Would WWE be better off with more jobber matches?

[Ryback on a Pole!]

Jan 19, 2018 3:38:07 GMT -5 vinnysimmo said:

Jan 18, 2018 22:21:06 GMT -5 Ryback on a Pole! said:

No, unless it's a hoss demolishing someone jobber matches are boring.

I don't need to see Heath having a 2 minute squash match with some pasty no-name from the Indy's.

But him having the odd match of that kind means that everyone knows what his finisher is and have seen him put people away with it. That will make the next time he faces someone good more interesting.

True, but it's boring bto see.

Let him have matches and wins over someone half decent instead. There's no reason for Heath and Rhyno to be squashed by whoever they were fed to a few weeks ago.

Does nothing for nobody. Granted, time is limited but have multi-man matches featuring the jobbers. 6 person tag, 4 ways etc with each lower card guy picking up a win occasionally.

Rhyno beats Apollo one week, Crews and Titus win a tag match the next, Heath, Rhyno and Goldust beat Titus Brand + Hawkins the next, Apollo gets a win in a 4 way with Heath, Hawkins and Goldust after and so on.

Not ideal, but it'd give the lower card guys a chance to win. I think it'd be better than just throwing them in with a scrub from a bingo hall.

Raw is a 3 hour show. Surely they can find something to cut to free up 6 or 7 minutes to give the lower card guys some matches with each other and pick up a few wins.

[Toilet Paper Roll]

100%

There's so many throwaway matches that make the actual PPV matches into the seventh or eighth confrontation between two guys, and there's also a good hence they'll be wrestling a few more times over the next month.

[nisidhe]

Live attendances at Raw and SDL are already down because of the tedium involved with creating a live TV experience. Throw a bunch of jobber matches into that mix and they'll need to start booking the Manhattan Center again on a regular basis.

The answer is in booking feuds like they used to do for Saturday Night's Main Event in its prime - establishing and pushing feuds along with "proxy wars" - putting opponents into tag matches or into matches with stablemates or friends of the opponent only for said opponent to interfere or pop up on the Titantron or even doing backstage interactions like when Braun busts up shit. It just requires some attention to detail, a willingness to follow through and using every opportunity you have to start or advance a story.

[Feargus McReddit]

I don't think anyone is saying they want the return of The Wrestling Challenge or anything like that with rows of jobber matches.

In my mind, I don't get the logic of Braun Strowman, for example, beating up Curt Hawkins for weeks on end when you've already established Curt's not worth much. It doesn't make the audience feel like Curt deserves it for being a nasty heel because he's barely on at this point to matter.

What made Braun work to people, and probably what helped him more than squashing Mahal, Hawkins or Slater every week, is squashing no names who made Strowman look like a total beast.

If you debut someone like an Asuka, why couldn't you have local talent come in who can sell, make her look like a killer and have the audience go "Man, what'll happen when she faces someone like Fox" and build to a PPV match between the two where she, well, kills her too?

And, like someone said before, it gives the lower to upper midcard time to do more stuff together and build to bigger matches for the main eventers instead of having those people fight every week until a PPV match after you've seen them about 20,000 times.

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

Absolutely. Especially for the champions, world or midcard titles alike. They need to be protected much more than they are, and they won't have to job to their upcoming challengers every other Raw or Smackdown.

[axebomber]

They desperately need them back. Like others have said, it's a way to protect the main guys from injury and over exposure. It would make them seem larger than life again. It's a frame of reference tool to make WWE superstars seem like the best in the world. Having parity booking is boring. Everyone is just spinning their wheels. It makes it seem like a touring group of performers putting on the same show everywhere and less like a sports fed. I don't think it would hurt ratings because they don't advertise matches ahead of time anymore anyway. If a little kid wants to see Cena and Reigns, that's all they care about. For every person that hates squashes there's a fan that loves them (like me). And it would only help PPV buy rates since superstars would be facing each other less frequently.

[Yacht Persona]

Yes, absolutely. 50/50 booking is killing the ability of stars to get over and seem credible for years. They could also use a television championship rather than the useless mid-card titles they have now, and promote television championship matches as a big deal. Also, have shorter matches on television and save the real beaters for the PPVs, that way characters and storylines beyond the main event can be focused on more.

[Drillbit Taylor]

Yes. 3 min enhancement match plus a promo from the other guy/ gal and a 30 second highlights of announcers recapping and hyping said wrestler easily can kill 5 min. Do that 3 Times a night that’s 1/4 hour of making talent look good at the expense of no one on the rostrt

[Hit Girl]

Yes, they are essential in wrestling.

[Milkman Norm]

Yes. And bring back TV job guys who can bump and sell but don't look like athletic superstars. lt makes the talent look *that* much better if it appears they are destoying a regular person.

[MolotovMocktail]

I've been meaning to ask this question for some time now, and I have to agree. Doing name guys for every match was good for the Attitude Era, but with no real competition, WWE now cheapens some performers, and most of their ppv's. Make TV more about building to the ppv, and hype every upcoming match as must-see. Even the ones that will probably suck will at least have some mystique and curiosity behind them.

[Hit Girl]

You need three tiers of jobbers

1- The absolute ham n eggers. The kind of unathletic looking guys with bad tights and no nicknames and a shitty home town like "currently in the ring, from Dust Heap, Nebraska, weighing 201 pounds, Jim.....Fudgeberg!" who would then proceed to be utterly murdered by a heel.

2- The slightly bigger and distinct jobber like Iron Mike Sharpe or Black Bart. They put up slightly more of a fight and get a little bit of offence and usually compete against faces.

3- Jobbers to the Stars like Bo Dallas and Curtis Axel. They never beat real stars, but still get victories over Tier 1 jobbers.


Jobber matches keep the stars away from each other, avoids match repetitions, and allow wrestlers to build momentum. Quick matches are also useful because they can fit between commercial breaks. Nothing kills my interest in a match more than multiple interruptions for adverts.

They should have been reintroduced in 2002.

[Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite]

For a three hour program they can stand to have 2-3 jobber matches.

Not EVERYBODY can be in a big time feud/angle all the time, so this would be a good way to keep guys/gals who aren't doing anything on the show in a way that doesn't hurt their credibility and allows them to showcase their talent/character.