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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 12, 2017 18:09:40 GMT -5
What WWE did to Bart Gunn at WMXV was a disgrace.
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Post by DJ Maniak on Nov 12, 2017 18:29:56 GMT -5
I love that they took Severn out because he was going to kick too much ass. Another brilliant Russo concept. Kind of surprised this didn’t resurface in WCW Really?  |
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Post by nisidhe on Nov 12, 2017 21:04:12 GMT -5
There wasn't a revolt because it was entirely optional, and people were paid for agreeing to do it. It was mostly undercarders looking for their chance at a push and TV time. If they'd told Austin that he was in this, it would have been a different story. Still, there had to have been more than a few of those with some pull who raised a stink over the concept. It might have been seen as an insult to their craft; it smacked of Vince's (both McMahon's and Russo's) disdain for pro wrestling that this was even tried. It played right into the hands of MMA bodies in its attempt to imitate them and thus make it seem as though pro wrestling wasn't good enough anymore for WWE. That it ultimately failed might have been a saving grace for WWE's positioning. Nonetheless, by that point the market for new pro wrestling talent seemed to start drying up with MMA recruiting many of the same kinds of guys. The wrestling schools were largely getting the smaller and/or less fit. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 12, 2017 23:47:35 GMT -5
I love that they took Severn out because he was going to kick too much ass. Another brilliant Russo concept. Kind of surprised this didn’t resurface in WCW To play off this, people seem to be changing the story more and more that the Brawl for All was supposed to be a way to build up to Ken Shamrock vs Dan Severn 3. It was originally supposed to be like what early UFC fights were (which can also be seen in Steve Blackman's fight against Marc Mero where he kept taking Mero down for points) but officials kept changing the rules because they thought it wouldn't be as exciting as fist fights. Shamrock pretty much backed out right away. And Severn backed out after one round due to hating the rules as well. So if you go off what those rumors are, you would have seen Severn vs Shamrock in a Lions Den match at Wrestlemania rather than Butterbean vs Bart Gunn. |
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Post by hassanchop on Nov 13, 2017 4:17:45 GMT -5
I love that they took Severn out because he was going to kick too much ass. Another brilliant Russo concept. Kind of surprised this didn’t resurface in WCW Really?  |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 13, 2017 6:34:56 GMT -5
Apparently Vince wanted to turn Bart into a real boxer that could be both in wwe and venture into boxing, so that's why they took him off tv. They had him train for months for wrestlemania. Unfortunately for Bart, they had him face a more experienced boxer in Butterbean. Butterbean even offered to do business and make Bart look good, Vince didn't know who Butterbean was and really thought Bart could take him out so he declined. Bean then f***ed him up in seconds. Vince doesn't really watches tv or knows anything other than the wwe, he didn't know Butterbean had been in like 50 boxing matches before fighting Bart. Bart Gunn left the company a short time after. Fortunately for him he got a run in Japan because he broke the myth of Dr Death Steve Williams, Doc was worshipped in Japan so Bart by knocking him out got instant credibility. the 2 other stupid parts of that are: 1) I watched every single Raw between Deadly Games and WrestleMania on the Network a while ago, and Bart appeared twice. I can't remember a single promoting piece for the fact he was boxing against a "star" like Butterbean. He just sort of showed up at Wrestlemania and oh look he's facing this guy I guess. 2) He didn't leave shortly after Mania, I'm fairly certain he got fired the moment he got backstage in one of Vince's fits of "Why is this guy not the star I want?" |
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Post by asellus on Nov 13, 2017 7:27:20 GMT -5
Wasn't this tournament thought up because Vince Russo had heard JBL bragging about his fighting powress and wanted to see if he would get knocked out?
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Nov 13, 2017 7:31:29 GMT -5
There wasn't a revolt because it was entirely optional, and people were paid for agreeing to do it. It was mostly undercarders looking for their chance at a push and TV time. If they'd told Austin that he was in this, it would have been a different story. Still, there had to have been more than a few of those with some pull who raised a stink over the concept. It might have been seen as an insult to their craft; it smacked of Vince's (both McMahon's and Russo's) disdain for pro wrestling that this was even tried. It played right into the hands of MMA bodies in its attempt to imitate them and thus make it seem as though pro wrestling wasn't good enough anymore for WWE. That it ultimately failed might have been a saving grace for WWE's positioning. Nonetheless, by that point the market for new pro wrestling talent seemed to start drying up with MMA recruiting many of the same kinds of guys. The wrestling schools were largely getting the smaller and/or less fit. They know what a shoot is and in a shoot, you can get hurt. They're injury will affect their pay check, but not mine mentality and it's 1999 WWF, paychecks are looking good so no one is walking away from that. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 13, 2017 11:40:34 GMT -5
Ken Shamrock was also offered to be in the brawl for all, but I think he passed because he didn't need to prove himself as tough and he realized that it wouldn't help his career fighting jobbers.
I'm sorry for calling them jobbers but I think they all agreed to fight out of desperation because they weren't being used on tv. Shamrock at this point was an upper midcarder and on the biggest push of his career, it would've been a demotion for him.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Nov 13, 2017 16:21:46 GMT -5
The only thing I liked about that that tournament in retrospect was ol tough guy hard ass bully Bradshaw, who was using this tournament as an excuse to shoot fight on guys, getting knocked the f*** out.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 13, 2017 21:02:45 GMT -5
It is pretty dopey they didn't try and give him some form of push out of it. I mean even if you have him be solidly ensconced in the mid-card that's at least A positive of the whole thing.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Nov 13, 2017 21:12:24 GMT -5
Bart Gunn might be as tough as nails and a bad ass fighter. But they put him in a boxing match with a professional boxer who had one hit knockout power.
There was really only one way it was going to end.
Well two, if it involved Butterbean being felled by a massive heart attack seconds before the match.
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