Omega: Nakamura hasn't had any compelling matches in WWE yet

[Bo xRida]

Dec 27, 2017 19:19:47 GMT -5 @kn said:

On the main roster? He's 100% right.

Can't blame that on Big Jind either. Remember Nakamura's first feud was with that human "4 Your Eyez Only" album aka Dolph Ziggler. He was getting his ass kicked most of his first main roster match, remember that? Nakamura was being dominated by Ziggler and their matches weren't even good. After that feud he feuded with Corbin in which Corbin not only ambushed dude but Corbin won that MITB. By the time he faced Jinder the man just finished him off. I swear, Nakamura's fall is one of the saddest out of the NXT post-Shield alumi. Hell even the announcers broke dude's gimmick. Nakamura isn't supposed to be understood, he's supposed to be an enigma. When you got Michael Cole laughing and shit it makes him look like a dork. Like I thought Nakamura was cool in NXT, I was with his actions but on the main roster he's embarrassing. I don't even wanna entertain the idea of him against Styles at WM. He ain't ready.

Yep, they can't preserve mystique on the main roster. Mostly due to the amount of TV they have to put out.

New exciting wrestlers spending most of their early matches getting beat down by standard moves has long been a pet peeve of mine (see zayn Vs stardust). I'm not one who wants jobbers every week but they're a far better way to establish a new guys move-set.

[vinnysimmo]

I feel like another big problem for Nakamura is that he manages to look both skinny and fleshy at the same time. His upper body looks bad and his lower body probably looks even worse if he chooses to wear the baggy pants. He would be a lot more credible at the tp of the card if he gained some more muscle mass.

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Dec 27, 2017 21:47:32 GMT -5 Urethra Franklin said:

Dec 27, 2017 21:16:19 GMT -5 Fade said:

The Zayn match. The Orton match. The Cena match. Only times I've enjoyed Nak in-ring since coming to Walk With Elias.

And man, for being relatively young, Omega has a great mind when it comes to wrestling.

I got to interview Omega for work earlier this year and the dude just gets it. He’s a really smart guy.

Hopefully he uses those smarts to realize how much he'd get wasted and ruined in WWE.

At least while Vince is in charge.

And to echo the other sentiment, Soulless is indeed the perfect way to describe WWE.
It's hard to have a soul in anything when everything is so micro-managed and nothing feels organic.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Omega is on the money

Nakamura had a really amazing match with Zayn when he came in and WWE has really tried their best since to make you not give a shit about such a sure thing, but it isn't just Nak, it's a ton of talent that are going through these mass produced motions that just makes everyone look like shit on top of booking favorites that just throws the entire balance off as a whole.

It's an ugly state of affairs that leads to a lot of heatless feuds, matches, and outcomes.

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I disagree personally. What makes a match compelling is down to personal preference anyway.

I don't think Omega has had any compelling matches in his career, but I'm sure others do.

[héad.casé]

Dec 28, 2017 6:07:02 GMT -5 @returnofthestryker said:

I disagree personally. What makes a match compelling is down to personal preference anyway.

I don't think Omega has had any compelling matches in his career, but I'm sure others do.

I haven’t even seen the famous 6 star rated match with Okada yet.

[bootytea]

Wow, I'm not sure what kind of influence Nakamura has, but people keep making excuses for the guy.

Bad booking aside, you can't blame the performance of an experienced wrestler on the company because there are people with less experience that do much better. All these excuses are enabling Nakamura to go out there and stink up the joint.

It doesn't really matter because the guy is over for whatever reason, but he isn't doing anything for me now. His physique doesn't help either. They want to play up how hard of a striker he is when the shots look so weak.

I don't think there's much booking that could mask his poor work.

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Dec 28, 2017 6:29:52 GMT -5 héad.casé said:

Dec 28, 2017 6:07:02 GMT -5 @returnofthestryker said:

I disagree personally. What makes a match compelling is down to personal preference anyway.

I don't think Omega has had any compelling matches in his career, but I'm sure others do.

I haven’t even seen the famous 6 star rated match with Okada yet.

I have. It was good, no doubt, but Omega feels like someone playing pro wrestler to me. I don't believe him in ring

[Clash, still not a meter maid]

There are plenty of issues with the WWE product I could mention, but Omega- as huge a fan I am of his- has also had spots in his matches that, even through they're entertaining, look choreographed in their own right.

Would that Omega/Yano match in the G1 not look out of place next to the stuff Breezango regularly does? I don't think so.

I love Nak and I wish he was booked better, but I'm going to have to side with those who are also pointing out how worn down he is physically at this point. That's another huge factor working against him.

[HMARK Center]

Dec 28, 2017 9:57:50 GMT -5 Clash, still not a meter maid said:

There are plenty of issues with the WWE product I could mention, but Omega- as huge a fan I am of his- has also had spots in his matches that, even through they're entertaining, look choreographed in their own right.

Would that Omega/Yano match in the G1 not look out of place next to the stuff Breezango regularly does? I don't think so.

I love Nak and I wish he was booked better, but I'm going to have to side with those who are also pointing out how worn down he is physically at this point. That's another huge factor working against him.

Agreed on the latter point (though I have to assume the Zayn match shows he can still deliver something big when the stage demands it), but I don't think it's as much about choreographed spots, which have to happen sometimes, as it is about a larger issue of micromanagement where the wrestlers get less overall creative input into how their matches are structured, what types of stories they tell, etc., as well as which spots they will perform therein. Basically less about spots seeming choreographed and more about who's dictating the spots to the talent.

[Surfer Sandman]

Dec 27, 2017 19:18:53 GMT -5 mrbananagrabber said:

He’s not wrong, certainly on the main roster. I honestly think they have no idea what to do with him.

Why not use that "friendship" between him and Orton to create a Nak-Orton feud? It seems like that's where they're going as we know that Orton doesn't stay friends for long with anyone. 

I just want Nak-AJ at WM like every other internet fan.

[Notifications Gone]

If WWE is soulless then NJPW is even worse. There's absolutely nothing there that compels me to give them anything more than a passing glance, and every time they get that passing glance, it confirms that sticking with WWE has been the correct call on my part by a landslide.

[HMARK Center]

Dec 28, 2017 11:12:57 GMT -5 Notifications Gone said:

If WWE is soulless then NJPW is even worse. There's absolutely nothing there that compels me to give them anything more than a passing glance, and every time they get that passing glance, it confirms that sticking with WWE has been the correct call on my part by a landslide.

Because...why?

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Dec 28, 2017 11:12:57 GMT -5 Notifications Gone said:

If WWE is soulless then NJPW is even worse. There's absolutely nothing there that compels me to give them anything more than a passing glance, and every time they get that passing glance, it confirms that sticking with WWE has been the correct call on my part by a landslide.

I wanna know what "Passing Glances" you've seen to go "Man this sucks let me go back to WWE they've been putting on the much better product!", I'm not calling NJPW perfect by any means but... wow this is a confusing statement. 

[HMARK Center]

Dec 28, 2017 13:39:26 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Dec 28, 2017 11:12:57 GMT -5 Notifications Gone said:

If WWE is soulless then NJPW is even worse. There's absolutely nothing there that compels me to give them anything more than a passing glance, and every time they get that passing glance, it confirms that sticking with WWE has been the correct call on my part by a landslide.

I wanna know what "Passing Glances" you've seen to go "Man this sucks let me go back to WWE they've been putting on the much better product!", I'm not calling NJPW perfect by any means but... wow this is a confusing statement. I get you have a lot of out there opinions being one of the biggest Roman marks on this Board already but man... I just don't understand this.

Lay off the second part of this post, please. Asking someone for more justification for their stance is fine, but no need to frame it like that.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Dec 28, 2017 13:45:26 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Dec 28, 2017 13:39:26 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

I wanna know what "Passing Glances" you've seen to go "Man this sucks let me go back to WWE they've been putting on the much better product!", I'm not calling NJPW perfect by any means but... wow this is a confusing statement. I get you have a lot of out there opinions being one of the biggest Roman marks on this Board already but man... I just don't understand this.

Lay off the second part of this post, please. Asking someone for more justification for their stance is fine, but no need to frame it like that.

Edited it, it wasn't me trying to take a shot was just me going over it in my head is all.

[HMARK Center]

Dec 28, 2017 13:50:02 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Dec 28, 2017 13:45:26 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Lay off the second part of this post, please. Asking someone for more justification for their stance is fine, but no need to frame it like that.

Edited it, it wasn't me trying to take a shot was just me going over it in my head is all.

Okey doke, thanks.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Dec 28, 2017 13:55:05 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Dec 28, 2017 13:50:02 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Edited it, it wasn't me trying to take a shot was just me going over it in my head is all.

Okey doke, thanks.

No problem. Back to the topic at hand I know regular NJPW shows can be pretty run of the Mill and not as glamorous as the big Shows they put on but to call it even more soulless than WWE and choose WWE over it cold turkey or be reaffirmed when you see it that WWE is the better choice... that's just really peculiar to me, but I know he's a person who greatly enjoys the product and doesn't find a lot to say bad about it, while that's fine, it just makes me wonder "Well then what is New Japan doing wrong to you??" 

[Bungle]

Nakamura never had a collection of great matches before WWE.

His good matches are occasional and only under special circumstances.

[Facetious]

Dec 28, 2017 14:03:09 GMT -5 Bungle said:

Nakamura never had a collection of great matches before WWE.

His good matches are occasional and only under special circumstances.

As much as I love SHIN, you're on the money. Dude could put on awesome matches, but they've been here or there. I'm not sure if his body is worn and he puts in minimal effort until it matters or if he just puts minimal effort unless it is a match that he feels is worth his time. Nak's Wrestle Kingdom matches were all awesome, his matches with Tanahashi were damn good, and his debut NXT match was awesome but main roster-wise he's been lackluster. Even the orton/Cena matches were just okay.