Wrestle Kingdom 12/New Years Dash

[thegoon21]

Trying to figure some things out for WK and watching the top matches live before heading to work. It looks like the event starts at 3 AM EST. How long does WK usually run? If it’s 5 hours like Mania, is it safe to say the show is over by 8 AM EST? Thanks I’m advance

[froggyfrog]

Dec 6, 2017 8:04:12 GMT -5 thegoon21 said:

Trying to figure some things out for WK and watching the top matches live before heading to work. It looks like the event starts at 3 AM EST. How long does WK usually run? If it’s 5 hours like Mania, is it safe to say the show is over by 8 AM EST? Thanks I’m advance

I wanna say it’s usually 4-5 hours

[metylerca]

Dec 6, 2017 8:04:12 GMT -5 thegoon21 said:

Trying to figure some things out for WK and watching the top matches live before heading to work. It looks like the event starts at 3 AM EST. How long does WK usually run? If it’s 5 hours like Mania, is it safe to say the show is over by 8 AM EST? Thanks I’m advance

Last year's ended after 5AM PST.

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What time does it start UK time?

[chrom]

Apparently Jericho vs Omega has gathered interest from outside sources and franchises, Wendy's to name one of them.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Dec 6, 2017 13:56:49 GMT -5 @conviction said:

What time does it start UK time?

Would be 8 AM GMT.

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Dec 6, 2017 18:15:52 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

Dec 6, 2017 13:56:49 GMT -5 @conviction said:

What time does it start UK time?

Would be 8 AM GMT.

8am Monday?

[Final Countdown Jones]

Dec 6, 2017 18:17:10 GMT -5 @conviction said:

Dec 6, 2017 18:15:52 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

Would be 8 AM GMT.

8am Monday?

No, January 4th. New Japan always do their big dome show on January 4th.

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Dec 6, 2017 18:19:16 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

Dec 6, 2017 18:17:10 GMT -5 @conviction said:

8am Monday?

No, January 4th. New Japan always do their big dome show on January 4th.

so they do lol. I'll be at work so will need to watch after.

[Feargus McReddit]

Dec 6, 2017 18:23:24 GMT -5 @conviction said:

Dec 6, 2017 18:19:16 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

No, January 4th. New Japan always do their big dome show on January 4th.

so they do lol. I'll be at work so will need to watch after.

A good idea, do a google search and see if anyone’s doing a post event viewing party. In Dublin, there’s actually a viewing party going on from 5pm that day to rewatch the show for people who can’t watch the first run. If we don’t end up watching it ourselves at home, that might be my next step.

[Tea & Crumpets]

Dec 6, 2017 17:37:40 GMT -5 chrom said:

Apparently Jericho vs Omega has gathered interest from outside sources and franchises, Wendy's to name one of them.

I've seen casual WWE-only fans talking about Jericho/Omega, it's making huge waves tbh and I think could honestly be what convinces WWE to let Bryan wrestle again, because based on what Jericho's oneshot has already done, Bryan jumping would turn New Japan into a legit threat overnight.

[Allie Kitsune]

Dec 8, 2017 6:48:29 GMT -5 Tea & Crumpets said:

Dec 6, 2017 17:37:40 GMT -5 chrom said:

Apparently Jericho vs Omega has gathered interest from outside sources and franchises, Wendy's to name one of them.

I've seen casual WWE-only fans talking about Jericho/Omega, it's making huge waves tbh and I think could honestly be what convinces WWE to let Bryan wrestle again, because based on what Jericho's oneshot has already done, Bryan jumping would turn New Japan into a legit threat overnight.

I think no matter what, Vince has to wait until the Concussion Lawsuit is over.

Clearing Bryan while it's still in progress legitimizes the lawsuit enough that the judge won't throw it out.

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Dec 8, 2017 8:21:46 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Dec 8, 2017 6:48:29 GMT -5 Tea & Crumpets said:

I've seen casual WWE-only fans talking about Jericho/Omega, it's making huge waves tbh and I think could honestly be what convinces WWE to let Bryan wrestle again, because based on what Jericho's oneshot has already done, Bryan jumping would turn New Japan into a legit threat overnight.

I think no matter what, Vince has to wait until the Concussion Lawsuit is over.

Clearing Bryan while it's still in progress legitimizes the lawsuit enough that the judge won't throw it out.

Even if they wanted to, they can't unless Dr Maroon clears. And he has enough bad press from the concussion movie that there's no way he'll do it. So the only choice would be to let him go and bring in a doctor who will clear him, which is more bad press and gives fire to the lawsuit.

The science doesn't exist right now to prove definitively that Bryan can wrestle without fear or crippling injury or even death. Maybe a few years but not now. Right now there's too mamt variables, which is why I don't want to see him in the ring again, much as i would like to. I don't want another Shibata.

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So i rewatched the Showbuckle Naito video earlier and my days... I don't think I've been this hyped about a single match for years. For me I'd have to reach back to Cena-Punk MITB match for a match I was so invested in. The showbuckle video is amazing and could someone please link it?

The successors of Tanahashi earning the main event that was taken from them, Okadas's legendary reign, Naito's quest for acceptance and absolution. There's so much in this match that could play into it.

Don't get me wrong Omega-Jericho is cool and I love the attention it's getting,Okada-Naito is still the match I'm kiddy for

[Feargus McReddit]

Dec 8, 2017 16:17:03 GMT -5 @flaminghalo said:

So i rewatched the Showbuckle Naito video earlier and my days... I don't think I've been this hyped about a single match for years. For me I'd have to reach back to Cena-Punk MITB match for a match I was so invested in. The showbuckle video is amazing and could someone please link it?

The successors of Tanahashi earning the main event that was taken from them, Okadas's legendary reign, Naito's quest for acceptance and absolution. There's so much in this match that could play into it.

Don't get me wrong Omega-Jericho is cool and I love the attention it's getting,Okada-Naito is still the match I'm kiddy for

I'd argue that Naito/Okada has one of the best accidental builds in history, considering that most of it comes from the fact Naito's first push failed and nothing he did got properly over with the fans.

It's like a longer term version of Rocky Maivia to The Rock.

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Dec 8, 2017 17:48:27 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Dec 8, 2017 16:17:03 GMT -5 @flaminghalo said:

So i rewatched the Showbuckle Naito video earlier and my days... I don't think I've been this hyped about a single match for years. For me I'd have to reach back to Cena-Punk MITB match for a match I was so invested in. The showbuckle video is amazing and could someone please link it?

The successors of Tanahashi earning the main event that was taken from them, Okadas's legendary reign, Naito's quest for acceptance and absolution. There's so much in this match that could play into it.

Don't get me wrong Omega-Jericho is cool and I love the attention it's getting,Okada-Naito is still the match I'm kiddy for

I'd argue that Naito/Okada has one of the best accidental builds in history, considering that most of it comes from the fact Naito's first push failed and nothing he did got properly over with the fans.

It's like a longer term version of Rocky Maivia to The Rock.

Could we not argue the same about Bryan's accidental underdog push, or even Austin in terms of accidental pushes?

Wrestling is unique in how audience reaction impacts how stories are received and to my mind the Naito story is about taking that reaction and using it to it's absolute peak. 4 years ago he was a joke, now he's the leader of the most popular native stable and is treated like a 'big 3' star (Okada-Omega-Naito).

That's not a criticism btw, you're quite right. I just admire how NJPW have used that failure to make something better.

[Alice Syndrome]

Dec 8, 2017 8:54:27 GMT -5 @flaminghalo said:

Dec 8, 2017 8:21:46 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

I think no matter what, Vince has to wait until the Concussion Lawsuit is over.

Clearing Bryan while it's still in progress legitimizes the lawsuit enough that the judge won't throw it out.

Even if they wanted to, they can't unless Dr Maroon clears. And he has enough bad press from the concussion movie that there's no way he'll do it. So the only choice would be to let him go and bring in a doctor who will clear him, which is more bad press and gives fire to the lawsuit.

The science doesn't exist right now to prove definitively that Bryan can wrestle without fear or crippling injury or even death. Maybe a few years but not now. Right now there's too mamt variables, which is why I don't want to see him in the ring again, much as i would like to. I don't want another Shibata.

What about the stupid doctor that wouldn't diagnose CM Punk with a concussion the day after the Rumble because it would keep him off the show? Or is that still Maroon?

[Feargus McReddit]

Dec 8, 2017 17:59:43 GMT -5 @flaminghalo said:

Dec 8, 2017 17:48:27 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

I'd argue that Naito/Okada has one of the best accidental builds in history, considering that most of it comes from the fact Naito's first push failed and nothing he did got properly over with the fans.

It's like a longer term version of Rocky Maivia to The Rock.

Could we not argue the same about Bryan's accidental underdog push, or even Austin in terms of accidental pushes?

Wrestling is unique in how audience reaction impacts how stories are received and to my mind the Naito story is about taking that reaction and using it to it's absolute peak. 4 years ago he was a joke, now he's the leader of the most popular native stable and is treated like a 'big 3' star (Okada-Omega-Naito).

That's not a criticism btw, you're quite right. I just admire how NJPW have used that failure to make something better.

I feel like with Bryan, he was still over enough that it came off like general incompetence and being dragged into a story at almost the last minute rather than remarkable storytelling. Austin I might be able to give you, I'm trying to remember the timeline of that stuff.

It is pretty much the embodiment of making lemonade from lemons and still having faith in your top guy. Something more wrestling promotions should learn from instead of tossing a good wrestler who just had a tough break to the side.

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Dec 8, 2017 18:58:54 GMT -5 Alice Syndrome said:

Dec 8, 2017 8:54:27 GMT -5 @flaminghalo said:

Even if they wanted to, they can't unless Dr Maroon clears. And he has enough bad press from the concussion movie that there's no way he'll do it. So the only choice would be to let him go and bring in a doctor who will clear him, which is more bad press and gives fire to the lawsuit.

The science doesn't exist right now to prove definitively that Bryan can wrestle without fear or crippling injury or even death. Maybe a few years but not now. Right now there's too mamt variables, which is why I don't want to see him in the ring again, much as i would like to. I don't want another Shibata.

What about the stupid doctor that wouldn't diagnose CM Punk with a concussion the day after the Rumble because it would keep him off the show? Or is that still Maroon?

Different guy.

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Dec 8, 2017 19:11:21 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Dec 8, 2017 17:59:43 GMT -5 @flaminghalo said:

Could we not argue the same about Bryan's accidental underdog push, or even Austin in terms of accidental pushes?

Wrestling is unique in how audience reaction impacts how stories are received and to my mind the Naito story is about taking that reaction and using it to it's absolute peak. 4 years ago he was a joke, now he's the leader of the most popular native stable and is treated like a 'big 3' star (Okada-Omega-Naito).

That's not a criticism btw, you're quite right. I just admire how NJPW have used that failure to make something better.

I feel like with Bryan, he was still over enough that it came off like general incompetence and being dragged into a story at almost the last minute rather than remarkable storytelling. Austin I might be able to give you, I'm trying to remember the timeline of that stuff.

It is pretty much the embodiment of making lemonade from lemons and still having faith in your top guy. Something more wrestling promotions should learn from instead of tossing a good wrestler who just had a tough break to the side.

Exactly, Naito could easily be in an aimless Rollins or Ambrose position. Not a top guy, but not Midcard uy, just stuck in between. Or fairness, he could be like Goto.