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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 9:07:19 GMT -5
Hologram during the Ambrose/Rollins match pure 90s WCW rubbish. Even if Jinder loses the title tomorrow and goes back to his old position on the card Bray will still go down as the most forgettable WWE champ in history. Stg Slaughter is happy with that.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 5, 2017 9:14:08 GMT -5
I don't care about Bray, but I also think that if you took the core of his character at its best and put into a company like LU or hell even better literally any other medium, it could be a whole lot better than what's here now. "Charismatic swamp cult leader claiming to be infested with demons and spinning a nihilistic thread that draws scary followers" could honestly be a neat thing in a show that isn't TV-PG and bothers to write him as a competent and real threat. How much of a reason to care about Bray is there when in-universe nobody has ever been given one?
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Sept 5, 2017 9:52:10 GMT -5
I've pretty much never liked anything he's ever done other than that one great match with Daniel Bryan at the Royal Rumble.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 5, 2017 10:01:17 GMT -5
I was sick of his repetitive nonsense promos pretty damned quick... especially as they never went anywhere, either he wins or he loses... then he attacks another random face for his reasons. I think I completely tapped out either that one promo he pretended to speak in tongues or Bray's sing along time featuring the Wyatt's children Choir I didn't follow his NXT stuff, so once he was exposed in the ring in that Kane match, that was it for me as far as him being a wrestler. He sucked. They could have done damage control and had other people used to build up credibility the way a manager back in the day would. With this, Bray would be protected NO MATTER WHAT and the guy who would work the matches (let's say in this case Luke Harper) and reap the kayfabe awards. Oh, Luke loses and gets kicked out of the family? Face turn and reignited momentum. Wrestling isn't hard. Bray shouldn't have been the focal point in the ring, that was the biggest mistake right there. It helped no one else in the 'family' and it exposed how little of a threat Bray is. If anything, Bray Wyatt is a perfect example of what NOT to do when booking and writing. That was always a weird choice with Bray. The obvious with him was to by and large have him sit at ringside watching his minions do the work for him, with it basically being a thing where he only really gets involved when it's needed and any time he does it means shit's going down. Bray should've been like the final boss for his group and instead it was basically Cajun Legacy with the one semi-competent wrestler and his two bumbling goons. Seriously, he's a cult leader... CULT LEADERS DON'T GET THEIR HANDS DIRTY... they have people for that.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Sept 5, 2017 10:20:39 GMT -5
The inferno match with Kane. There was nothing to gain from it. And the match itself sucks.
Then when the Wyatts were beat by Cena.
Bray has been a goober.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 5, 2017 10:54:32 GMT -5
Meh, I still generally enjoy him. I don't have him in my WWE Top Ten at the moment, but I've never minded his presence on the shows. My problem with Bray has always been that he creates a sort of booking conundrum. From what I hear from others the best way to book him is to make him the center of the program. Make him some sort god-like presence over the show. The problem is unless you are named HHH or John Cena that benefit won't apply to you. Bray's biggest character flaw is he can't really work as a side attraction in the WWE universe. Unlike the Undertaker who in the 2000s usually just hung around by himself, Bray tries to convert people to follow him as a disciple. It's hard to take that seriously when a segment later you see Somo Jo walk to the ring like nothing has happen. Difficult to take someone as a threat when other wrestler just ignore the "evil" acts Bray commits. Even worse he is not that great of a wrestler where he can cover up lackadaisical programs with great wrestling matches. He's fine but he needs his character work to bring interest into a match not his ring work. This is true. Bray is written as a character with the kind of powers that should keep him near the main event, but he's booked as a mid-carder. It does make him harder to take seriously, whereas Undertaker and Kane were almost always hovering around the top of the card at the peak of their "fire and lightning" periods. Following that, Wyatt's abilities don't look as effective.
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Post by FAR5222 on Sept 5, 2017 11:15:10 GMT -5
The Bryan feud is the one time I cared for him and then the Cena feud happened and he just started repeating the same thing over and over again. Dude hasn't said or done anything new since his debut. I want him to go away.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 11:39:59 GMT -5
he just looks like he eats Cookie Crisp in his hotel room bed. He isn't scary or cool
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Sept 5, 2017 12:02:11 GMT -5
Around the time he was farting around a cage with Cena and winning via magical singing ghost children.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 12:21:10 GMT -5
I still care, dammit!
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 5, 2017 12:27:51 GMT -5
The guy made 'Teleporting Hillbilly' seem lame and not the most awesome thing in the world.
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Post by trollrogue on Sept 5, 2017 12:47:19 GMT -5
The inferno match with Kane. There was nothing to gain from it. And the match itself sucks. Then when the Wyatts were beat by Cena. Bray has been a goober. I loved the Inferno match and felt they should've made that Bray's "Ambrose Asylum" afterwards but it might have been a surefire fire hazard in the long run
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Post by Cyno on Sept 5, 2017 12:49:39 GMT -5
I think it was the Undertaker "feud" leading up to that Wrestlemania match for me. The gimmick just ran its course by then and it didn't really evolve or change any. Just felt really stagnant.
All the losing didn't help either. Yeah, he's the heel and heels are generally supposed to lose ultimately, but he turned into a glorified jobber to the stars.
Also didn't help that when they split up the Wyatt Family during the WWE Draft and his latest enforcer in Braun Strowman became his own man and pretty damn good monster heel in his own right.
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Post by benstudd on Sept 5, 2017 13:18:27 GMT -5
He was done after the Cena feud. I mean during the Cena feud.
Yet. They say modern stars do not have the "it" factor, they lack something. But Bray clearly was special and they took it away. MANY times. Even this year where there was hope left when he was Champ. But even that run was poorly executed. He should have been the one to win the Rumble and be the one to take it from Orton at Mania.
Now he is done. Officialy done.
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Post by Juice on Sept 5, 2017 14:12:22 GMT -5
Dreadlock numetal look. Doesn't fit the gimmick at all.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 5, 2017 14:17:43 GMT -5
Dreadlock numetal look. Doesn't fit the gimmick at all. He should cut promos like a Nu-Metal singer. Fingers draped over his face like he's trying to be super-intense and keep himself from crying, random weird grunts after each line, etc... Copy the voice of the guy that did that stupid "DURR'S UH RI-UDD ADDA BADDARAAAAAAAACK!" song from that old Slugfest baseball game.
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Post by Acrtress Flavor Saver on Sept 5, 2017 15:30:09 GMT -5
I still like Bray. I'll take Bray Wyatt over Jinder Mahal, Baron Corbin, Finn Balor, Roman Reigns or Seth Rollins any day.
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Post by nisidhe on Sept 5, 2017 15:49:22 GMT -5
I honestly thought Wyatt was done, really, as a bonafide threat when Daniel Bryan joined the family, then turned on Wyatt and beat him. Seriously, D-Bry had him pegged back then as a spent creative force. And yet, here we are, four years later.
If these are the death throes of the Bray Wyatt character, I would hope, as I've said here before, that we'd get the full extinction burst out of it so that the entire story comes out just as we have to say goodbye.
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Post by Acrtress Flavor Saver on Sept 5, 2017 17:31:17 GMT -5
Meh, I still generally enjoy him. I don't have him in my WWE Top Ten at the moment, but I've never minded his presence on the shows. My problem with Bray has always been that he creates a sort of booking conundrum. From what I hear from others the best way to book him is to make him the center of the program. Make him some sort god-like presence over the show. The problem is unless you are named HHH or John Cena that benefit won't apply to you. Bray's biggest character flaw is he can't really work as a side attraction in the WWE universe. Unlike the Undertaker who in the 2000s usually just hung around by himself, Bray tries to convert people to follow him as a disciple. It's hard to take that seriously when a segment later you see Somo Jo walk to the ring like nothing has happen. Difficult to take someone as a threat when other wrestler just ignore the "evil" acts Bray commits. Even worse he is not that great of a wrestler where he can cover up lackadaisical programs with great wrestling matches. He's fine but he needs his character work to bring interest into a match not his ring work. This is true. Bray is written as a character with the kind of powers that should keep him near the main event, but he's booked as a mid-carder. It does make him harder to take seriously, whereas Undertaker and Kane were almost always hovering around the top of the card at the peak of their "fire and lightning" periods. Following that, Wyatt's abilities don't look as effective. Bray Wyatt is near the main event. He's as close to the main event as you can be with one or more "part-timers" hanging around at any given time, and WWE putting all their eggs in the Roman Reigns basket. The only time I ever really saw Bray Wyatt as "being booked as a mid carder" were when the Wyatt Family feuded with the ECW Originals and the New Day. Otherwise, he's almost always working with the "top stars".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 17:54:15 GMT -5
1. When he started wearing a fedora 2. When it became apparent they weren't gonna actually let him 'do' anything
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