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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 16, 2018 20:32:53 GMT -5
Lastly we dont know if it was alcohol. We are assuming. For all we know it could be a medical reaction. Even if that is the case drunk driving should still be on the no tolerance list moving forward |
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 16, 2018 20:40:33 GMT -5
but still a problem with a easy work around. I'm sure there's a few wwe workers who can not drive, but can get from place to place. You don't get it. Why is another being impacted by another stupid decision? It revolves around that. The saw can be said for anytime someone else gets a Wellness Violation during a hot angle because it hurts the other star as well. Same thing applies across the board to a lot of things. You're talking about working around situations without understanding the result of it. Others should not have to deal with an issue of another like this. Wellness and DUI are inherently two different things. The idea behind wellness is to cut down on the substances that effect in ring performances. DUI's effect the out of ring things. I'm pretty sure the stars are responsible for their own travel. If Jay has to spend more time figuring out how to get from point A to be, that's fine. I am just questioning if wwe, should suspend him if he has figured out a way to get to all the places on time and it's not effecting the in ring product. |
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jan 16, 2018 20:48:44 GMT -5
Eventually you have to teach a lesson. WWE hates bad PR and killing a random person after a DWI/DUI would be horrible PR. Now will an USO be one that gets the first slap? Who knows but it is coming
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 16, 2018 20:51:23 GMT -5
Eventually you have to teach a lesson. WWE hates bad PR and killing a random person after a DWI/DUI would be horrible PR. Now will an USO be one that gets the first slap? Who knows but it is coming but how bad is the pr with this. It's making "news" right now, but will this even be a story by the weekend? |
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Post by Facetious on Jan 16, 2018 20:52:48 GMT -5
Eventually you have to teach a lesson. WWE hates bad PR and killing a random person after a DWI/DUI would be horrible PR. Now will an USO be one that gets the first slap? Who knows but it is coming but how bad is the pr with this. It's making "news" right now, but will this even be a story by the weekend? That's not the point they made. IF he had killed someone it would be a PR nightmare. |
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jan 16, 2018 20:54:58 GMT -5
Eventually you have to teach a lesson. WWE hates bad PR and killing a random person after a DWI/DUI would be horrible PR. Now will an USO be one that gets the first slap? Who knows but it is coming but how bad is the pr with this. It's making "news" right now, but will this even be a story by the weekend? Jimmy Usi today might blow over but whose to say the net guy/ gal who does it does not do something horrible then people dig things up and show they could have done something now. It’s better to nip it in the bud one incident before something goes bad than to do it one incident after something goes bad |
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Post by Kyn on Jan 16, 2018 21:13:44 GMT -5
With all the stories of wrestlers falling asleep driving fatigued & getting busted for DUI's, it's a minor miracle that the worst hasn't already happened. (As far as I know).
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 16, 2018 21:14:13 GMT -5
but how bad is the pr with this. It's making "news" right now, but will this even be a story by the weekend? Jimmy Usi today might blow over but whose to say the net guy/ gal who does it does not do something horrible then people dig things up and show they could have done something now. It’s better to nip it in the bud one incident before something goes bad than to do it one incident after something goes bad especially if they go back and see that there was a pretty extensive history of wrestlers getting DUI in the WWE back when FCW was open. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 21:24:39 GMT -5
You don't get it. Why is another being impacted by another stupid decision? It revolves around that. The saw can be said for anytime someone else gets a Wellness Violation during a hot angle because it hurts the other star as well. Same thing applies across the board to a lot of things. You're talking about working around situations without understanding the result of it. Others should not have to deal with an issue of another like this. Wellness and DUI are inherently two different things. The idea behind wellness is to cut down on the substances that effect in ring performances. DUI's effect the out of ring things. I'm pretty sure the stars are responsible for their own travel. If Jay has to spend more time figuring out how to get from point A to be, that's fine. I am just questioning if wwe, should suspend him if he has figured out a way to get to all the places on time and it's not effecting the in ring product. It doesn't matter if they're two different things because they both impact other employees of the company and that's the issue. You can break down which one others see more but at the end of the day both of them hurt others they interact with which connects to their job description. Employees are impacted. If we go by your logic of "well only things in-ring should matter" then a lot of problems such as personal relationship issues, warrants, and etc would be eliminated when it comes to the company. That doesn't work out. |
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 16, 2018 21:30:29 GMT -5
Wellness and DUI are inherently two different things. The idea behind wellness is to cut down on the substances that effect in ring performances. DUI's effect the out of ring things. I'm pretty sure the stars are responsible for their own travel. If Jay has to spend more time figuring out how to get from point A to be, that's fine. I am just questioning if wwe, should suspend him if he has figured out a way to get to all the places on time and it's not effecting the in ring product. It doesn't matter if they're two different things because they both impact other employees of the company and that's the issue. You can break down which one others see more but at the end of the day both of them hurt others they interact with which connects to their job description. Employees are impacted. If we go by your logic of "well only things in-ring should matter" then a lot of problems such as personal relationship issues, warrants, and etc would be eliminated when it comes to the company. That doesn't work out. You're using hurt in a very broad way here. Once again, if he has figured out a safe way to get to all the events it shouldn't matter how he got there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 21:39:51 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if they're two different things because they both impact other employees of the company and that's the issue. You can break down which one others see more but at the end of the day both of them hurt others they interact with which connects to their job description. Employees are impacted. If we go by your logic of "well only things in-ring should matter" then a lot of problems such as personal relationship issues, warrants, and etc would be eliminated when it comes to the company. That doesn't work out. You're using hurt in a very broad way here. Once again, if he has figured out a safe way to get to all the events it shouldn't matter how he got there. Hurt = Impacting others you interact with related to your driving If you drive half the way to to a town and you can't anymore, that means the other person you ride with has to now drive the whole way. Their schedule is now different, they're the one taking the load in this case. If said person gets hurt on the road and it's only the two of you, you somehow have to find a way to get to the other town. Someone is having to change how they do things due to your screw up and that's what it means by others "hurting" due to him screwing up. It's impacting other employees. It doesn't matter if he has other routes because others are definitely impacted in this case. The only way others aren't impacted is if he's never driven, if there's at least others in the car with them and only if they've never relied on him when it comes to public appearances and public relations because this is on his record, all of that is important. If that's the case? Then yeah, it's damage. You're focusing on work arounds but it's bigger than you think it is. You're not looking at everyone else when it comes to this, only how he can drive around now. It's not about that. |
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Post by Indiana Miz on Jan 16, 2018 21:53:12 GMT -5
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Post by Larryhausen on Jan 16, 2018 22:04:02 GMT -5
A lot of this thread seems to be "Well nobody got hurt, no harm no foul."
Here's the thing. If all a DUI gets you is a slap on the wrist, there's not much stopping you the next time, and possibly getting into some deep shit.
People are calling for preventative medicine. If DUI gets added into Wellness,or a new policy is created with similar punishments, then guys might put a lot more thought into things.
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Post by trollrogue on Jan 16, 2018 22:06:40 GMT -5
Push Jimmy to the moon as a singles guy, let Jey earn his cred back in singles with the hungry wolves on NXT for a few years. Bam.
Oh, but drop the titles to my boys CHAD AND SHELTON first though. I don't know why they don't use their first names as a team name, they sound so douchey as Preppy Jock Amateur Wrestling fancy lads.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 16, 2018 22:13:11 GMT -5
Eventually you have to teach a lesson. WWE hates bad PR and killing a random person after a DWI/DUI would be horrible PR. Now will an USO be one that gets the first slap? Who knows but it is coming but how bad is the pr with this. It's making "news" right now, but will this even be a story by the weekend? It doesn’t matter if it made news or not now. You do a harsh punishment so that shit is nipped in the future. If someone is stupid enough to get caught again than they know a worse punishment is going to come than the one before The point is to prevent something worse from happening than waiting for something to happen and then trying to pick up the pieces after |
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 16, 2018 22:21:08 GMT -5
You're using hurt in a very broad way here. Once again, if he has figured out a safe way to get to all the events it shouldn't matter how he got there. Hurt = Impacting others you interact with related to your driving If you drive half the way to to a town and you can't anymore, that means the other person you ride with has to now drive the whole way. Their schedule is now different, they're the one taking the load in this case. If said person gets hurt on the road and it's only the two of you, you somehow have to find a way to get to the other town. Someone is having to change how they do things due to your screw up and that's what it means by others "hurting" due to him screwing up. It's impacting other employees. It doesn't matter if he has other routes because others are definitely impacted in this case. The only way others aren't impacted is if he's never driven, if there's at least others in the car with them and only if they've never relied on him when it comes to public appearances and public relations because this is on his record, all of that is important. If that's the case? Then yeah, it's damage. You're focusing on work arounds but it's bigger than you think it is. You're not looking at everyone else when it comes to this, only how he can drive around now. It's not about that. I think you're overstating the harm done while under stating all the thing that can be done. A: cars hold more than 2 people. B: uber, taxi, buses exist. It's fully up to those people involved to figure out how much it hurts. |
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Jan 16, 2018 22:24:22 GMT -5
This is things the fans really need to be the most upset in regards to voicing outrage. If you can complain about failed, botched or mishandled pushes than you should be able to open your mouth about this If Lio Rush really did get all that heat from the company and this isn't treated like a big deal, that's absolutely ridiculous. I'd much rather have someone be a jerk on social media than do something that could have potentially killed someone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 22:25:41 GMT -5
Hurt = Impacting others you interact with related to your driving If you drive half the way to to a town and you can't anymore, that means the other person you ride with has to now drive the whole way. Their schedule is now different, they're the one taking the load in this case. If said person gets hurt on the road and it's only the two of you, you somehow have to find a way to get to the other town. Someone is having to change how they do things due to your screw up and that's what it means by others "hurting" due to him screwing up. It's impacting other employees. It doesn't matter if he has other routes because others are definitely impacted in this case. The only way others aren't impacted is if he's never driven, if there's at least others in the car with them and only if they've never relied on him when it comes to public appearances and public relations because this is on his record, all of that is important. If that's the case? Then yeah, it's damage. You're focusing on work arounds but it's bigger than you think it is. You're not looking at everyone else when it comes to this, only how he can drive around now. It's not about that. I think you're overstating the harm done while under stating all the thing that can be done. A: cars hold more than 2 people. B: uber, taxi, buses exist. It's fully up to those people involved to figure out how much it hurts. Dawg if you don't get it by now then I've given up explaining it to you. You're focusing too much on work arounds rather than everyone else having to do extra due to someone's screw up and that's the problem. People should not have to do more due to someone screwing up. It isn't about the ability to work around things, it's about the fact they have to work around at all due to something they have no part in. Having an Uber, a Taxi and such helps him out, it doesn't help his brother out when he has to make longer drives, doesn't help someone else out who now has to ride with his brother in case they're needed when they had their own situation, doesn't help out their wallets in case they need to spend money on other transportation because someone has a DUI, it's impacting other people. If you don't get that or you think other people being impacted doesn't matter much then you need to rethink things. |
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 16, 2018 22:46:06 GMT -5
I think you're overstating the harm done while under stating all the thing that can be done. A: cars hold more than 2 people. B: uber, taxi, buses exist. It's fully up to those people involved to figure out how much it hurts. Dawg if you don't get it by now then I've given up explaining it to you. You're focusing too much on work arounds rather than everyone else having to do extra due to someone's screw up and that's the problem. People should not have to do more due to someone screwing up. It isn't about the ability to work around things, it's about the fact they have to work around at all due to something they have no part in. Having an Uber, a Taxi and such helps him out, it doesn't help his brother out when he has to make longer drives, doesn't help someone else out who now has to ride with his brother in case they're needed when they had their own situation, doesn't help out their wallets in case they need to spend money on other transportation because someone has a DUI, it's impacting other people. If you don't get that or you think other people being impacted doesn't matter much then you need to rethink things. No, I'm saying that it's not impacting people. I am saying on all the inconveniences of road life that this probably ranks really low, and probably not to the level of needing to suspend him for being inconsiderate. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 16, 2018 22:49:31 GMT -5
Dawg if you don't get it by now then I've given up explaining it to you. You're focusing too much on work arounds rather than everyone else having to do extra due to someone's screw up and that's the problem. People should not have to do more due to someone screwing up. It isn't about the ability to work around things, it's about the fact they have to work around at all due to something they have no part in. Having an Uber, a Taxi and such helps him out, it doesn't help his brother out when he has to make longer drives, doesn't help someone else out who now has to ride with his brother in case they're needed when they had their own situation, doesn't help out their wallets in case they need to spend money on other transportation because someone has a DUI, it's impacting other people. If you don't get that or you think other people being impacted doesn't matter much then you need to rethink things. No, I'm saying that it's not impacting people. I am saying on all the inconveniences of road life that this probably ranks really low, and probably not to the level of needing to suspend him for being inconsiderate. Yess, it does because you're not just being "inconsiderate" You are putting your life and other peoples lives on the road at risk driving under the influence |
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