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Post by mcstoklasa on Aug 14, 2017 10:02:43 GMT -5
I think the simpsons was still pretty good up till about season 12 or so
Angry dad was in series 13, I liked that too
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Post by wildojinx on Aug 14, 2017 11:32:58 GMT -5
We cant forget the period where they started using extremely crass humor, with Large Marge being the nadir. Yeah, there were TONS of sexual jokes in the classic years, but they were done in a somewhat more classy way. Surprised the video didnt discuss how Treehouse of Horror went from homages to classic horror stories to just parodies of movies, and not just horror movies either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 11:33:57 GMT -5
i feel blessed that my youth coincided with the Simpsons hitting its peak. stopped watching around season 9, after noticing the show dropped in quality during 8. i remember realising the show was no longer the same during the Alec Baldwin episode. the episode was literally about the fact there were famous people on the show. "zombie simpsons" is the PERFECT way to describe it now. I think there's enough about the Baldwin / Basinger episode to still be funny, though. Like the very last freeze frame shot of Ron Howard makes me laugh. Part of that episode revolved around Homer's difficulty in deciding to honor his new friends wishes or to spill the beans for notoriety. I personally consider Season 9 & 10 the "bridge" seasons from when the show was good as a whole & when it became a parody of itself. Obviously, there are real stinkers like "The Principal and The Pauper", "Miracle on Evergreen Terrace", & "Simpsons Bible Stories", but there is something that keeps me interested. Season 11 & beyond, however, is hard to watch.
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Post by zappa on Aug 14, 2017 11:42:13 GMT -5
Simpsons seasons 3-8 is the peak of television.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 14, 2017 12:08:42 GMT -5
Fantastic analysis. Love the "now boarding fat guys" example.
I don't think I've regularly watched it since high school, so 2004? I can't believe it is still going, and I can hardly imagine how soulless it must be by now.
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Post by Ron Woodsman aka Shempaholic on Aug 14, 2017 14:04:24 GMT -5
For me, the Alec Baldwin/Kim Basinger/Ron Howard episode from Season 10 was the first time I really thought "What the hell has happened to this show?"
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 14, 2017 14:13:16 GMT -5
There's still some gems from the newer seasons like "Politically Inept with Homer Simpson" and the future Christmas episode with Barts sons. The seasons now aren't as bad as 19-25
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Post by Malcolm on Aug 14, 2017 14:13:52 GMT -5
For me, the Alec Baldwin/Kim Basinger/Ron Howard episode from Season 10 was the first time I really thought "What the hell has happened to this show?" For me it was the jockey elves.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 14, 2017 16:03:02 GMT -5
In the early seasons if a celebrity did a voice on the show they would usually play an original character. That changed. Celebrities began appearing as themselves in ever more contrived scenarios. That's a problem because the original characters they voiced would have a story attached to them, like Dustin Hoffman's appearance for example. To be fair, they had celebs as themselves as early as season 2 (Tony Bennett). Yeah but it had a joke accompanying it, that being the absurdity of Capital City being so awesome, Tony Bennett actually sings on street corners about how awesome the city is.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 14, 2017 21:08:48 GMT -5
It's kind of funny to consider how some of the ideas discussed here can be applied when talking to other series that at least seem nominally related to The Simpsons.
South Park has lasted a long time and can still be a very strong show, albeit with quality swings that sometimes vary on a seasonal basis at different points in its history, in part because it was a show founded on not being particularly character-based. That doesn't mean there aren't fun or interesting characters on the show, but character was never a point of focus in crafting the show's scripts or scenarios the boys would find themselves in, so there's a lot less work that goes into putting South Park scripts together than, say, a classic Simpsons script that went through thirty revisions. It shares a desire that classic Simpsons had to skewer and tear apart pop and celebrity culture, but not the character-based consistency and storytelling.
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia is a show that, like The Simpsons, eschews laugh tracks and doesn't particularly base its humor on simplistic "set up --> punchline --> laughter" structures. However, it's also not a show that worries much about instilling heart into its stories to any serious degree, as a huge component of what makes the show so great is that it revolves around putting awful people, who just so happen to be our protagonists, into situations typically of their own making that most often blow up in their faces due to their own amorality, selfishness, or general ignorance. Also, its humor delivery comes in large part from the speaking and riffing skills of its actors, and less from structured scripting. This flexibility is another factor that has allowed it to remain so funny so many years into its lifespan.
In a way, adhering to its founding principles put a time limit on long The Simpsons could go while remaining relevant and true to itself, if just because it was a lot to work with, necessitating things like the thirty-plus revisions mentioned in the video, and yet it still managed to be extremely high quality for around eight entire seasons, a feat that very few shows can claim. Having less of those principles in place allows for greater flexibility, and thus the ability to stay funny and entertaining for a longer stretch of time, but keeps those shows from attaining the dizzying creative heights The Simpsons hit during its earliest days.
And yet, personally speaking I've felt that Family Guy hasn't had much staying power in terms of its overall quality because it took that flexibility to such an extreme that, really, it's hard to identify just what the heck Family Guy is as a show. It was fresh, exciting, and new in its first couple of seasons, but the lack of care for its character treatment, its uneven approach to satire, and its lack of heart over time just made it a seeming random assortment of jokes with the surrounding setting and characters only acting as a framing device for them. Really goes to show just how tough it was to do what classic Simpsons did, and what a sweet spot they hit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 22:10:37 GMT -5
For me, the Alec Baldwin/Kim Basinger/Ron Howard episode from Season 10 was the first time I really thought "What the hell has happened to this show?" For me it was the jockey elves. Me? "Simpson Safari".
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Post by segaz on Aug 17, 2017 4:50:03 GMT -5
Season 9 is the last great season in my opinion. It has so many great episodes that it's short comings can be over looked.
For me PatP was annoying only in the ending, because the real Seymour Skinner delivered a good line before it. You can't just get rid of someone just because you like this other guy better. I honestly wanted to see how they'd deal with that going forward, and the crappy wrap up always annoyed me.
Same with the beer baron from an earlier season, he brings up a good point in the Simpsons universe, they can't go around choosing which laws they want to obey. Things like this always appeal to me because it's like stepping back a little and saying what's the right way, what's the ethical way to continue. Does even our wacky community have to abide by morals? Of course i should have expected the simpsons to just play it off because it's a comedy, but still.....i was hoping for something more.
Anyway, i love all of season 9. I think what helps is that all the showrunners are involved, plus they still have strong drive from season 8. Scully isn't quite unhinged here, and i actually really like the guy personally, he sounds like a decent person.
10 is where i thought things started to become a little unhinged. Too much fast paced quick throwaway humour, things like Nessie owning a casino which even the commentary admits is a crappy ending....there are some good episodes still however.
11 and 12 show why showrunners used to only have 2 years. They really went off the wall here. There's funny moments and creativity always but the show just seemed to have lost a step. Way too fast paced, jokes with no charm.....
13 has the defining moment where i stopped watching the show. The episode where Bart digs the hole in the beginning. It got my interest, only for it to be literally just a throwaway gag. I thought wow. That's just dumb.
Family guy is a different matter, they developed a unique funny charm in the first 2/3 seasons only to throw it all away after they returned. They had their own style so to speak and were genuinely funny as well. It wasn't just standing around waiting for a joke. Even better than Simpsons 11 and 12 imo.
Season 4 onwards the show was never the same. Angrier, edgier, more in your face ....i admit i enjoyed some jokes afterwards but it's not the same, and i think it really lost interest for me around the whole murder mystery episode with Dianne. It wasn't funny for me, it was just basic. Sure it was a mystery but onlybecause I didn't know what was going to happen, not because it was compelling.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 17, 2017 5:17:01 GMT -5
HAVE NO FEARS, WE HAVE STORIES FOR YEARS!!
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Aug 17, 2017 5:20:02 GMT -5
There was some episode where Homer was stupid because he had a crayon or pencil up his nose, and I was like, 'yeah, I'm out'.
I'm pretty sure I haven't watched since then.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 17, 2017 8:50:36 GMT -5
There was some episode where Homer was stupid because he had a crayon or pencil up his nose, and I was like, 'yeah, I'm out'. I'm pretty sure I haven't watched since then. That one actually won an Emmy.
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Post by dav on Aug 17, 2017 9:11:55 GMT -5
There was some episode where Homer was stupid because he had a crayon or pencil up his nose, and I was like, 'yeah, I'm out'. I'm pretty sure I haven't watched since then. That one actually won an Emmy.
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Post by theironyuppie on Aug 23, 2017 8:31:53 GMT -5
Should have ended with the movie I'd wanted a Simpsons movie since I was a kid, and I know it was in development for a while but I found the story really underwhelming for there finally being a Simpsons movie. It was focus grouped to death, apparently. For those who have the time, this is a good look at the show's fall, and what made it so special in the first place: deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/
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Post by Lupin the Third on Aug 23, 2017 10:17:15 GMT -5
I consider Season 11 the end of the series, just because then it ends perfectly with Behind The Laughter I feel the Behind the Laughter episode to be the moment the series officially "Jumped the Shark."
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 23, 2017 18:16:40 GMT -5
For as far from what it was that has fallen, each episode still contains the best joke on TV that week by far. Sometimes they're amazing too and as good as any old school gag.
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Aug 23, 2017 18:42:08 GMT -5
There was some episode where Homer was stupid because he had a crayon or pencil up his nose, and I was like, 'yeah, I'm out'. I'm pretty sure I haven't watched since then. That one actually won an Emmy.
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