J.R on talent needing to develop a relationship w/Vince

[héad.casé]

"I used to tell talents this when I'd sign them, 'here's what you need to do to come to work here, and stay here, and be great, and make a lot of money, is be the professional that we expect out of you in all phases, but whatever you do, develop a healthy, genuine, not disingenuous ass-kissing, but a healthy relationship with the boss because that will go miles down the road and give you opportunities because he gets to know who you are, he gets to plug into what you're about as a person. A little bit of that could be converted into creative and then your creative is more organic.'"

While establishing a relationship with McMahon is probably harder for talents nowadays because of the workload, Ross suspects that McMahon would say it is still possible.

"I think Vince would be very adamant by saying 'yes'. Are those opportunities every day and very, very easy to obtain? Probably not simply because of the workload, but I just don't believe Vince will ever let go, and he shouldn't, of his relationship with the talents. Understand most of these kids wanted to get into the business forever. This is their dream job, right? Well, this is the guy that created the dream in that regard. So sometimes, it's intimidating for them because he is the most omnipotent man in the world that's in our field."

According to Ross, talent who do not speak up reduce their chances of making an impact in WWE.

"I can see for some talent who aren't self-starters and maybe don't have the confidence in their game yet saying 'I'll just stay over here and be quiet - nobody's going to notice me and I'll extend my shelf life.' And I can tell you, nobody likes that. Within the creative portions of the company, if you sit silently, don't contribute to your character, don't have an idea, we don't see growth in all areas as a professional, you lessen your own chances by staying silent and not speaking."

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[Tiger Millionaire]

The easiest thing in the world is for a 20-30 young man or woman who has been wrestling in armories and gyms to have a relationship with a 71 year old billionaire.

[EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese]

In the minefield scenario that is trying to get a dialogue with Vince, it’s probably better to try and get one going. If it doesn’t work and you don’t get pushed as a result, then at least you tried, as opposed to not getting pushed anyway for “not wanting it enough”.

[Allie Kitsune]

Jan 10, 2018 9:07:50 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

In the minefield scenario that is trying to get a dialogue with Vince, it’s probably better to try and get one going. If it doesn’t work and you don’t get pushed as a result, then at least you tried, as opposed to not getting pushed anyway for “not wanting it enough”.

And of course, even Vince liking you isn't a guarantee of a long run at the top of the card (See : R-Truth).

[mizerable]

Hasn't it been confirmed that Vince is pretty closed off now? Also there's been stories of road agents and such telling the talent not to seek Vince out.

Again I ask..

How are you supposed to grab a brass ring when it's a predetermined sport, everything is written for you, if you complain then you have an attitude, having a great match means nothing and getting over has proven to be a bad thing for a lot of talent?

[The Summer of Muskrat XVII]

Lots of talents have said over the years the best thing you can do is form a relationship with Vince. Problem is, everybody seems to have a different story of how they accomplished that. Jericho had to tell him to go get f***ed and he was already the champ, Kofi had to literally fight him, I wanna say Austin got into a go with Vince over some pre-tape vignettes in the early Stone Cold days etc. Vince is a strange dude who responds to strange things

[Push R Truth]

Jan 10, 2018 9:13:14 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Jan 10, 2018 9:07:50 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

In the minefield scenario that is trying to get a dialogue with Vince, it’s probably better to try and get one going. If it doesn’t work and you don’t get pushed as a result, then at least you tried, as opposed to not getting pushed anyway for “not wanting it enough”.

And of course, even Vince liking you isn't a guarantee of a long run at the top of the card (See : R-Truth).

You are correct, but don't confuse that with not being important or highly regarded. R-Truth is one of the "core" people you see out in the public. They send the guy everywhere. R-Truth is definitely one of their most important wrestlers outside the ring. I fully believe he probably could have pushed for about anything he wanted too. Sometimes you can accomplish more of what is important to you in life from shadows than in the spotlight.

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

[xxshoyuweeniexx]

Jan 10, 2018 9:38:31 GMT -5 Push R Truth said:

Jan 10, 2018 9:13:14 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

And of course, even Vince liking you isn't a guarantee of a long run at the top of the card (See : R-Truth).

You are correct, but don't confuse that with not being important or highly regarded. R-Truth is one of the "core" people you see out in the public. They send the guy everywhere. R-Truth is definitely one of their most important wrestlers outside the ring. I fully believe he probably could have pushed for about anything he wanted too. Sometimes you can accomplish more of what is important to you in life from shadows than in the spotlight.

If there was ever a Koko B Ware today, it’s R-Truth. Both over as hell, both “jobbers”, but both knew how important their job to rile the crowd up and make the company and others look good was as opposed to being a main eventer.

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Jan 10, 2018 9:07:43 GMT -5 Tiger Millionaire said:

The easiest thing in the world is for a 20-30 young man or woman who has been wrestling in armories and gyms to have a relationship with a 71 year old billionaire.

If that's the job, that's the job. It's not like it's anything new, it's the same boss that's been there for decades now.

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Jan 10, 2018 10:02:04 GMT -5 xxshoyuweeniexx said:

Jan 10, 2018 9:38:31 GMT -5 Push R Truth said:

You are correct, but don't confuse that with not being important or highly regarded. R-Truth is one of the "core" people you see out in the public. They send the guy everywhere. R-Truth is definitely one of their most important wrestlers outside the ring. I fully believe he probably could have pushed for about anything he wanted too. Sometimes you can accomplish more of what is important to you in life from shadows than in the spotlight.

If there was ever a Koko B Ware today, it’s R-Truth. Both over as hell, both “jobbers”, but both knew how important their job to rile the crowd up and make the company and others look good was as opposed to being a main eventer.

Well, that fake R Truth anyway, since the other one was blown up.

[freeze Austin]

Jan 10, 2018 9:13:45 GMT -5 mizerable said:

Hasn't it been confirmed that Vince is pretty closed off now? Also there's been stories of road agents and such telling the talent not to seek Vince out.

Again I ask..

How are you supposed to grab a brass ring when it's a predetermined sport, everything is written for you, if you complain then you have an attitude, having a great match means nothing and getting over has proven to be a bad thing for a lot of talent?

It really does seem like a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation for most talent on the roster, especially the ones that have been there for less than 5 years or aren't immediately pushed as main eventers/upper mid-carders right out the gate.

Like, you need to get over before you will get pushed, but if you get over in a way you're not scripted to (also known as "grabbing the brass ring") or before the company is ready for you to be pushed (also known as showing initiative and taking your career into your own hands), you get buried in the booking. Then once your overness has cooled off after fans see that it just isn't going to happen, the company line becomes "Well, we'd love to push them, but the audience just isn't responding." Pretty neat trick, huh?

[PTBartman]

And if all else fails, there's always the bear skin rug

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Well that sounds easy enough lol.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Talk to Vince, but oh if it's just randomly a day when he's not open to that you get chewed out. Contribute to your character, but nobody in creative is listening and if you go off script you get hell for it. Get over, but no actually don't get over because we'll de-push you if your act gets hotter than we decide it's allowed to. We don't like people who don't push out, but we choose all of our top prospects at the developmental level and refuse to stray from those choices. We want to entertain the fans, but we hold back the people the fans want because they don't pal around with a senile old guy more than twice their age.

No wonder everyone justs sits around playing video games all f***ing day; the only winning move is not to play.

[The Heartbreak TWERK]

Creating a relationship with Vince McMahon is a good way to end up in a drag race while the car interior is full of grape sno-cones and Vince is leaning halfway out the window screaming how he is an incredible dancer for a white man.

[Bo Rida]

"I can see for some talent who are self-starters and have the confidence in their game saying Im over here and refuse to be quiet - I want you to notice me and I'll extend my shelf life.' And I can tell you, nobody likes that. Within the creative portions of the company, if you're loud, contribute to your character, have an idea, see growth in all areas as a professional, you lessen your own chances by not staying silent."

[Hit Girl]

For all the respect he rightly gets, JR is also a shameless apologist and McMahon kiss ass.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Jan 10, 2018 13:20:47 GMT -5 Hit Girl said:

For all the respect he rightly gets, JR is also a shameless apologist and McMahon kiss ass.

Not only should JR's intense sucking up to Vince be considered when reading these words, but looking at what JR's loyalty to Vince has earned him over the years is I think a whole other layer on top of the problems with this sentiment. He's been run through, scapegoated, and mocked on television time and again, and you can make a very strong case that when he does come back into the fold as he did last Mania, it's more about Undertaker's loyalty to Ross and wanting him to come call his retirement match than it is anything to do with Vince.

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"I used to tell talents this when I'd sign them, 'here's what you need to do to come to work here, and stay here, and be great, and make a lot of money, is be the professional that we expect out of you in all phases, but whatever you do, develop a healthy, genuine, not disingenuous ass-kissing, but a healthy relationship with the boss because that will go miles down the road and give you opportunities because he gets to know who you are, he gets to plug into what you're about as a person

Jim, how is your relationship with Vince?