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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 2, 2018 18:44:05 GMT -5
Coach was behind the whole thing and there was something people were giving WWE grief over. Coach commented on it on Twitter and started getting heat. Coach then put an end to covering WWE (or had someone higher up tell him to). It was when the Mauro stuff was really kicking off. Coach was basically discrediting any reports coming out about the backstage environment. Ironically, just before that, his episode of WWE Story Time came out with the story about them pranking him about being fired. |
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Post by abjordans on Jan 2, 2018 19:20:10 GMT -5
i was thinking Fx was more likey, but now that I think about it WWE has a working realtionship with ESPN. An fs1 deal would kill that wouldn"t it? ESPN won't be ponying up the kinda money it would take to get WWE, they cannot afford it. Plus I think that partnership died with one of the more recent controversies. Nah, WWE people still go on ESPN once a week and they still cover it on espn.com. |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 2, 2018 21:35:37 GMT -5
This stock is going to plummet when that deal disappoints.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 2, 2018 22:31:59 GMT -5
If I had bought low at the bubble, I'd sell just before they start negotiating the deal, because a lot of people are gonna take a bath on this.
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Post by ayumidah on Jan 2, 2018 22:59:23 GMT -5
Well, they said something similar the last time and we saw what happened.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Jan 3, 2018 0:02:32 GMT -5
Kayfabe may be dead with the WWE viewing audience, but by god the stockholders are still buying into Vince's bullshit hook, line and sinker
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 0:08:28 GMT -5
Really I figure it'll be about like their existing deal. Neither they nor USA can really afford to rock the boat much right now.
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Post by jagilki on Jan 3, 2018 0:16:04 GMT -5
Vince: "Shane, Steph! Let's celebrate, we'll soon be swimming in that POPTV Money!"
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Post by jagilki on Jan 3, 2018 0:28:04 GMT -5
Meltzer is wrong. Tokyo Dome has gone to his head. Advertisers base their prices on people watching. They don't care about stock prices or how WWE movies are doing or anything else. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WATCHING OUR COMMERCIALS. What's that? Less are? We pay less. Done. If you're advertising your widget, lets say WWEs stock is $15000 a share. However only 10 people are watching. You show a commercial 10 people see it, do you feel better that the stock is high? The rise in stocks is not being based on ratings OR what advertisers are paying. It's based on speculation about what NETWORKS will pay for the rights. Networks have other factors to look at. |
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Post by angryfan on Jan 3, 2018 0:57:33 GMT -5
The rise in stocks is not being based on ratings OR what advertisers are paying. It's based on speculation about what NETWORKS will pay for the rights. Networks have other factors to look at. WWE goes far beyond what a network will pay for the rights. The WWE stock is not just based on speculation on USA. WWE has WWE movies, they have the Network for example also. That stuff is part of the value of the stock. Obviously what networks will pay is part of it but it's not even close to the whole thing. Increase in stock value may or may not (rajah.com) be based on ratings/networks value. But there's a lot more to the company than that. Stock value could go up because people anticipate large amounts of WWE network subs for example. That has nothing to do with what networks pay. You are right in that stocks are based on more than just the network deal, but WWE is, and has awlays been, a house of cards. Everything, and I mean everything, is based on the show drawing in viewers. That's how they advertise the network, that's how they advertise PPV's, that's how they get the names out to get the merch selling. It all comes back to the TV show or, technically speaking, TV and the house shows. So the stock sees Vince saying "Oh, they're goign to pay us big with the next deal", and as it did last time, it goes up. It will because it's a gamble and there is a chance that the deal will be huge and then they'll be swimming in cash. However, ratings are going down, which means less potential customers. House show attendence, I'm not sure on. So the big ad revenue of "here is what we have", isn't attracting as many potential paying customers. Thus, as ratings go down, and the network makes less of of WWWE programming, they're not goign to pay more for the company brining them less money. The WWE will be offered the same or less than th ey're getting now, and the shareholders are going to say "that's not what we expected" and sell to avoid the price drop. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 3, 2018 1:02:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 1:30:16 GMT -5
Honestly I kind of wonder if in reevaluating the TV deal they might angle to put NXT on USA. It has more value to them being part of the TV package than it does as a Network draw, it's been said it was USA's idea to run it a few weeks back, and for something with little promotion in a non-prime time slot it actually did pretty well and much better than the channel's usual.
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Post by Art Thoubored?!? on Jan 3, 2018 1:54:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 1:54:54 GMT -5
You are right in that stocks are based on more than just the network deal, but WWE is, and has awlays been, a house of cards. Everything, and I mean everything, is based on the show drawing in viewers. That's how they advertise the network, that's how they advertise PPV's, that's how they get the names out to get the merch selling. It all comes back to the TV show or, technically speaking, TV and the house shows. So the stock sees Vince saying "Oh, they're goign to pay us big with the next deal", and as it did last time, it goes up. It will because it's a gamble and there is a chance that the deal will be huge and then they'll be swimming in cash. However, ratings are going down, which means less potential customers. House show attendence, I'm not sure on. So the big ad revenue of "here is what we have", isn't attracting as many potential paying customers. Thus, as ratings go down, and the network makes less of of WWWE programming, they're not goign to pay more for the company brining them less money. The WWE will be offered the same or less than th ey're getting now, and the shareholders are going to say "that's not what we expected" and sell to avoid the price drop. You are correct. I have trouble thinking the house of cards can stand with lower ratings. But we'll see right? It seems like a shaky house of cards though. It's just a stupid message board thread after all right. WWE really is in a very precarious position right now. Yes, they're bringing in record amounts of revenue, but it's in conjunction with more and more spending, thus they're barely actually making a profit, and even though for years they've been clearly trying to trim the budget it just isn't actually happening. Puts them in a scenario where if one of their revenue streams unexpectedly falls through they're screwed... which seems pretty likely to happen eventually as the Network subscriptions have basically plateaued and as much as they try to aim the show at kids it's mostly older people actually watching it. They're slowly driving off old fans but not bringing in new ones. |
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jan 3, 2018 2:02:31 GMT -5
With Amazon,Yahoo,Hulu,Netflix all giving appearances they want to invest in Live Sports,all WWE or any other sport needs is 1 person to bite or drive up the price. Even if their ratings are down the rights fee bubble has gotten a shot in the vien's the last few years. Who knows maybe Universal can collude with some of these companies to lowball WWE like last time but I don't think it's a given.
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Post by Ringmaster on Jan 3, 2018 2:31:42 GMT -5
WWE moves back to spike and does a cross promotion with a rebranded Battledome 2.0
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 2:54:55 GMT -5
Meltzer is wrong. Tokyo Dome has gone to his head. Advertisers base their prices on people watching. They don't care about stock prices or how WWE movies are doing or anything else. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WATCHING OUR COMMERCIALS. What's that? Less are? We pay less. Done. If you're advertising your widget, lets say WWEs stock is $15000 a share. However only 10 people are watching. You show a commercial 10 people see it, do you feel better that the stock is high? Meltzer doesn't say the deal will be big, he says people BELIEVE the deal will be big. |
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Post by slaughterama on Jan 3, 2018 3:49:52 GMT -5
With Amazon,Yahoo,Hulu,Netflix all giving appearances they want to invest in Live Sports,all WWE or any other sport needs is 1 person to bite or drive up the price. Even if their ratings are down the rights fee bubble has gotten a shot in the vien's the last few years. Who knows maybe Universal can collude with some of these companies to lowball WWE like last time but I don't think it's a given. THIS! These companies are always looking for new content and are desperate to find ways to lure new subscribers. WWE is a unique market that one of them could see as an untapped source for new subscribers. These services were all offering essentially the same product. The next to step to compete with each other was offering a different variety of specials and original programming. WWE could be an extremely attractive name for one of them to have under their umbrella. The landscape has changed since WWE's last deal, and I'm sure they're banking on that change to spark at least a modest bidding war. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 3:52:30 GMT -5
With Amazon,Yahoo,Hulu,Netflix all giving appearances they want to invest in Live Sports,all WWE or any other sport needs is 1 person to bite or drive up the price. Even if their ratings are down the rights fee bubble has gotten a shot in the vien's the last few years. Who knows maybe Universal can collude with some of these companies to lowball WWE like last time but I don't think it's a given. THIS! These companies are always looking for new content and are desperate to find ways to lure new subscribers. WWE is a unique market that one of them could see as an untapped source for new subscribers. These services were all offering essentially the same product. The next to step to compete with each other was offering a different variety of specials and original programming. WWE could be an extremely attractive name for one of them to have under their umbrella. The landscape has changed since WWE's last deal, and I'm sure they're banking on that change to spark at least a modest bidding war. The biggest issue is that consistently, for pretty much their whole existence, it's been shown that the majority of WWE's viewers don't ever actually pay for it. It raises the question of how many people would actually bother following along with them moving to some variety of streaming platform compared to how many people only watch it because it's convenient lengthy programming with a reliable schedule. |
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Post by sfvega on Jan 3, 2018 6:11:21 GMT -5
With Amazon,Yahoo,Hulu,Netflix all giving appearances they want to invest in Live Sports,all WWE or any other sport needs is 1 person to bite or drive up the price. Even if their ratings are down the rights fee bubble has gotten a shot in the vien's the last few years. Who knows maybe Universal can collude with some of these companies to lowball WWE like last time but I don't think it's a given. If you're USA though, why does that drive the price up? WWE is getting well over 100 mil a year. What they do doesn't fit Netflix at all, so they won't pay that. Yahoo? Can't afford them. Going to Amazon or Hulu would limit their reach. Hulu is the most likely to get into actual negotiations. But their reach isn't great. USA has a deal with Hulu, they're on Vue, they're on Sling, they're on cable and satelite companies. Going exclusive to Hulu would not only be a complete paradigm shift to what they've usually done, it would also directly lead to less eyes on the product than their already declining ratings. So if I'm USA, I stick to my guns. Why pay more for these worse and worse ratings? It's easy to play a major network who is under a gigantic conglomerate on paper, but it's much harder in practice. Cord cutting is a big friggin deal. The TV rights bubble to cable networks has burst in the biggest way. It is in no way on the rise. Just because the DEMAND is up on alternative options, doesn't mean that MONEY isn't going way down everywhere. The money is quickly becoming unsustainable. If it's gonna go down for ratings tanks like college and pro football, you'd best believe it is going to go down for entities like WWE. If you think they're gonna get over on a big TV company now off a bluff on their declining ratings, you may be a little crazy. |
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