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Post by Baby, it’s Jes outside on Dec 19, 2017 12:29:34 GMT -5
I have to say Ted Dibiase. Million dollar man, check. Despised heel, check. One of my all-time favorites, check. But he wasn't the "cool" the nwo supposedly represented.
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Post by ronnie2hotty on Dec 19, 2017 12:54:50 GMT -5
With VK Wallstreet jumping ship, it at least made sense with the Ted Dibiase connection. Same with Virgil. As diluted as the NWO seemed to get with after that first "Either with us or against us" promo, it at least made sense in that they needed those kind of midcard acts without having to do recruitment angles for everyone. Plus, that made it easy to get people without the WWF connection.
The two biggest names that seemed to stick out is 1. The Giant and 2. Randy Savage.
1. The Giant: I can't remember now off the top of my head how it was explained, but I don't remember it being much of an explanation. Now, if it was explained that Dibiase bought The Giant because he was such a monster and he was tired of Kevin Sullivan's cornball Dungeon of Doom, then ok, I'm cool with that. But, I don't think it was explained that way. Perhaps the worst part is that after the Wolfpac split, he rejoined the black and white without much of an explanation again after being kicked out originally.
2. Randy Savage: If I remember correctly, first he starts off fighting for WCW, then he loses his title match to Hogan at Halloween Havoc, then Savage starts hanging out in the rafters with Sting, then Savage confusingly joins the NWO out of nowhere with not a whole lot of speculation as to why he joined after it was known that Sting was anti-NWO. Then disappears after an injury and it was never mentioned again. So weird.
Same with Wolfpac era Sting and Wolfpac era Lex Luger.
Same with Dusty Rhodes joining.
Honorable mention for shark jumping moment is when Disco Inferno joined.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 19, 2017 12:58:30 GMT -5
I think the glut of members issue could have probably been solved if they kicked guys out more often than they did, outside of when everyone who mattered got moved to the Wolfpac because that was the cool thing.
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Post by TGM on Dec 19, 2017 14:13:17 GMT -5
1. The Giant: I can't remember now off the top of my head how it was explained, but I don't remember it being much of an explanation. Now, if it was explained that Dibiase bought The Giant because he was such a monster and he was tired of Kevin Sullivan's cornball Dungeon of Doom, then ok, I'm cool with that. But, I don't think it was explained that way. Perhaps the worst part is that after the Wolfpac split, he rejoined the black and white without much of an explanation again after being kicked out originally. 2. Randy Savage: If I remember correctly, first he starts off fighting for WCW, then he loses his title match to Hogan at Halloween Havoc, then Savage starts hanging out in the rafters with Sting, then Savage confusingly joins the NWO out of nowhere with not a whole lot of speculation as to why he joined after it was known that Sting was anti-NWO. Then disappears after an injury and it was never mentioned again. So weird. As a kid watching at the time, it made complete sense to me that The Giant would join up with NWO Hollywood even after all the beat downs and spray painting because he just hated Kevin Nash so much he was willing to forget about everything else. I never realised that he had been in the NWO previous to this, so when I saw him wearing Hollywood colours, 11 year old me was amazed. Savage is an odd one. By the time I started watching WCW his feud with DDP was pretty much over bar some jabs in interviews. I never knew the "rafters" Savage until recently and that really is interesting to me. For an actual answer, I think by the time Stevie Ray joined I realised that the NWO was pretty lame.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 19, 2017 15:13:07 GMT -5
Savage is an odd one. By the time I started watching WCW his feud with DDP was pretty much over bar some jabs in interviews. I never knew the "rafters" Savage until recently and that really is interesting to me. Yeah, the whole thing was starting to get really interesting, then it just got swept to the side with no explanation. Sting starts "testing" the babyfaces via intimidation. Savage doesn't flinch and stands his ground, so Sting takes him with him, then they start doing the same to others, but they (DDP, Rick Steiner) fail the test because they flinched at the last second and Sting/Savage walk away without them. Then outta nowhere, Savage does a run-in at the PPV and new NWO member.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 19, 2017 15:19:14 GMT -5
Bischoff and Dibiase
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 19, 2017 17:48:51 GMT -5
I distinctly remember, when Big Bubba joined, thinking, "But isn't this supposed to be the edgy, cool group?" Allegedly Bischoff signed Big Bubba while being drunk and regretted his large contract immediately, I think that's why they put him in the nWo because they had nothing for him. It's crazy that Bischoff thought Bubba was washed up but Vince got another run out of the Big Bossman in the late 90s.
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Post by TGM on Dec 19, 2017 18:17:25 GMT -5
Savage is an odd one. By the time I started watching WCW his feud with DDP was pretty much over bar some jabs in interviews. I never knew the "rafters" Savage until recently and that really is interesting to me. Yeah, the whole thing was starting to get really interesting, then it just got swept to the side with no explanation. Sting starts "testing" the babyfaces via intimidation. Savage doesn't flinch and stands his ground, so Sting takes him with him, then they start doing the same to others, but they (DDP, Rick Steiner) fail the test because they flinched at the last second and Sting/Savage walk away without them. Then outta nowhere, Savage does a run-in at the PPV and new NWO member. Ironic because DDP and Rick Steiner never joined the NWO Proper.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 23:03:47 GMT -5
I have to say Ted Dibiase. Million dollar man, check. Despised heel, check. One of my all-time favorites, check. But he wasn't the "cool" the nwo supposedly represented. Dibiase at least made sense with the WWF connection and kayfabe money being his gimmick. The answer for me was always the Giant. He was boring as hell and did not fit in with the group. Dibiase and Syxx were good adds. The Giant always felt “WTF?” to me.
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Post by efarns on Dec 19, 2017 23:18:06 GMT -5
My pick, however, is Randy Savage. It was pointless. He had just been feuding with them. He didn't fit. That's how I felt at the time too. I never had a problem with the nWo B team-- it felt in line with the entire takeover angle that as the nWo kept kicking ass, they'd start attracting their own batch of craven henchmen, happy to turn on WCW for a chance to be on the winning side. The big name defections, though, felt like they diluted the brand away from the core trio of Hogan/Nash/Hall. Yeah, that's the thing. They needed job guys or lackeys. But Savage is neither one of those and he was against them from the outset. Dusty's addition was gratuitous, but I thought the angle had jumped the shark well before Dusty joined.
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Post by thegame415 on Dec 20, 2017 12:03:56 GMT -5
I think the B team was mostly just to get the nWo brand on the show and try getting them over by association.
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Post by agent817 on Dec 20, 2017 12:59:38 GMT -5
What about Horace? I know that Dusty and Savage were odd choices to bring in, as well as Brian Adams, but seriously, this guy was nothing except for the fact that he joined because of his uncle. Hell, he didn't do much in the Flock, either.
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Post by angelofapocalypse on Dec 20, 2017 13:18:01 GMT -5
So many members in a short span of time and splitting the faction in two has really made the concept lose its mystique.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Dec 20, 2017 16:34:27 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more that....yeah, it was Brian Adams. He just shows up as Bret's buddy for A segment, and by the end of the segment, he's in the nWo as a heel, having betrayed the guy very few people would have connected him to. Yeah, that's the one.
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Post by Ludwig Kaiser’s Walk on Dec 20, 2017 16:37:30 GMT -5
What about Horace? I know that Dusty and Savage were odd choices to bring in, as well as Brian Adams, but seriously, this guy was nothing except for the fact that he joined because of his uncle. Hell, he didn't do much in the Flock, either. Came here to answer Horace. I was in middle school and we had a bunch of people over for a PPV and Horace joined the nWo in the main event and we all groaned and I believe that's when most of us stopped watching WCW, because the stop sign dork from the Flock joined the badasses.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Dec 20, 2017 16:42:52 GMT -5
What about Horace? I know that Dusty and Savage were odd choices to bring in, as well as Brian Adams, but seriously, this guy was nothing except for the fact that he joined because of his uncle. Hell, he didn't do much in the Flock, either. Came here to answer Horace. I was in middle school and we had a bunch of people over for a PPV and Horace joined the nWo in the main event and we all groaned and I believe that's when most of us stopped watching WCW, because the stop sign dork from the Flock joined the badasses. The thing is, yes, Horace was a TERRIBLE nWo choice, but I feel like he was added in after we'd already entered the "dork phase" of the angle. At this point, Stevie Ray and Brian Adams were already in, as well as Dusty and The Disciple. I feel like, by the time Horace got there, we shouldn't have expected better from them.
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Post by HisRoyalGreeness on Dec 20, 2017 19:15:27 GMT -5
I was watching some old Nitros and it prompted me to text my friend asking “Is there anything less cool than Mike Rotunda in an NWO shirt and shades?” The answer was a resounding no. The only thing less cool was replacing the NWO shirt with a shirt that had a WCW logo with a line through it. So yeah, Mike Rotunda is my answer.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 20, 2017 22:26:28 GMT -5
My answer: The non-Rodman celebrities. I could understand the NWO adding some punching bags to their roster, and most of them made *some* sort of sense (the WWF connection or old Hogan buddies, etc), but they lost their "cool" factor to me when they recruited the Dinner and a Movie guy and the star of Teenage Caveman 40 years after Teenage Caveman was in theaters.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Dec 20, 2017 22:43:16 GMT -5
My answer: The non-Rodman celebrities. I could understand the NWO adding some punching bags to their roster, and most of them made *some* sort of sense (the WWF connection or old Hogan buddies, etc), but they lost their "cool" factor to me when they recruited the Dinner and a Movie guy and the star of Teenage Caveman 40 years after Teenage Caveman was in theaters. Holy shit, yeah, you just reminded me of that cringey "Dinner and A Movie" segment where they "defected". So....yeah, your lucky day, Crush, you are redeemed.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Dec 20, 2017 23:12:58 GMT -5
Dibiase was fine and honestly made more sense than Bischoff in that role. I think people tend to forgive it because Bischoff could draw heat.
I also think that the group's reputation for being cool and hip is largely in retrospect. Hall and Nash, okay, I can grant you that. Hogan always seemed like the out of touch old guy trying to be cool, which is part of why the whole thing worked so well. Syxx didn't seem cool. He seemed like the annoying dirt bag that people wouldn't interact with without using hand sanitizer immediately after. Which is part of why it worked so well.
Even though Bischoff was a great heel, I think that was the first major misstep, at least as far as my memory serves. I could be off on my timeline.
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