Atop the Fourth Wall: Crisis on Infinite Earth!

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Event Comics month starting this year with one of the grand daddies of them all.

Worlds lived, worlds died... and then they lived again. And died again. And lived again. We're just kind of used to it by now.

also the clue for next weeks episode

Just remember nothing you dream of is impossible for him to accomplish

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{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Secret Wars is a comin'

[CMWaters]

You didn't really need to spoil which events he's doing. He put it in his upcoming episodes list:
-This week, Crisis on Infinite Earths
-Next week, Secret Wars (the original)
-5/22, Infinity Gauntlet
-5/29, Flashpoint.

But yeah, Crisis. If there was a DC/Charlton/Fawcett character that you liked from before 1985, 9 times out of 10 they would be in this book in some form or another. The multiple Anti-Monitor fake-out deaths did get annoying, but considering the power and threat he pulled, it does make sense for him to be damn hard to kill.

Also, I use this story as well as other things to show people via Supergirl's death that Superman is not immune to everything except Kryptonite. ...this and when he fought Doomsday, but that whole thing just had him MOSTLY dead.

Also, scene he skipped over that I snerked about when reading Crisis the first time:

[The Heartbreak TWERK]

Shame he's not doing Infinite Crisis, which is my favorite.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Yes I was aware that he puts the issues on the site.

I spoiled it for anyone that didn't check the actually site and wanted to be surprised

[CMWaters]

...oh...whoops.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

eh no harm no foul.

[Kevin Hamilton]

Easily the best Xover there ever has been.

Though my favorite is still Acts of Vengeance. It's close. I love Crisis, and it's a thousand times more important; but Acts came out just as I was gettin into comics and is just fun

[Jiren]

May 9, 2017 10:55:49 GMT -5 The Heartbreak TWERK said:

Shame he's not doing Infinite Crisis, which is my favorite.

I too prefer Infinite

Mind I even like "Final" regardless of it's batshit insanity

[Kevin Hamilton]

Infinite was decent, but to me was just a pale shadow of the original.

[Mozenrath]

He's right, Anti-Monitor's two designs in Crisis look much more interesting than the later one.

[Fundertaker]

Would you guys say that this is the most important event in the history of comics, both business and storyline wise? Because everytime I read about it it seems like it was a once-in-a-lifetime event that is kinda copied every few years.

[Feargus McReddit]

May 10, 2017 4:30:21 GMT -5 Fundertaker said:

Would you guys say that this is the most important even in the history of comics, both business and storyline wise? Because everytime I read about it it seems like it was a once-in-a-lifetime event that is kinda copied every few years.

I'd say so, yeah.

I actually brought all 12 issues on Comixology when they were on sale and, besides it being really wordy at times, it holds up. Very few events have come close in scale and juggling a tonne of characters and plot on top of that.

[Deleted]

This probably explains a few (bizarre) things about me, maybe, but when I first started back issue hunting and expanding beyond just GI Joe comics ..... COIE was my introduction to the DC Universe as a whole.

Yup. I learned to swim in the deepest of deep ends.

And I've not read it in maybe 10-15 years (and even then re-reads weren't common), so even today - though I know the basics and plot and consequences - it still feels like an unfamiliar book to read at times. It's comforting, actually.

[Joe Neglia]

May 9, 2017 19:33:33 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

He's right, Anti-Monitor's two designs in Crisis look much more interesting than the later one.

He's wrong about one thing though - those aren't teeth. Anti-Monitor was supposed to basically represent death in a way, and his body under the armor was a pale, shriveled, toothless corpse-like being.

[MrElijah]

Crisis was truly an epic read. The Anti-Monitor was an awesome cosmic evil. I remember when he came back in the Sinestro Corps Special.


I remember going: "How the f*** the Green Lanterns going to beat THAT?!"

[Joe Neglia]

I know he touched on the mess that occurred right after Crisis, but it was a massive disaster in ways on the level of the NU52 reboot. Not only did it set up things so that Wonder Woman "hadn't existed" yet in-story (she wouldn't make her true post-Crisis debut until a few issues into the Legends event mini a year later) and the whole Superboy never existed thing wiped out his Legion history, but there was so much more. DC didn't have all of its post-Crisis ducks in order and no one had any idea what was still in-continuity or not (just like NU52). Hawkman got one of the biggest ends of that stick. They left him in limbo for a couple of years before bringing him back in JLI, but then immediately followed that up with a new series that rebooted the entire concept and meant the Hawkman in JLI couldn't have been there and...oh, I'm so not going into that rabbit hole. Needless to say, Hawky was one of the most f'ed-over in the entire reboot. It also meant Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman weren't part of the original Justice League. All of the future timelines (Legion, Kamandi, the Rip Hunter stuff, OMAC, etc) were crunched into one direct timeline that couldn't possibly work since some of their concepts and events were at direct odds with one another. I won't even get into all of the "there's only one Earth/reality now" mandates while still publishing the early Elseworlds or Super Powers stuff, which all took place outside that reality.

[Feargus McReddit]

May 10, 2017 8:09:55 GMT -5 @knapp said:

This probably explains a few (bizarre) things about me, maybe, but when I first started back issue hunting and expanding beyond just GI Joe comics ..... COIE was my introduction to the DC Universe as a whole.

Yup. I learned to swim in the deepest of deep ends.

And I've not read it in maybe 10-15 years (and even then re-reads weren't common), so even today - though I know the basics and plot and consequences - it still feels like an unfamiliar book to read at times. It's comforting, actually.

That just reminds me about the first true comic I ever read, not a comic magazine with all kinds of issues stuck together that's still pretty common in the UK...

JLA/Avengers 1.

My little kid mind was blown by a DC/Marvel crossover and had no goddamn clue who most of the people outside the heavy hitters were but I didn't care.

It's pretty much my go to yearly book if possible. Not the greatest crossover yet but damn if it isn't fun as hell.

[MrElijah]

May 10, 2017 19:12:43 GMT -5 Joe Neglia said:

I know he touched on the mess that occurred right after Crisis, but it was a massive disaster in ways on the level of the NU52 reboot. Not only did it set up things so that Wonder Woman "hadn't existed" yet in-story (she wouldn't make her true post-Crisis debut until a few issues into the Legends event mini a year later) and the whole Superboy never existed thing wiped out his Legion history, but there was so much more. DC didn't have all of its post-Crisis ducks in order and no one had any idea what was still in-continuity or not (just like NU52). Hawkman got one of the biggest ends of that stick. They left him in limbo for a couple of years before bringing him back in JLI, but then immediately followed that up with a new series that rebooted the entire concept and meant the Hawkman in JLI couldn't have been there and...oh, I'm so not going into that rabbit hole. Needless to say, Hawky was one of the most f'ed-over in the entire reboot. It also meant Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman weren't part of the original Justice League. All of the future timelines (Legion, Kamandi, the Rip Hunter stuff, OMAC, etc) were crunched into one direct timeline that couldn't possibly work since some of their concepts and events were at direct odds with one another. I won't even get into all of the "there's only one Earth/reality now" mandates while still publishing the early Elseworlds or Super Powers stuff, which all took place outside that reality.

You know what's a continuity disaster that hasn't been addressed? Green Lantern Corps. Yeah Secret Origin replaced Emeral Dawn I and II but besides that? Hal's history is stil intact. As is Kyle's. As is John's. As is Guy's.

How in the hell do they fit? Did Zero Hour happened in the New52? The Sinestro Corps War did! Was Hal ever the Spectre? Did Kyle join the JLA?

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

May 10, 2017 20:56:45 GMT -5 MrElijah said:

May 10, 2017 19:12:43 GMT -5 Joe Neglia said:

I know he touched on the mess that occurred right after Crisis, but it was a massive disaster in ways on the level of the NU52 reboot. Not only did it set up things so that Wonder Woman "hadn't existed" yet in-story (she wouldn't make her true post-Crisis debut until a few issues into the Legends event mini a year later) and the whole Superboy never existed thing wiped out his Legion history, but there was so much more. DC didn't have all of its post-Crisis ducks in order and no one had any idea what was still in-continuity or not (just like NU52). Hawkman got one of the biggest ends of that stick. They left him in limbo for a couple of years before bringing him back in JLI, but then immediately followed that up with a new series that rebooted the entire concept and meant the Hawkman in JLI couldn't have been there and...oh, I'm so not going into that rabbit hole. Needless to say, Hawky was one of the most f'ed-over in the entire reboot. It also meant Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman weren't part of the original Justice League. All of the future timelines (Legion, Kamandi, the Rip Hunter stuff, OMAC, etc) were crunched into one direct timeline that couldn't possibly work since some of their concepts and events were at direct odds with one another. I won't even get into all of the "there's only one Earth/reality now" mandates while still publishing the early Elseworlds or Super Powers stuff, which all took place outside that reality.

You know what's a continuity disaster that hasn't been addressed? Green Lantern Corps. Yeah Secret Origin replaced Emeral Dawn I and II but besides that? Hal's history is stil intact. As is Kyle's. As is John's. As is Guy's.

How in the hell do they fit? Did Zero Hour happened in the New52? The Sinestro Corps War did! Was Hal ever the Spectre? Did Kyle join the JLA?

That is one of the main things usually brought up with New 52's continuity issues.

All of Green Lantern and Batman happened just condensed.

Which makes no god damned sense.

How did Blackest Night happen if half the people not only never died but never existed?

How did Batman have no less than 4 Robins in what was stated to be like a 5 year period... in that same period Barbara was Batgirl, paralyzed by the joker... became Oracle ... and got surgery and was just starting out as Batgirl again as it started.

[CMWaters]

May 10, 2017 20:56:45 GMT -5 MrElijah said:

May 10, 2017 19:12:43 GMT -5 Joe Neglia said:

I know he touched on the mess that occurred right after Crisis, but it was a massive disaster in ways on the level of the NU52 reboot. Not only did it set up things so that Wonder Woman "hadn't existed" yet in-story (she wouldn't make her true post-Crisis debut until a few issues into the Legends event mini a year later) and the whole Superboy never existed thing wiped out his Legion history, but there was so much more. DC didn't have all of its post-Crisis ducks in order and no one had any idea what was still in-continuity or not (just like NU52). Hawkman got one of the biggest ends of that stick. They left him in limbo for a couple of years before bringing him back in JLI, but then immediately followed that up with a new series that rebooted the entire concept and meant the Hawkman in JLI couldn't have been there and...oh, I'm so not going into that rabbit hole. Needless to say, Hawky was one of the most f'ed-over in the entire reboot. It also meant Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman weren't part of the original Justice League. All of the future timelines (Legion, Kamandi, the Rip Hunter stuff, OMAC, etc) were crunched into one direct timeline that couldn't possibly work since some of their concepts and events were at direct odds with one another. I won't even get into all of the "there's only one Earth/reality now" mandates while still publishing the early Elseworlds or Super Powers stuff, which all took place outside that reality.

You know what's a continuity disaster that hasn't been addressed? Green Lantern Corps. Yeah Secret Origin replaced Emeral Dawn I and II but besides that? Hal's history is stil intact. As is Kyle's. As is John's. As is Guy's.

How in the hell do they fit? Did Zero Hour happened in the New52? The Sinestro Corps War did! Was Hal ever the Spectre? Did Kyle join the JLA?

May 10, 2017 21:47:13 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

That is one of the main things usually brought up with New 52's continuity issues.

All of Green Lantern and Batman happened just condensed.

Which makes no god damned sense.

How did Blackest Night happen if half the people not only never died but never existed?

How did Batman have no less than 4 Robins in what was stated to be like a 5 year period... in that same period Barbara was Batgirl, paralyzed by the joker... became Oracle ... and got surgery and was just starting out as Batgirl again as it started.

Honestly, Linkara actually did address the major failing with reference to all that in his April Fool's video this past year (which, while a parody of another online critic, did bring up good points)