Justin Credible As ECW World Champion in 2000

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Dec 12, 2017 16:51:20 GMT -5 YAKMAN is ICHIBAN said:

I recall an often expressed sentiment at the time was that Credible was so lame that he could only have been champ due to possessing incriminating photos of Paul Heyman.

"If I may good sir, that wasn't me, that could be any fat guy with a skullet."

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I liked the guy.

Question out there: How did somebody explain to Great Sasuke he was putting this guy over?

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 15, 2017 18:12:52 GMT -5 @sandman said:

I liked the guy.

Question out there: How did somebody explain to Great Sasuke he was putting this guy over?

Lol didn't they claimed that Credible retired Great Sasuke?

[cabbageboy]

He wasn't that bad really. The problem is that no one bought him as champion, certainly not for a 6 month time period. But really a lot of ECW's demise during that time were things that had very little to do with Credible's drawing power or lack thereof. They could have had the belt on anyone and the WWF was still taking the TNN time slot later in 2000 if they wanted it. Heyman was still stuck with the terrible TNN deal, and was still playing a waiting game with the PPV companies. Hardcore Heaven 2000 did a solid 3,400 people at the gate and Heatwave 2000 did 5,700 in L.A. which I think was ECW's 2nd biggest attendance figure ever (behind Anarchy Rulz 1999). Anarchy Rulz 2000 where he lost the title to Lynn did 4,600 people in St. Paul, although there the attraction was Lynn going for the title in his hometown. The point is that regardless of how dubious a choice he was for champion he didn't actually draw that bad on top.

I know for a fact that the idea was that RVD was going to beat him for the title, probably at N2R 2000. The problem was that RVD was owed so much by then that he walked out after the previous PPV, hence the curious makeshift 4 way for the title. One of the all time ironies in wrestling to me is the fact that Jerry Lynn spent some of 1998 and nearly all of 1999 jobbing to RVD all the time, yet it was he and not Van Dam that actually won the ECW World title.

[Toilet Paper Roll]

He was alright... a bit if a victim of WWF at the time becoming more raunchy and hard core with better stories and production. ECW just lost its edge,

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Dec 15, 2017 19:22:14 GMT -5 cabbageboy said:

He wasn't that bad really. The problem is that no one bought him as champion, certainly not for a 6 month time period. But really a lot of ECW's demise during that time were things that had very little to do with Credible's drawing power or lack thereof. They could have had the belt on anyone and the WWF was still taking the TNN time slot later in 2000 if they wanted it. Heyman was still stuck with the terrible TNN deal, and was still playing a waiting game with the PPV companies. Hardcore Heaven 2000 did a solid 3,400 people at the gate and Heatwave 2000 did 5,700 in L.A. which I think was ECW's 2nd biggest attendance figure ever (behind Anarchy Rulz 1999). Anarchy Rulz 2000 where he lost the title to Lynn did 4,600 people in St. Paul, although there the attraction was Lynn going for the title in his hometown. The point is that regardless of how dubious a choice he was for champion he didn't actually draw that bad on top.

I know for a fact that the idea was that RVD was going to beat him for the title, probably at N2R 2000. The problem was that RVD was owed so much by then that he walked out after the previous PPV, hence the curious makeshift 4 way for the title. One of the all time ironies in wrestling to me is the fact that Jerry Lynn spent some of 1998 and nearly all of 1999 jobbing to RVD all the time, yet it was he and not Van Dam that actually won the ECW World title.

I think Rob in a recent youshoot said that Heyman didn't want to give him the belt because he was scared Van Dam was gonna walk out on ecw, and like you mentioned Paul owed him a lot of money. I think Rob was one of the few guys who never believed Heyman's lies and bullshit so he couldn't be manipulated.

Lol it was sad that in ecw's final ppv, Jerry Lynn cut the best promo of his career that from that moment on he only was working the main event every time ecw booked him, then in the main event he jobbed to RVD.

[cabbageboy]

Well, I mean Heyman's reluctance in that situation was brief since RVD left anyway. Thing is, he didn't just go to the WWF or WCW (though why a major talent would go to WCW in late 2000 would be beyond me). It's a bizarre miscommunication. Van Dam never wanted to be anywhere but ECW and certainly wouldn't have bolted with the belt.

I watched some 2000 era ECW on the Network a little while ago. It's really kind of stunning how much of a wasted year that was for Van Dam. He should have clearly been the world champion and #1 guy in the company yet once he came back from injury he did a whole lot of nothing. Finally jobbed to Lynn, had a nothing feud with Scotty Anton, drifted aimlessly for months before losing to Rhino in his rematch for the TV title, and then left the company due to the money situation. He did come back to beat Lynn yet again at GAC 2001, but it didn't mean anything. For what it's worth that show ended with an RVD/Rhino stare down, so that was clearly the direction if ECW had stayed afloat.

It's totally baffling to me. Here was an ECW that was decimated by defections and injuries, yet Heyman didn't especially push by far the biggest star on his roster. I can't wrap my head around it. It's almost similar to Goldberg circa 1999-2000 in WCW, except there political forces and sheer ineptitude killed Goldberg's heat.

[eDemento2099]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: I dug JC as ECW champ. He was totally credible for that role as far as I'm concerned.

[Natural Born Farmer]

This thread got me thinking; had ECW gone the distance, if they could have had him in some credible title matches against legit threats, could he have worked....? And I think the answer is yes. He was always a decent worker. Have him go the distance with Rhyno and win clean to put him over. Have him crush whatever WWE and WCW cast offs were willing to do the job. Presuming ECW is still around job him out to whom ever is looking like the real company flagship going forward (probably Rhyno, you could have him win it the first time around but it wouldn’t hurt to have Credible around as a threat).

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Justin Credible just work an indy while being drunk

youtu.be/ois-e64ayM4

Not sure if it deserves its own thread. Not his first time though apparently he was f***ed up back in Extreme Reunion. This is just sad and pathetic.

[Natural Born Farmer]

Dec 16, 2017 21:21:48 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Justin Credible just work an indy while being drunk

youtu.be/ois-e64ayM4

Not sure if it deserves its own thread. Not his first time though apparently he was f***ed up back in Extreme Reunion. This is just sad and pathetic.

That is really sad.

[Mozenrath]

Dec 16, 2017 21:21:48 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Justin Credible just work an indy while being drunk

youtu.be/ois-e64ayM4

Not sure if it deserves its own thread. Not his first time though apparently he was f***ed up back in Extreme Reunion. This is just sad and pathetic.

He's unfortunately acquired a bad reputation since his second WWF/WWE run, be it no-showing a tag match he was going to do with Lance Storm as the Impact Players again, and offering no explanation or apology or even bothering to contact Storm, if I recall, to Stevie Richards lambasting him for behavior like going to a show and claiming to be clean, while then trying to bum money off of people for substances. He's just in a real bad place, from the sounds of things.

[government mule]

Its amazing to think that the Portugese Jockstrap Jobber Aldo Montoya held a world title for a notable company.

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Dec 15, 2017 18:12:52 GMT -5 @sandman said:

I liked the guy.

Question out there: How did somebody explain to Great Sasuke he was putting this guy over?

Probably cash in hand.

[dreamer75]

Dec 12, 2017 17:17:19 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Dec 12, 2017 16:51:20 GMT -5 YAKMAN is ICHIBAN said:

I recall an often expressed sentiment at the time was that Credible was so lame that he could only have been champ due to possessing incriminating photos of Paul Heyman.

"If I may good sir, that wasn't me, that could be any fat guy with a skullet."

Reading this post in Prichard's Heyman voice makes this 10x funnier.