Enzo speaks on Cass heat with Graves

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Figured it needed it's own thread. Enzo's weaving real life opinions in with kayfabe here I'd say. That Cass shit at the end though, wow, that's real.

What do yall think?

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Hmmm

Figured this be a bunch of Kayfabe BS but seems some realness in there and holy f*** that bruise

I guess I can see Enzo point about Cass not finishing the match and being a little pissed tho all that shit was spur of the moment

Tho Cass has taken care of him as well so it comes off as selfish too

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I do think the Tweets were meant to be in Kayfabe but yeah I would imagine it was still bad timing and especially for someone who has been there for you since the beginning and helped you through your own injuries basically being a brother it was pretty low...

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That seems pretty real, and i don't think either are good enough actors to make it sound that real

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Jan 9, 2018 0:27:55 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Hmmm

Figured this be a bunch of Kayfabe BS but seems some realness in there and holy f*** that bruise

I guess I can see Enzo point about Cass not finishing the match and being a little pissed tho all that shit was spur of the moment

Tho Cass has taken care of him as well so it comes off as selfish too

Here's the thing, if you literally can't stand up you can't finish anything. Cass tried, he couldn't. A torn Knee is way different than a f***ing bruise, even if it's bad which I get, there are different levels to being able to finish a match, people get busted and bruised all the time, and Im sure Cass would have been able to finish those matches, but for others, it's next to impossible. 

All the shit HHH gets, he's one of the few people you will see in wrestling be able to continue a match after basically tearing his Knee... Twice... doing a Pedigree on an Announce Table even... but HHH also isn't seven feet, he doesn't have as much top heavy weight like a human like Cass does, that's why Nash couldn't move when he tore his own Knee.

And while I'm at it I'm pretty sure that Payback Match was stopped when he got hurt, so yeah, "Finishing a Match" isn't always an option.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jan 9, 2018 0:33:27 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Jan 9, 2018 0:27:55 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Hmmm

Figured this be a bunch of Kayfabe BS but seems some realness in there and holy f*** that bruise

I guess I can see Enzo point about Cass not finishing the match and being a little pissed tho all that shit was spur of the moment

Tho Cass has taken care of him as well so it comes off as selfish too

Here's the thing, if you literally can't stand up you can't finish anything. Cass tried, he couldn't. A torn Knee is way different than a f***ing bruise, even if it's bad which I get, there are different levels to being able to finish a match, people get busted and bruised all the time, and Im sure Cass would have been able to finish those matches, but for others, it's next to impossible. 

All the shit HHH gets, he's one of the few people you will see in wrestling be able to continue a match after basically tearing his Knee... Twice... doing a Pedigree on an Announce Table even... but HHH also isn't seven feet, he doesn't have as much top heavy weight like a human like Cass does, that's why Nash couldn't move when he tore his own Knee.

And while I'm at it I'm pretty sure that Payback Match was stopped when he got hurt, so yeah, "Finishing a Match" isn't always an option.

You mean the match where Enzo got legit concussed and knocked out?

And like I said all i'm saying is I see both sides. That was a deep bruise and getting tossed around on something like that isn't easy especially with the bumps he was taking but he did it because that's what needed to be done

However, Cass tore his knee and not everyone has that fortitude like HHH to finish a match like that nor should they. In Enzo mind it's more so you could have called an audible and helped me instead of leaving it to dry. Is that selfish, yes but there's somewhat a madness to that, that I can't say he's all the way wrong but more so I understand it

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But people are always instigating about "this business" crap.

If you can't get up, you can't get up. Forcing a guy to work on a disabled leg looks awful for the company & could lead to worse situations.

Sounds like Enzo needs to get his head out of his ass.

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I agree that it was a mix of kayfabe and reality, yeah.

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"Karma's a bitch" he says, as this thing goes to air after Enzo gets busted open and possibly wrecks his ankle. Any news on if that's a legit injury?

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Jan 9, 2018 0:38:49 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Jan 9, 2018 0:33:27 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Here's the thing, if you literally can't stand up you can't finish anything. Cass tried, he couldn't. A torn Knee is way different than a f***ing bruise, even if it's bad which I get, there are different levels to being able to finish a match, people get busted and bruised all the time, and Im sure Cass would have been able to finish those matches, but for others, it's next to impossible. 

All the shit HHH gets, he's one of the few people you will see in wrestling be able to continue a match after basically tearing his Knee... Twice... doing a Pedigree on an Announce Table even... but HHH also isn't seven feet, he doesn't have as much top heavy weight like a human like Cass does, that's why Nash couldn't move when he tore his own Knee.

And while I'm at it I'm pretty sure that Payback Match was stopped when he got hurt, so yeah, "Finishing a Match" isn't always an option.

You mean the match where Enzo got legit concussed and knocked out?

And like I said all i'm saying is I see both sides. That was a deep bruise and getting tossed around on something like that isn't easy especially with the bumps he was taking but he did it because that's what needed to be done

However, Cass tore his knee and not everyone has that fortitude like HHH to finish a match like that nor should they. In Enzo mind it's more so you could have called an audible and helped me instead of leaving it to dry. Is that selfish, yes but there's somewhat a madness to that, that I can't say he's all the way wrong but more so I understand it

I get where Enzo is coming from but yeah, he should have seen it more from his Payback match where we were just at a point where nothing could have been done. At most, Enzo could have only pinned Cass or did a top rope splash and beat him via a pin, but that might now have even been the finsh... and in the heat of the moment I dont think Cass was thinking about how Enzo looked he was thinking "I just tore my effing knee there goes my push and months of my career"

[ayumidah]

Jan 9, 2018 0:44:15 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

"Karma's a bitch" he says, as this thing goes to air after Enzo gets busted open and possibly wrecks his ankle. Any news on if that's a legit injury?

Just this being uploaded a bit ago. WWE itself hasn't said anything yet about his leg.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jan 9, 2018 0:44:15 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

"Karma's a bitch" he says, as this thing goes to air after Enzo gets busted open and possibly wrecks his ankle. Any news on if that's a legit injury?

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Stitches for the cut above his eye

Put it in tags for those that don't want to see it

[Blindkarevik]

I hate to say it, but Enzo is smart. He knows the only way people are going to pay a ticket to see him, is to see him get beaten up. He knows he is very limited as a wrestler, but has a swagger and a speaking ability that is off the charts. So I feel like this is all 100% kayfabe.

I think this is just planting seeds because Enzo has found his stride on his own as a hateable heel whereas Cass is still trying to find his footing on his own. However, returning from injury and beating the shit out of Enzo will at least give him a pop for the night and a platform to jump from to see if he can sink or swim.

Were there legitimate hurt feelings over the Twitter exchange? I could definitely see it.... but I honestly feel like it's something that both could explain it away by saying they were kayfabing.

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Jan 9, 2018 0:44:15 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

"Karma's a bitch" he says, as this thing goes to air after Enzo gets busted open and possibly wrecks his ankle. Any news on if that's a legit injury?

There was a Fallout Video (Edit, already been linked above twice.)

It's seeming like it was pretty real to me, dude looks legit upset and is saying he needs to go get X-Rays and such, looks like he still can't walk on it and the doctors referenced leaving his shoe on so the swelling might be bad...

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Well, shit... Cruiserweights are just dropping out left and right lately... Neville walks, Dar injured, Kendrick injured, Swann with his legal issues and now Amore possibly wrecks his ankle. Shango's wreaking purple vengeance.

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Jan 9, 2018 0:53:28 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

Well, shit... Cruiserweights are just dropping out left and right lately... Neville walks, Dar injured, Kendrick injured, Swann with his legal issues and now Amore possibly wrecks his ankle. Shango's wreaking purple vengeance.

Forget not having House Shows anymore 205 Live isn't gonna have a roster period...

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Jan 9, 2018 0:47:09 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Jan 9, 2018 0:38:49 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

You mean the match where Enzo got legit concussed and knocked out?

And like I said all i'm saying is I see both sides. That was a deep bruise and getting tossed around on something like that isn't easy especially with the bumps he was taking but he did it because that's what needed to be done

However, Cass tore his knee and not everyone has that fortitude like HHH to finish a match like that nor should they. In Enzo mind it's more so you could have called an audible and helped me instead of leaving it to dry. Is that selfish, yes but there's somewhat a madness to that, that I can't say he's all the way wrong but more so I understand it

I get where Enzo is coming from but yeah, he should have seen it more from his Payback match where we were just at a point where nothing could have been done. At most, Enzo could have only pinned Cass or did a top rope splash and beat him via a pin, but that might now have even been the finsh... and in the heat of the moment I dont think Cass was thinking about how Enzo looked he was thinking "I just tore my effing knee there goes my push and months of my career"

Yea, like I said I get where Enzo is coming from and in that wrestler mindset i'm pretty sure he knew that was his chance to rise up now that Cass was out and wanted that shine. He put his body on the line for Cass in his push but there wasn't really much Cass can do there. Could he have asked the ref to call an audible and roll out the ring to do a count out, sure but your mind is not on the match as much how much time you are about to miss because of injuries

In saying that like I said earlier this is a mix of kayfabe and real so while Enzo and Cass were probably really pissed at each other and didn't speak too much due to other stuff, I doubt they are ready to throw hands on sight. At the end of the day Enzo got that time and it worked out better for him in the end while Cass will have to make sure he comes back strong and focused to get that push back

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Jan 9, 2018 0:53:28 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

Well, shit... Cruiserweights are just dropping out left and right lately... Neville walks, Dar injured, Kendrick injured, Swann with his legal issues and now Amore possibly wrecks his ankle. Shango's wreaking purple vengeance.

We still have Tony Nese at least!

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Jan 9, 2018 0:49:01 GMT -5 Blindkarevik said:

I hate to say it, but Enzo is smart. He knows the only way people are going to pay a ticket to see him, is to see him get beaten up. He knows he is very limited as a wrestler, but has a swagger and a speaking ability that is off the charts. So I feel like this is all 100% kayfabe.

I think this is just planting seeds because Enzo has found his stride on his own as a hateable heel whereas Cass is still trying to find his footing on his own. However, returning from injury and beating the shit out of Enzo will at least give him a pop for the night and a platform to jump from to see if he can sink or swim.

Were there legitimate hurt feelings over the Twitter exchange? I could definitely see it.... but I honestly feel like it's something that both could explain it away by saying they were kayfabing.

Agreed. Best believe Enzo has took notes from Mayweather and more recently McGregor as far how far your talking can take you

Like I said I don't think there's no real beef between them but their was some hurt feelings probably that can be worked into a feud just like how they used all Enzo bullshit about him running his mouth which made Cass snap

In the end Cass trying to get his hands on a "crafty" dick head heel Enzo is what can work and their is still a possibility of a reunion later down the road when both guys got nothing to do

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Jan 9, 2018 0:53:28 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

Well, shit... Cruiserweights are just dropping out left and right lately... Neville walks, Dar injured, Kendrick injured, Swann with his legal issues and now Amore possibly wrecks his ankle. Shango's wreaking purple vengeance.

Seriously just end the terrible brand and divide the roster between RAW, SD and NXT.