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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 13, 2018 12:09:55 GMT -5
Sure, the match sucked. Lesnar didn't want to play ball with Deano. But man, I loved the build through the promos of Dean going through the streets of Cincinnati.
These were GREAT!
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Post by fw91 on Jan 13, 2018 12:25:28 GMT -5
That match really could have made Dean a big deal. f***ing Brock man..... At least he got the title a few months later.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 12:30:45 GMT -5
I still say if the company had booked Ambrose a bit stronger, Brock would have played ball. Guy lost at SS, Rumble and Roadblock, why should this guy be presented as a threat to me?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 13:02:17 GMT -5
I still say if the company had booked Ambrose a bit stronger, Brock would have played ball. Guy lost at SS, Rumble and Roadblock, why should this guy be presented as a threat to me? They did book Ambrose strong. He rarely lost clean and when he did it was due to shenanigans unless your name was Roman or HHH. Even in the matches you've named there were reasons why he lost. Even directly after the ppv they said Ambrose took Lesnar to the limit and Ambrose took more suplexs than anyone at that point and yet it wasn't enough because Lesnar wouldn't play ball. It's all on Lesnar here.
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Post by segaz on Jan 13, 2018 13:24:43 GMT -5
I do like those type of promos. They have an old school feel to them
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 13, 2018 13:26:32 GMT -5
I do like those type of promos. They have an old school feel to them They should've had him like Rocky. Jog through the streets of Ohio. Run up whenever they might have a set of stairs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 18:12:42 GMT -5
This is why Dean is my dude.
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Post by Chiral on Jan 13, 2018 18:31:45 GMT -5
That whole match should have been booked like that moment where Brock beat Ambrose up but Ambrose crawled to the mic and just screamed "BROOOOOCK" and Brock was like "...for real?" and comes back for more. Ambrose should have taken all of Lesnar's beatings and just kept going and going and going. Instead it was basically just a boring squash. Brock sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 18:36:14 GMT -5
That whole match should have been booked like that moment where Brock beat Ambrose up but Ambrose crawled to the mic and just screamed "BROOOOOCK" and Brock was like "...for real?" and comes back for more. Ambrose should have taken all of Lesnar's beatings and just kept going and going and going. Instead it was basically just a boring squash. Brock sucks. Couldn't agree more. Dean didn't have to win and Brock didn't have to go through a flaming table or whatever, but the way that match went will always annoy the hell out of me.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 13, 2018 18:38:19 GMT -5
That whole match should have been booked like that moment where Brock beat Ambrose up but Ambrose crawled to the mic and just screamed "BROOOOOCK" and Brock was like "...for real?" and comes back for more. Ambrose should have taken all of Lesnar's beatings and just kept going and going and going. Instead it was basically just a boring squash. Brock sucks. Couldn't agree more. Dean didn't have to win and Brock didn't have to go through a flaming table or whatever, but the way that match went will always annoy the hell out of me. The tease a chainsaw. A barbed wire bat. Chairs. Used in match: NONE.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 20:09:04 GMT -5
I still say if the company had booked Ambrose a bit stronger, Brock would have played ball. Guy lost at SS, Rumble and Roadblock, why should this guy be presented as a threat to me? They did book Ambrose strong. He rarely lost clean and when he did it was due to shenanigans unless your name was Roman or HHH. Even in the matches you've named there were reasons why he lost. Even directly after the ppv they said Ambrose took Lesnar to the limit and Ambrose took more suplexs than anyone at that point and yet it wasn't enough because Lesnar wouldn't play ball. It's all on Lesnar here. He still lost those matches, clean. Tournament final, I understand. It sold the storyline of Reigns possibly turning and becoming the corporate champion. But why the f*** is he the last guy eliminated at The Rumble? Put Ziggler in that spot, tease him eliminating HHH and you'll get heat when HHH dumps him out. If you want HHH to still eliminate him, have him do sneakily when Ambrose has his back turned. He was put in the triple threat to just take the pinfall and that was it, heck you could've put anybody else in that spot. Put Sheamus in that spot even, have Ambrose get a win against somebody. Have HHH cost him the Intercontinental Title on a Raw. Then Roadblock comes and Triple H only keeps the title when Ambrose goes for Dirty Deeds to only get hit with a low blow. HHH tries a beatdown and Ambrose hits him with the Dirty Deeds and poses with the belt. You can still have Ambrose wrestle a regular match which I thought did wonders for the guy. Ambrose can claim that he had HHH dead to rights and he only took the cowards way out to keep the title. Just like how he snuck up on him at the Rumble to eliminate him. Going into Mania, he's an even 2-2 on big shows which isn't great but it's better than losing every big match that matters. And look at the Punk/Lesnar match, they didn't need to tease all those gimmicks. They used a chair, steps and a few other things and it was a much better match. Because Punk was booked as a man on a mission to get his hands on Heyman and Ambrose was looked at as a guy who needs a bunch of weapons to just be competitive with Brock.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 13, 2018 20:50:08 GMT -5
That whole match should have been booked like that moment where Brock beat Ambrose up but Ambrose crawled to the mic and just screamed "BROOOOOCK" and Brock was like "...for real?" and comes back for more. Ambrose should have taken all of Lesnar's beatings and just kept going and going and going. Instead it was basically just a boring squash. Brock sucks. Couldn't agree more. Dean didn't have to win and Brock didn't have to go through a flaming table or whatever, but the way that match went will always annoy the hell out of me. It should've taken like 5 or so F5s for Brock to finally win. That way, Dean gets to look strong in defeat without diminishing Brock.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 21:00:19 GMT -5
They did book Ambrose strong. He rarely lost clean and when he did it was due to shenanigans unless your name was Roman or HHH. Even in the matches you've named there were reasons why he lost. Even directly after the ppv they said Ambrose took Lesnar to the limit and Ambrose took more suplexs than anyone at that point and yet it wasn't enough because Lesnar wouldn't play ball. It's all on Lesnar here. He still lost those matches, clean. Tournament final, I understand. It sold the storyline of Reigns possibly turning and becoming the corporate champion. But why the f*** is he the last guy eliminated at The Rumble? Put Ziggler in that spot, tease him eliminating HHH and you'll get heat when HHH dumps him out. If you want HHH to still eliminate him, have him do sneakily when Ambrose has his back turned. He was put in the triple threat to just take the pinfall and that was it, heck you could've put anybody else in that spot. Put Sheamus in that spot even, have Ambrose get a win against somebody. Have HHH cost him the Intercontinental Title on a Raw. Then Roadblock comes and Triple H only keeps the title when Ambrose goes for Dirty Deeds to only get hit with a low blow. HHH tries a beatdown and Ambrose hits him with the Dirty Deeds and poses with the belt. You can still have Ambrose wrestle a regular match which I thought did wonders for the guy. Ambrose can claim that he had HHH dead to rights and he only took the cowards way out to keep the title. Just like how he snuck up on him at the Rumble to eliminate him. Going into Mania, he's an even 2-2 on big shows which isn't great but it's better than losing every big match that matters. And look at the Punk/Lesnar match, they didn't need to tease all those gimmicks. They used a chair, steps and a few other things and it was a much better match. Because Punk was booked as a man on a mission to get his hands on Heyman and Ambrose was looked at as a guy who needs a bunch of weapons to just be competitive with Brock. Man you're misunderstanding me here. I'm not saying they couldn't book Ambrose better against HHH, Reigns and Lesnar. I'm saying these are the guys you don't talk about when it comes to how strong someone is booked given who they are to the company. They're the wrong guys. In the Lesnar match the problem is Lesnar didn't wanna work for Ambrose while he did want to work for Punk. Heyman's gonna go to bat for Punk but also Lesnar and Punk are friends, Lesnar even offered to help dude out before his UFC match. There's no way that Ziggler of all people was more believable than Ambrose at this time period let alone with the Reigns connection that Ambrose has which Ziggler doesn't. If you're connected to Reigns? From a company standpoint given who Reigns is they'll undoubtedly use you more and in the eyes of the fans you've got a better chance at being something than Dolph Ziggler. Throwing Ziggler against Haitch at the end of that Rumble has a higher chance of Triple H winning than if Ambrose were in his position from a fan perspective. As for Sheamus, nah bruh that doesn't work either. People for some reason keep underestimating Ambrose and his position in the company especially if you think putting these 2 dudes there would have meant the same thing in his booking. Just go back and watch the end of the match, see the reaction to it being those 2 and then throughout the match (and throughout the previous Rumble match) and see Ambrose's story. Both stories had Ambrose teaming with Reigns, going against the Authority, lasting a good while but in that Rumble the story is while their team lasted to the end, the leader of the Authority (unlike Kane and Big Show previously) was the one who got over on them. It's a continuation of the previous Rumble. Ambrose being put in the triple threat connected to the Lesnar match (and beyond that it connected to the Reigns friendship/rivalry) they had. It made sense from a progression standpoint and out of all 3 of those guys he was the one who wasn't booked the strongest, I mean that's obvious and it takes nothing away from him in this case. The point I'm making is that when you look at the Romans, Brocks and Hunters all of the hypothetically scenarios go out of the window because they're beyond normal booking measures. We can do the "well they should have did this with them-" and the "but they didn't have to-" as well but it doesn't apply to these guys because these are the most overbooked guys in the company right now. Nobody overrules these guys with booking and that doesn't say anything against Ambrose, that says something for these guys. When this happens? You don't look at these guys for an explanation, you look towards the guys under them who aren't booked to the focal of events. This goes for the Seths, the Brauns, the AJs, the Cenas even to this day, it goes for everybody when it comes to these guys so considering that we can't say "well they need to book Ambrose better so he looks stronger" because the same applies to everybody. They need to book everybody better when it comes to these guys but considering they're so out of orbit with standard booking it's useless to single somebody like Ambrose out here. It's like comparing a kid who can lift a lot in school for his grade to an world lifting champion. The other side is so out of his reach that comparing them doesn't make any sense right now. The proof of how strong Ambrose is booked can be shown in exactly who's beaten him clean and how he's lost. If you mention guys like Roman, HHH, Lesnar, Cena and such? Then it's saying "well only the guys who are the strongest in the company and beat everybody" which makes sense. What you should look at are guys like AJ Styles who's incredibly booked but in AJ's case he's never pinned or submitted clean Ambrose out of every match they've ever had. That shows how strong Ambrose is booked. When Ambrose lost to Strowman months ago he was bandaged up, Strowman played to his injury, Ambrose got some great hits on him and then lost, that shows he's booked strong because he had an injury before the match and still did some damage. You look at all of the damage Ambrose took in that match against The Bar which shows how strong he's booked because that type of damage taking is unreal. Overall I'm saying we can't be using HHH, Reigns and Lesnar in saying how strong someone is booked because they're setup for Roman's coronation and if you're not apart of that, you're gonna be beat. They even made John Cena of all people look bad for Roman's coronation. That says everything.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 15, 2018 2:52:37 GMT -5
the buildup to this match was great.
the match was pretty shit.
The follow up was alright... especially if you think of that Mania as being from an Alternate universe since the WWE pretty much did.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 15, 2018 7:22:43 GMT -5
That whole match should have been booked like that moment where Brock beat Ambrose up but Ambrose crawled to the mic and just screamed "BROOOOOCK" and Brock was like "...for real?" and comes back for more. Ambrose should have taken all of Lesnar's beatings and just kept going and going and going. Instead it was basically just a boring squash. Brock sucks. I point at that match as the moment I decided I never wanted to see Lesnar again. f*** him.
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