Squirrel Master
Hank Scorpio
"Then the Squirrel Master came out of left field and told me I'm his bitch!"
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Post by Squirrel Master on Jan 10, 2018 14:09:31 GMT -5
If the bear skin rug could speak, I am sure it would tell anyone who listens to "please bring me to the dry cleaners, I smell like ass since forever." |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 10, 2018 14:30:02 GMT -5
Lots of talents have said over the years the best thing you can do is form a relationship with Vince. Problem is, everybody seems to have a different story of how they accomplished that. Jericho had to tell him to go get f***ed and he was already the champ, Kofi had to literally fight him, I wanna say Austin got into a go with Vince over some pre-tape vignettes in the early Stone Cold days etc. Vince is a strange dude who responds to strange things Having a vision and some balls to present him that vision. I remember Ultimate Warrior's Hall of Fame speech, where he told a story of him going into Vince's office with a notebook, when he wasn't even used on TV. Vince smirked at this small timer asking for his time, but Warrior layed out what he could do for Vince and what he needed off him to have a mutually beneficial business relationship. It did work out very well for both,certainly during the first run. Warrior gets to headline and Vince McMahon gets his replacement for Hulk Hogan. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 10, 2018 15:09:49 GMT -5
Creating a relationship with Vince McMahon is a good way to end up in a drag race while the car interior is full of grape sno-cones and Vince is leaning halfway out the window screaming how he is an incredible dancer for a white man. I mean personally that sounds amazing... |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 10, 2018 15:17:27 GMT -5
Creating a relationship with Vince McMahon is a good way to end up in a drag race while the car interior is full of grape sno-cones and Vince is leaning halfway out the window screaming how he is an incredible dancer for a white man. I mean personally that sounds amazing... And when he puts his shitty underwear on a stick and chases you around? |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 10, 2018 15:22:11 GMT -5
I mean personally that sounds amazing... And when he puts his shitty underwear on a stick and chases you around? that part not so much... but the crazed Drag Races I can get behind <_< |
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nisidhe
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 10, 2018 18:14:07 GMT -5
Lots of talents have said over the years the best thing you can do is form a relationship with Vince. Problem is, everybody seems to have a different story of how they accomplished that. Jericho had to tell him to go get f***ed and he was already the champ, Kofi had to literally fight him, I wanna say Austin got into a go with Vince over some pre-tape vignettes in the early Stone Cold days etc. Vince is a strange dude who responds to strange things Having a vision and some balls to present him that vision. I remember Ultimate Warrior's Hall of Fame speech, where he told a story of him going into Vince's office with a notebook, when he wasn't even used on TV. Vince smirked at this small timer asking for his time, but Warrior layed out what he could do for Vince and what he needed off him to have a mutually beneficial business relationship. It did work out very well for both,certainly during the first run. Warrior gets to headline and Vince McMahon gets his replacement for Hulk Hogan. Warrior's story made sense, in 1989 when Vince was looking for the next Hogan and the experiment with Savage failed (largely due to Hogan sticking around and complicating that title run.) The money in wrestling for everyone was still good, though AWA and some of the territories and smaller promotions were beginning to suffer. WWF was starting to slip a little - five years with Hogan at or near the top will do that, no matter how big the opponent - but was still seen as the top of the mountain. So much has changed since then that the story has very little value, if any, in gauging the steps to success with WWE today. WWE is going to do what it wants with the talent it wants to do it with - full stop. The talent, however, is going to put in only sufficient effort to maintain whatever pigeonhole Vince decides to put them in. The fans - those fewer of us who nonetheless support the business per head by spending more per head - are in on the game both sides are playing and will happily follow some of our favourites throughout the new wrestling landscape. If WWE wants to spend its warchest on guaranteed contracts with talents and then bury them, deluding themselves that those talents won't put in their best work in New Japan, CMLL, AAA, Impact, ROH or the British and Irish indies when those contracts end - hey, it's their money to spend. |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 10, 2018 18:58:16 GMT -5
Having a vision and some balls to present him that vision. I remember Ultimate Warrior's Hall of Fame speech, where he told a story of him going into Vince's office with a notebook, when he wasn't even used on TV. Vince smirked at this small timer asking for his time, but Warrior layed out what he could do for Vince and what he needed off him to have a mutually beneficial business relationship. It did work out very well for both,certainly during the first run. Warrior gets to headline and Vince McMahon gets his replacement for Hulk Hogan. Warrior's story made sense, in 1989 when Vince was looking for the next Hogan and the experiment with Savage failed (largely due to Hogan sticking around and complicating that title run.) The money in wrestling for everyone was still good, though AWA and some of the territories and smaller promotions were beginning to suffer. WWF was starting to slip a little - five years with Hogan at or near the top will do that, no matter how big the opponent - but was still seen as the top of the mountain. So much has changed since then that the story has very little value, if any, in gauging the steps to success with WWE today. WWE is going to do what it wants with the talent it wants to do it with - full stop. The talent, however, is going to put in only sufficient effort to maintain whatever pigeonhole Vince decides to put them in. The fans - those fewer of us who nonetheless support the business per head by spending more per head - are in on the game both sides are playing and will happily follow some of our favourites throughout the new wrestling landscape. If WWE wants to spend its warchest on guaranteed contracts with talents and then bury them, deluding themselves that those talents won't put in their best work in New Japan, CMLL, AAA, Impact, ROH or the British and Irish indies when those contracts end - hey, it's their money to spend. Good points. Yes, the business has changed. WWE is a juggernaut that can consume and spit out any talent they want and isn't necessarily looking for a main star anymore., just a cog to keep the wheel turning. For example, Wrestlemania sells itself, whereas in 1989, the superstars, matches and Hollywood was needed to attract fans to Wrestlemania. Also, Vince McMahon is a fickle human being and may have thrown out Warrior if he hadn't had the right snow cone flavour that day. To JR'S point, the honest workers can have a long career. Not everyone gets to be Austin or Cena, but there can be more Kanes or Undertakers - a professional with a great attitude that inhabits the main to semi-main event spot for a long time. Whether the fans like it is another matter. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 11, 2018 6:40:39 GMT -5
Having a vision and some balls to present him that vision. I remember Ultimate Warrior's Hall of Fame speech, where he told a story of him going into Vince's office with a notebook, when he wasn't even used on TV. Vince smirked at this small timer asking for his time, but Warrior layed out what he could do for Vince and what he needed off him to have a mutually beneficial business relationship. It did work out very well for both,certainly during the first run. Warrior gets to headline and Vince McMahon gets his replacement for Hulk Hogan. Warrior's story made sense, in 1989 when Vince was looking for the next Hogan and the experiment with Savage failed (largely due to Hogan sticking around and complicating that title run.) The money in wrestling for everyone was still good, though AWA and some of the territories and smaller promotions were beginning to suffer. WWF was starting to slip a little - five years with Hogan at or near the top will do that, no matter how big the opponent - but was still seen as the top of the mountain. So much has changed since then that the story has very little value, if any, in gauging the steps to success with WWE today. WWE is going to do what it wants with the talent it wants to do it with - full stop. The talent, however, is going to put in only sufficient effort to maintain whatever pigeonhole Vince decides to put them in. The fans - those fewer of us who nonetheless support the business per head by spending more per head - are in on the game both sides are playing and will happily follow some of our favourites throughout the new wrestling landscape. If WWE wants to spend its warchest on guaranteed contracts with talents and then bury them, deluding themselves that those talents won't put in their best work in New Japan, CMLL, AAA, Impact, ROH or the British and Irish indies when those contracts end - hey, it's their money to spend. It's also different when you're an alpha male who looks like Vince's wet dream, little more inclined to listen to you. The locker room is just different now, smaller, less jockish, would rather play video games than do a few lines and party all night. It's harder to build a relationship when you're the total opposite of the guy in charge. |
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nisidhe
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 11, 2018 8:39:55 GMT -5
It's also different when you're an alpha male who looks like Vince's wet dream, little more inclined to listen to you. This is very true. Again, though, this was also very shortly before alpha males started going into business for themselves and costing Vince more money than they were worth. There were a lot of changes in the years since then, and a lot of betrayals and slights, perceived and real, which have likely changed Vince's outlook. Vince is gonna Vince, but it's not the same Vincing now as might have been back then. And thank the Gods for that. It means that the lessons of the past have been learned. Enough of the current generation of wrestlers have seen their heroes die, or fall from grace from the lifestyle, and are sufficiently savvy on social media, that the more questionable side of the life has mainly gone away. Vince comes across to me as a guy who wants what he wants, but has forgotten why he wanted it and why he can't have it. |
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