Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)
FANatic
You can either sink, swim, or be the captain....Long live the cheif
Posts: 113,409
Member is Online
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 17, 2017 22:56:09 GMT -5
I say that matter of fact but yea your face looks like a heel trying to cheat the heels to win. All of DB actions came as a result of Shane trying to stay in control and him openly not wanting to count 3 for Shane was a face over the edge.
I wonder where they are going with this but the swing has gone from Shane avenging his family against the dastardly heels to how far will he go to get rid of them even if it means stooping to their levels
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 22:57:41 GMT -5
Yessir. Shane was the one being a dick these past few weeks and even though he's doing it to heels, that doesn't mean that what he keeps doing is justified. Bryan on the other hand was the one looking sympathetic and ashamed with Shane and even he doesn't like the fact he has to help these two.
But then again, watch this be like some CM Punk 2012 shit. People ain't gonna catch the signs and they'll be like "I don't know if Shane's heel" or some "I know the WWE will turn Bryan because-" stuff. The seeds have been planted. We all should know where this is going but you know how it goes.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:00:19 GMT -5
This is the same company where Jason Jordan constantly bitches and moans about how he deserves title shots and big matches for constantly losing only for Cole to practically orgasm with excitement over how inspirational he is, so no, Shane is the face.
|
|
|
Post by sportatorium on Dec 17, 2017 23:03:09 GMT -5
This entire storyline somehow makes Bray Wyatt and Kane more relatable.
|
|
knightboat
Unicron
The Snake Roberts Ruined My Wedding
Posts: 2,720
|
Post by knightboat on Dec 17, 2017 23:05:24 GMT -5
Never under estimate the WWE's ability to present a story with a clear good guy and bad guy, but somehow get it wrong. At least this time they might try and make the most organically over face theyve had in at least a decade a heel.
|
|
|
Post by cabbageboy on Dec 17, 2017 23:05:45 GMT -5
I think Shane's deliberate stopping at 2 has to be a heel thing since it hearkened back to his screwing of Austin at Survivor Series 1998. Or maybe it was done as a weirdly nostalgic spot and meant as a face thing? I have no idea. I do know that the 2 refs crap really hurt that match tonight since it never had any flow to it because the entire thing was Shane and Bryan just arguing.
|
|
fw91
Patti Mayonnaise
FAN Idol All-Star: FAN Idol Season X and *Gavel* 2x Judges' Throwdown winner
Tribe has spoken for 2024 Mets
Posts: 39,000
Member is Online
|
Post by fw91 on Dec 17, 2017 23:30:01 GMT -5
all depends how it plays out in terms of Shane's reaction to finding out Bryan didn't break up the pin on purpose.
|
|
|
Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 17, 2017 23:44:43 GMT -5
Yessir. Shane was the one being a dick these past few weeks and even though he's doing it to heels, that doesn't mean that what he keeps doing is justified. Bryan on the other hand was the one looking sympathetic and ashamed with Shane and even he doesn't like the fact he has to help these two. But then again, watch this be like some CM Punk 2012 shit. People ain't gonna catch the signs and they'll be like "I don't know if Shane's heel" or some "I know the WWE will turn Bryan because-" stuff. The seeds have been planted. We all should know where this is going but you know how it goes. The counterpoint to this I guess is that WWE has an extreme, debilitating problem with having its faces be unlikable, unsympathetic, raging dickbags and thinking that's just what a face should be. Especially where the McMahon family is concern there is sometimes this weird myopic understanding of morality where Vince can come out and cut a face promo saying the legal system is made for rich people and he can ruin Kevin Owens's life, all to generate 'sympathy' for when Owens busts his f***ing head open. The quality of writing here is so bad that the idea of complete misunderstanding of their own story is just par for the goddamn course here. Like, you can say people are just not picking up the signs, but that is legitimately an argument that was made by people during the Roman/AJ story where no joke someone said that AJ was the only face in that whole situation and everyone else was shades of gray, and that it was definitely going to lead to a Roman heel turn. You can't discount WWE's confrontationally bad writing in matters like this.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:50:19 GMT -5
Yessir. Shane was the one being a dick these past few weeks and even though he's doing it to heels, that doesn't mean that what he keeps doing is justified. Bryan on the other hand was the one looking sympathetic and ashamed with Shane and even he doesn't like the fact he has to help these two. But then again, watch this be like some CM Punk 2012 shit. People ain't gonna catch the signs and they'll be like "I don't know if Shane's heel" or some "I know the WWE will turn Bryan because-" stuff. The seeds have been planted. We all should know where this is going but you know how it goes. The counterpoint to this I guess is that WWE has an extreme, debilitating problem with having its faces be unlikable, unsympathetic, raging dickbags and thinking that's just what a face should be. Especially where the McMahon family is concern there is sometimes this weird myopic understanding of morality where Vince can come out and cut a face promo saying the legal system is made for rich people and he can ruin Kevin Owens's life, all to generate 'sympathy' for when Owens busts his f***ing head open. The quality of writing here is so bad that the idea of complete misunderstanding of their own story is just par for the goddamn course here. Like, you can say people are just not picking up the signs, but that is legitimately an argument that was made by people during the Roman/AJ story where no joke someone said that AJ was the only face in that whole situation and everyone else was shades of gray, and that it was definitely going to lead to a Roman heel turn. You can't discount WWE's confrontationally bad writing in matters like this. I'm just saying a lot of people can't pick up signs to certain things and it's been that way for years. That Punk turn was a great example of it because even before he attacked Lawler he was doing heel antics. We can blame it on WWE's writing or we can blame it on people not picking up signs but it's nothing new. I'm not putting the blame on anyone, I'm saying it is what it is. Honestly, if you wanted Shane to have a heel turn that actually makes sense then this would be it. He doesn't need to have a sharp heel turn, it's a slow descent. It needs to be gradual which this is. He's pissed off that 2 guys he helped out are going out of their way to screw with them and gradually he does more and more stuff until the turn hits. Little by little he's done more dickish things, little by little he's acted more like an asshole, it makes sense. On Bryan's side it makes sense as well given Bryan was wanting to punish these guys and after their punishment he wants to move on but Shane's actions have him appalled. I commend them for how they're handling this storyline because it's pretty realistic. I enjoy this more natural way than an out of nowhere heel turn and then a promo the next day about why he did it outta nowhere.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:55:02 GMT -5
Shane is always the heel in my head.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:00:58 GMT -5
I have very little faith in the WWE doing anything right anymore so I fully expect the hilarity of an attempted Bryan heel turn to oppose Shane.
|
|
Chiral
Salacious Crumb
Posts: 73,607
|
Post by Chiral on Dec 18, 2017 0:19:49 GMT -5
Shane is annoying and obnoxious so obviously in WWE narrative he's the face.
|
|
|
Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Dec 18, 2017 0:45:08 GMT -5
He will be by most fans. Crowd went nuts when Bryan shoved him and got in his face.
|
|
Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)
FANatic
You can either sink, swim, or be the captain....Long live the cheif
Posts: 113,409
Member is Online
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 18, 2017 0:46:46 GMT -5
He will be by most fans. Crowd went nuts when Bryan shoved him and got in his face. The fact that they had Byron try to say Daniel was more wrong than Shane was what made it ultra hilarious for me
|
|
Malcolm
Grimlock
Wanted something done about the color of his ring.
Eternally Confused
Posts: 13,481
|
Post by Malcolm on Dec 18, 2017 0:47:12 GMT -5
The real question is who's the face in all of this besides Bryan?
|
|
Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)
FANatic
You can either sink, swim, or be the captain....Long live the cheif
Posts: 113,409
Member is Online
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 18, 2017 0:52:08 GMT -5
Yessir. Shane was the one being a dick these past few weeks and even though he's doing it to heels, that doesn't mean that what he keeps doing is justified. Bryan on the other hand was the one looking sympathetic and ashamed with Shane and even he doesn't like the fact he has to help these two. But then again, watch this be like some CM Punk 2012 shit. People ain't gonna catch the signs and they'll be like "I don't know if Shane's heel" or some "I know the WWE will turn Bryan because-" stuff. The seeds have been planted. We all should know where this is going but you know how it goes. What's funny is they had Byron trying to play it up like DB was more wrong than Shane who clearly stopped counting and DB counted fast because Shane wasn't being impartial Byron was like this at the desk:
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:59:07 GMT -5
Yessir. Shane was the one being a dick these past few weeks and even though he's doing it to heels, that doesn't mean that what he keeps doing is justified. Bryan on the other hand was the one looking sympathetic and ashamed with Shane and even he doesn't like the fact he has to help these two. But then again, watch this be like some CM Punk 2012 shit. People ain't gonna catch the signs and they'll be like "I don't know if Shane's heel" or some "I know the WWE will turn Bryan because-" stuff. The seeds have been planted. We all should know where this is going but you know how it goes. What's funny is they had Byron trying to play it up like DB was more wrong than Shane who clearly stopped counting and DB counted fast because Shane wasn't being impartial Byron was like this at the desk: Nooooooooooooooooooooooo LMFAO Byron was praying that moment. Bryan threw him off beat lol.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 1:21:32 GMT -5
Shane would be better off doing a turn right out of the parking lot and just never coming back.
|
|
Reflecto
Hank Scorpio
The Sorceress' Knight
Posts: 6,847
|
Post by Reflecto on Dec 18, 2017 1:45:44 GMT -5
[The counterpoint to this I guess is that WWE has an extreme, debilitating problem with having its faces be unlikable, unsympathetic, raging dickbags and thinking that's just what a face should be. Especially where the McMahon family is concern there is sometimes this weird myopic understanding of morality where Vince can come out and cut a face promo saying the legal system is made for rich people and he can ruin Kevin Owens's life, all to generate 'sympathy' for when Owens busts his f***ing head open. The quality of writing here is so bad that the idea of complete misunderstanding of their own story is just par for the goddamn course here. Like, you can say people are just not picking up the signs, but that is legitimately an argument that was made by people during the Roman/AJ story where no joke someone said that AJ was the only face in that whole situation and everyone else was shades of gray, and that it was definitely going to lead to a Roman heel turn. You can't discount WWE's confrontationally bad writing in matters like this. But that ties to the other side of the mix...face/heel dynamics are basically dead as it is. Right now, there is no face or heel- there's "Whoever I like is the hero, and I'll justify it if they're a heel", and "Whoever I dislike is the heel, and I'll justify why they're evil if they're a face." That alone is a problem- in addition to WWE's confrontationally bad writing, you EQUALLY have to blame the fact that fans just have their own personal ideas of who the heroes and villains are, and it has nothing to do with what they see on the TV screen. If anything, it actually IS more important than even the bad writing, because it wouldn't be fixed if WWE stopped writing poorly. Vince coming out and saying the legal system is for rich people and he can ruin Kevin Owens's life and that's a face promo- but at the same time, it's equally important that even if WWE wrote storylines as good as you'd see on prestige television...hell, even if WWE just settled for making Kevin Owens so cartoonishly evil there's no question that he's the bad guy- EVEN THEN, there'd still be a large portion of fans who'd decide "he's Kevin Steen so he's the good guy".
|
|
|
Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 18, 2017 1:48:17 GMT -5
What was the eye poke thing?
|
|