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Post by Richard on Aug 12, 2017 13:11:16 GMT -5
Makes sense for Vince to trust Cena's judgement. The question if Cena abuses that naturally pops up but I honestly do not think he does. I think he'd fall more into the trap of being too isolated, too in the bubble and would miss or misunderstand something causing issues.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 13:12:09 GMT -5
I don't think Dolph is that great either, but this is like the pot calling the kettle black. John Cena sucks in the ring, You say that but Cena 9 times out of 10 has the crowd actively engaged for his matches. It specifically mentions Cena not being impressed by Dolph's ability to call a match. Which has to do with putting spots in the right place to get reactions. Being able to do superkicks or reverse ranas doesn't matter much when the crowd doesn't give a shit. Yes, we know from your sig that you love John Cena.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 12, 2017 13:14:16 GMT -5
You say that but Cena 9 times out of 10 has the crowd actively engaged for his matches. It specifically mentions Cena not being impressed by Dolph's ability to call a match. Which has to do with putting spots in the right place to get reactions. Being able to do superkicks or reverse ranas doesn't matter much when the crowd doesn't give a shit. Yes, we know from your sig that you love John Cena. And that invalidates my opinion? Im not a blind fanboy. The flag match at Battleground was garbage. I just think some fans need to get out of the move execution headspace alittle bit. Its all phony. What matters is the crowd being into the match and following the flow of the thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 13:17:37 GMT -5
Yes, we know from your sig that you love John Cena. And that invalidates my opinion? Im not a blind fanboy. The flag match at Battleground was garbage. I just think some fans need to get out of the move execution headspace alittle bit. Its all phony. What matters is the crowd being into the match and following the flow of the thing. I never said it invalidated your opinion, it just makes it unsurprising. And if the crowd is supposed to get into the flow of the match, and he sucks at making his moves flow, doesn't that mean his matches suck? You can like Cena if you want, 90% of the crowd can like Cena if they want, it doesn't change the fact that I think he sucks.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 12, 2017 13:28:21 GMT -5
Boy will Ziggler stink up the joint in tna too
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Post by edgestar on Aug 12, 2017 13:29:40 GMT -5
Ziggler was buns as a heel so I think Big Match John had a point I read this as "Ziggler has buns of steel" and couldn't figure out why Cena would hate him for that. I just fell off the couch, from laughing at this.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 12, 2017 13:36:11 GMT -5
Makes sense for Vince to trust Cena's judgement. The question if Cena abuses that naturally pops up but I honestly do not think he does. I think he'd fall more into the trap of being too isolated, too in the bubble and would miss or misunderstand something causing issues. I feel like sometimes Vince doesn't seem to believe in Cena's judgment on talent and only does it for a short time to amuse him before either losing interest or being quick to react. Which seems weird considering how much money he's made and how much more money he might want to make. But then that's a wider issue in the company about that sort of thing so it's probably not just down to Vince in that regard. On the other hand, I'm always on the boat of "If someone gets over, you try and make sure to keep them over" but then that's not the easiest thing to do either sometimes with someone like Dolph who isn't as able to adapt as others on the roster are.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 13:38:23 GMT -5
Ziggler should yell spots loud enough for Maffew to create a "Ziggler talks too much" segment on Botchamania.
That might impress Big Match John.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Aug 12, 2017 13:44:33 GMT -5
That's fair. A guy is given an opportunity to work at the top and doesn't make the grade.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 12, 2017 14:31:02 GMT -5
Isn't Cena the one that "almost gave up" on Punk early on?
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Aug 12, 2017 14:34:26 GMT -5
My biggest gripe is the way he awkwardly moves. He doesn't have the fluid motion of a good pro wrestler, and his moves don't look like they hurt. His punches look weak, his STF doesn't even look like he's actually stretching his opponent, etc. This sums up how I feel Cena moves in the ring. Language warning.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Aug 12, 2017 14:37:39 GMT -5
Yes, we know from your sig that you love John Cena. And that invalidates my opinion? Im not a blind fanboy. The flag match at Battleground was garbage. I just think some fans need to get out of the move execution headspace alittle bit. Its all phony. What matters is the crowd being into the match and following the flow of the thing. I'm part of "the crowd" and I count and I can't get into a Cena match because of how incredibly shitty his move execution is and how clumsy he is overall. I also think his mannerisms are cringe-worthy. And I hate his "smarky break the fourth wall" promos. And on and on...
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Post by The Trashman on Aug 12, 2017 14:42:54 GMT -5
I'm no big fan of Cena, but I remember a lot more "good" Cena matches than Ziggler ones.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 12, 2017 14:46:15 GMT -5
I know this is gonna be a shit storm but Cena usually has a decent eye for talent. All the people that he reportedly disliked were kinda lame in-ring. FWIW, Cena's previously bigged up Cesaro and Luke Harper as two guys he thinks are underrated/underutilised by WWE. He also talked up Evan Bourn/Matt Sydal when he was being used pretty much solely as a jobber.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Aug 12, 2017 17:15:10 GMT -5
Isn't Cena the one that "almost gave up" on Punk early on? Depends on the criteria and how early on you mean. If McMahon wanted an assessment of Punk from Cena with the criteria being, "Will this guy replace you as the franchise player one day?" then Cena was probably correct. If the criteria was, "Does he deserve a spot on the main event roster?" then Cena was probably wrong.
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Post by mizerable on Aug 12, 2017 17:19:19 GMT -5
Because that's how it works, you only rise to the top if the top guys in the company think you're good enough.
It's not as if Cena initially got over on the fan base being unified behind him or something.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 12, 2017 18:13:28 GMT -5
Yes, we know from your sig that you love John Cena. And that invalidates my opinion? Im not a blind fanboy. The flag match at Battleground was garbage. I just think some fans need to get out of the move execution headspace alittle bit. Its all phony. What matters is the crowd being into the match and following the flow of the thing. I sort of agree with this, but I also understand why most people wouldn't. It doesn't bother me that Cena lumbers around like a gorilla and his moves aren't perfectly done (ie : his Erik Watts-style Dropkicks). Sometimes it makes things look too choreographed when everyone is able to perform a move the exact same way. But again, I get why people would hate on that, too, so who am I to say anything, really?
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Post by bootytea on Aug 12, 2017 18:31:06 GMT -5
I wonder how he feels being dropped on his head, I guess time will tell... Poor Ziggler though. This reminds me of Randy killing Kofi's push in 2009. The odd thing is both guys improve when it's too late, Kofi moreso. I'm reading rumors of Ziggler repackaging, maybe he will come to the ring in dreadlocks. I honestly have no clue if there's any way to salvage Dolph..
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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 12, 2017 18:31:29 GMT -5
Isn't Cena the one that "almost gave up" on Punk early on? Depends on the criteria and how early on you mean. If McMahon wanted an assessment of Punk from Cena with the criteria being, "Will this guy replace you as the franchise player one day?" then Cena was probably correct. If the criteria was, "Does he deserve a spot on the main event roster?" then Cena was probably wrong. Story goes, according to Cena himself, Cena was really excited to see what this Punk guy was really all about after hearing so much about him. Punk came onto WWECW and Cena was less than impressed to put it lightly. Loudly let everyone know as such too, including those higher up within the company. He since has admitted he was wrong.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Aug 12, 2017 18:44:48 GMT -5
I don't think Dolph is that great either, but this is like the pot calling the kettle black. John Cena sucks in the ring, You say that but Cena 9 times out of 10 has the crowd actively engaged for his matches. It specifically mentions Cena not being impressed by Dolph's ability to call a match. Which has to do with putting spots in the right place to get reactions. Being able to do superkicks or reverse ranas doesn't matter much when the crowd doesn't give a shit. I've never given a shit about Dolph Ziggler, not even when he was shaking hands with people.
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