWE's had a major problem this decade with "this is happening and it has to happen NOW" moments. Honestly I think WWE feels like once someone's been in the midcard they're damaged goods for life or something. Ambrose is the only person since like Miz I can recall being built in the midcard and having a couple title runs there before being immediately handed a World title and being a main-eventer right then and there.
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Post by Stu on May 21, 2017 23:56:59 GMT -5
I mentioned this in the PPV thread, but Jinder is not being portrayed as a legitimate champion. The announcers were shocked he won. Renee was shocked he won. Sami Zayn was shocked he won. No on is looking at Jinder as a legitimate champion. They are all saying he was an extremely lucky underdog. This is all being done for storyline purposes and he is in no way the new face of the company or a permanent main eventer. While the record books will forever list him as a WWE Champion, odds are this will all otherwise be forgotten once he loses the title, which could happen as early as next month. And all will be right with the world. I apologize for bringing him up twice in one thread, but that's basically the same argument Russo uses in defending making both himself and Arquette WCW Champion. Arquette wasn't really a legitimate champion - he wasn't presented as being above the full-time wrestlers. He just pinned Bischoff in a tag match. And Russo wasn't presented as being above the wrestlers, Goldberg just speared him through the cage. And yet, Russo doesn't have very many people that defend those decisions. Because, by having both himself and Arquette as champion, Russo devalued the belt. And that's what's happening with Jinder. I mean, I'm supposed to see "Look, it's not like Jinder is actually being presented as a top guy, even though he is the WWE Champion" as a defense of making Jinder the champion? First off , Jinder shouldn't be compared to Russo or Arquette since he's at least an actual wrestler. As for the WWE championship, you can see it however you want to see it. At the end of the day, it's the company's top championship. And I'm going to simply look at it as the top prize even after Jinder loses it. I'm not going to dwell on semantics and argue the title means nothing just because some guy held it that one time or another.
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Post by salz4life on May 21, 2017 23:57:49 GMT -5
Truly the greatest WWE Champion to ever come from Calgary .... Alberta, Canada!
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Post by salz4life on May 21, 2017 23:59:45 GMT -5
This is happening nearly 3 years to the day that current WWE Champion Jinder Mahal lost a match to....... El Torito! 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 0:00:12 GMT -5
Actually, another thing that's kind of being glossed over - there hasn't been a successful WWE title defense on PPV this year yet. Rumble, Elimination Chamber, Mania, Backlash, it's four for four on new champions. And if you want to extend that a bit you can say there has yet to be a win by the WWE champion on PPV since Orton also lost at Payback, meaning WWE Champion going into a match is 0-5.
Personally I'd take that any day over aimless months-long runs where nothing happens and they keep fighting the same people over and over that are long solely for the sake of it (*coughOwenscoughPunkcough*) but it is kind of a bad precedent, especially since Jinder's likely not leaving MitB with the belt.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 22, 2017 0:01:53 GMT -5
This is happening nearly 3 years to the day that current WWE Champion Jinder Mahal lost a match to....... El Torito! 😂😂😂😂😂 ...I don't think we can ever write anyone off as a possible world champion ever again.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 0:02:59 GMT -5
This is happening nearly 3 years to the day that current WWE Champion Jinder Mahal lost a match to....... El Torito! 😂😂😂😂😂 ...I don't think we can ever write anyone off as a possible world champion ever again. Depends, WWE open a new office in Parts Unknown lately to get Kane another run?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 22, 2017 0:03:55 GMT -5
Actually, another thing that's kind of being glossed over - there hasn't been a successful WWE title defense on PPV this year yet. Rumble, Elimination Chamber, Mania, Backlash, it's four for four on new champions. And if you want to extend that a bit you can say there has yet to be a win by the WWE champion on PPV since Orton also lost at Payback, meaning WWE Champion going into a match is 0-5. Personally I'd take that any day over aimless months-long runs where nothing happens and they keep fighting the same people over and over that are long solely for the sake of it (*coughOwenscoughPunkcough*) but it is kind of a bad precedent, especially since Jinder's likely not leaving MitB with the belt. To elaborate on that, there's only been one successful Universal defense on PPV this year (Owens over Reigns at the Rumble, which by all rights Reigns had in the bag before BRAUN), so... Bet against the belt on Sundays, it seems.
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Post by Rave on May 22, 2017 0:04:24 GMT -5
Is this punishment for all the audience-related shenanigans lately? Will it disappear completely if we promise not to bring beach balls and chant random stuff anymore?
Seriously, not everyone needs a world title reign. Especially not Jinder.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 22, 2017 0:05:10 GMT -5
Spoilered for hideous bacne {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} He's clearly eating too many bowls of Wheaties.
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Post by The Trashman on May 22, 2017 0:07:49 GMT -5
Its just that Jinder-Orton feels like a midcard feud and you have 2 of the best wrestlers in the world going for the U.S. title. No one would care if the belts were swapped but Jinder was Rusev's loser lackey for most of the time he has been back. Throw in the Bollywood Boyz and Orton fresh off the House of Horrors....
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Post by Cela on May 22, 2017 0:12:45 GMT -5
I don't mind a jobber winning the world title, especially off The Push Killer Randy Orton. But, there was blatant DQ crap in the finish.
I know, the writers can do whatever the hell they way. The rules are made up and the points don't matter. But at least try to maintain a little consistency to help suspend the disbelief.
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Post by Shai on May 22, 2017 0:22:05 GMT -5
It's okay, he's getting cashed in on. So it really doesn't matter in the long run.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 0:31:59 GMT -5
Hopefully this leads to a big celebration on Smackdown that's really elaborate and has 200 participants in costume and live music.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 0:33:43 GMT -5
I'm honestly super curious what SmackDown's rating will be like this week, and honestly kind of feel like it's part of why WWE decided to pull the trigger on it. On one hand if Jinder's push (or on a broader level the sudden huge focus on anti-American gimmicks) is what's caused SmackDown's viewership to crater this could easily make it a lot worse, on the other if it's just because SmackDown's boring and overall kind of stupid (which in recent months, yeah, it is) I could see a massive increase just to see where the hell they're going with this.
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