Would WWE be better off with more jobber matches?

[topdawg]

Benefits: 
*Decreased workload for the wrestlers. Instead of having to work 15 min. PPV quality matches every Mon/Tue, they can can work about 3 min. beating up some enhancement guy and decrease the wear and tear on the body. This would also hopefully cut down on the injuries that have been occurring.

*Making PPV matches feel bigger. It seems 3/4 of the time, PPV matches have already occurred about 50 times on free TV. "Oh wow, these two fighting again. I've never seen that before." By cutting back on the matches between contracted wrestlers, it would increase the importance of when they finally do fight.

*Increasing wrestler credibility. While people had other issues with Jinder becoming champion, one of the biggest issues was the fact that for years he had been booked to lose almost every match he had. Then, when WWE decides to push him, it doesn't come across as believable. Here's a guy who couldn't win if his life depended on it, and now he's winning left and right and winning the title. By using local jobbers, you decrease the losses by guys on the roster and make it more believable when/if you finally decide to push them.

Drawbacks:
*Decrease in tv ratings. I personally love squash matches, but most people probably have little interest in them. It would be up to having good segments/storylines to keep people tuned in, and I don't trust the creative team in that department.

*Decrease in attendance. It's doubtful people would spend money to go an event where most the matches are going to be 5 minute beatdowns. While they worked back before the Monday Night Wars, people are now used to seeing PPV matches at RAW/Smackdown and would want to see the same thing.


So, how do the rest of you feel about this. Would an increase of jobber matches be a good thing or is the current method of long, major matches on tv still the way to go?

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Yeah and when the jobbers start juicing they're potential world champions...

[msc]

Yes.

[Ben Wyatt]

Yes. The star vs star forumla created by the Monday Night Wars have had a massive down side

[The Gallus Mark]

Yes. And the roster is big enough to where not everyone needs to show up every week too. A couple jobber matches every show can showcase the talent just fine and would build up the PPV's without wasting big matches all the time.

[Feargus McReddit]

Honestly, yes and I have no idea why they pay people a yearly wage to job all the time when it costs a tonne less to get a local indie talent in to make your next star look good.

[King Devitt: What Plants Crave]

Yup. And the ratings would probably remain exactly the same to boot.

[Rican]

Yes. They shouldn't swing too far in the opposite direction, but something like 2 or 3 "big" matches per show and the rest being jobber squashes and big angles/interviews for character development.

[Ryback on a Pole!]

No, unless it's a hoss demolishing someone jobber matches are boring.

I don't need to see Heath having a 2 minute squash match with some pasty no-name from the Indy's.

[Deleted]

I wouldn't mind more jobber matches.

Too many people have had their credibility hurt over the years with the constant losing they endure due to the "star vs star" culture put in place since the Monday Night Wars.

Having name talent face each other was a fresh and novel concept when it was introduced in the late 90's. It was a device used to draw in ratings and add to the "anything can happen" aspect of that era.

Years later and only one big company left? There's no point anymore. All it does now is overexpose people and lessen their value.

Having the stars destroy "no name" curtain jerkers can help build up their credibilty and make them seem like a big deal.

Losing to other stars does not. It makes them look like chumps.

It would also put to the rest the cries of "wrestler X" is being buried by losing to "wrestler Y" and the whole "looking good in defeat- oh wait, nevermind" stuff.

Only way it would be a good idea to continue the star vs star formula is if the WWE were experiencing a boom period.

[Sigma: Current SRW Champ!]

I'm all for 2 or so jobber matches to build some people up when they start out or need to come back up after losing a feud or getting a gimmick change.

[Final Countdown Jones]

The fact your main two drawbacks are "lower ratings" and "lower attendance" in a time when both are down, then no I don't think we're going to see more jobber matches coming up. Yes, there are some problems inherent with how the '90s kind of demanded a certain level of star power on shows, but there's no recovering from that.

What WWE needs to do is learn how to manage their time better so it's not just two guys fighting every week in the lead up to their PPV match. New Japan makes sure that from late August until January 4th, the G1 Climax winner and the champion don't face each other in singles competition. They'll have confrontations, they'll have tag matches, they'll have interactions, but they don't have them just fight in a random nothing match. The problem isn't star vs. star booking the problem is that WWE is lazy.

[horseface]

In a lot of ways, yeah. It would be a disaster for viewership of the weekly shows, but in terms of creating a better atmosphere for the bigger event shows it would do wonders.

Not sure you can get this genie back in its bottle.

[Deleted]

They should do one or two a Raw, but it's not remotely something that should be happening all week, every week.

That said, WWE would also solve a lot of problems if they'd stop ghettoing people when it comes to who they're allowed to interact with. Why not do something like Reigns vs. Crews or Elias vs. Rhyno once in awhile?

[Heeltown, USA]

Infinitely

Every matchup has been done a hundred times, and Im only talking tv here.

[Deleted]

Regular jobber matches worked with a longer period between PPVs. We won't ever have a long period between PPVs again.

Now there's a RAW PPV, a few shows and then it's the go home show for the next RAW PPV (or big 4 ppv etc). There's hardly any time to sell the PPV matches as it is.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Jan 18, 2018 23:02:32 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

The fact your main two drawbacks are "lower ratings" and "lower attendance" in a time when both are down, then no I don't think we're going to see more jobber matches coming up. Yes, there are some problems inherent with how the '90s kind of demanded a certain level of star power on shows, but there's no recovering from that.

What WWE needs to do is learn how to manage their time better so it's not just two guys fighting every week in the lead up to their PPV match. New Japan makes sure that from late August until January 4th, the G1 Climax winner and the champion don't face each other in singles competition. They'll have confrontations, they'll have tag matches, they'll have interactions, but they don't have them just fight in a random nothing match. The problem isn't star vs. star booking the problem is that WWE is lazy.

Yeah, the genie is out of the bottle on a show made up of jobber squashes and then maybe two midcarders fighting in the main event.

Some jobber squashes to build a debuting/repackaged/returning wrestler sure.

But a show of just jobbers is no longer feasible.

The WWE do need to learn to rotate their stars/storylines so that people that are feuding aren't in tag matches against each other or just flat out wrestling each other each and every week.

WWE's booking for a long time has been we'll have Bob and Joe feud... they'll cut a promo on each other and then Bob and Joe will wrestle that night.

the next week Bob and Joe will cut a promo on each other... and then have a tag match against each other...

and then they'll promo and ahve a match.

Now watch the ppv so you can see Bob and Joe have another match!

When they've already had like 4... but they don't count because reasons.

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Jan 19, 2018 1:27:22 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Jan 18, 2018 23:02:32 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

The fact your main two drawbacks are "lower ratings" and "lower attendance" in a time when both are down, then no I don't think we're going to see more jobber matches coming up. Yes, there are some problems inherent with how the '90s kind of demanded a certain level of star power on shows, but there's no recovering from that.

What WWE needs to do is learn how to manage their time better so it's not just two guys fighting every week in the lead up to their PPV match. New Japan makes sure that from late August until January 4th, the G1 Climax winner and the champion don't face each other in singles competition. They'll have confrontations, they'll have tag matches, they'll have interactions, but they don't have them just fight in a random nothing match. The problem isn't star vs. star booking the problem is that WWE is lazy.

Yeah, the genie is out of the bottle on a show made up of jobber squashes and then maybe two midcarders fighting in the main event.

Some jobber squashes to build a debuting/repackaged/returning wrestler sure.

But a show of just jobbers is no longer feasible.

The WWE do need to learn to rotate their stars/storylines so that people that are feuding aren't in tag matches against each other or just flat out wrestling each other each and every week.

WWE's booking for a long time has been we'll have Bob and Joe feud... they'll cut a promo on each other and then Bob and Joe will wrestle that night.

the next week Bob and Joe will cut a promo on each other... and then have a tag match against each other...

and then they'll promo and ahve a match.

Now watch the ppv so you can see Bob and Joe have another match!

When they've already had like 4... but they don't count because reasons.

I don't get why they don't dust off some occasional standbys from back in the day of doing, like, WWE Champion vs. guy feuding with the Intercontinental Champion and vice-versa, or tag matches of the pair. Intermingle some shit every now and then, it's a hell of a lot better than, "This week Roman Reigns fights Kevin Owens, then next week he fights Kevin Owens, then he fights Chris Jericho, then he fights Kevin Owens, tune into the pay-per-view where he fights Kevin Owens!"

[Final Countdown Jones]

Jan 19, 2018 2:18:44 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Jan 19, 2018 1:27:22 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Yeah, the genie is out of the bottle on a show made up of jobber squashes and then maybe two midcarders fighting in the main event.

Some jobber squashes to build a debuting/repackaged/returning wrestler sure.

But a show of just jobbers is no longer feasible.

The WWE do need to learn to rotate their stars/storylines so that people that are feuding aren't in tag matches against each other or just flat out wrestling each other each and every week.

WWE's booking for a long time has been we'll have Bob and Joe feud... they'll cut a promo on each other and then Bob and Joe will wrestle that night.

the next week Bob and Joe will cut a promo on each other... and then have a tag match against each other...

and then they'll promo and ahve a match.

Now watch the ppv so you can see Bob and Joe have another match!

When they've already had like 4... but they don't count because reasons.

I don't get why they don't dust off some occasional standbys from back in the day of doing, like, WWE Champion vs. guy feuding with the Intercontinental Champion and vice-versa, or tag matches of the pair. Intermingle some shit every now and then, it's a hell of a lot better than, "This week Roman Reigns fights Kevin Owens, then next week he fights Kevin Owens, then he fights Chris Jericho, then he fights Kevin Owens, tune into the pay-per-view where he fights Kevin Owens!"

Because the show is now written week-to-week with constant rewrites and changes, and almost zero long-term creative vision.

[vinnysimmo]

Jan 18, 2018 22:21:06 GMT -5 Ryback on a Pole! said:

No, unless it's a hoss demolishing someone jobber matches are boring.

I don't need to see Heath having a 2 minute squash match with some pasty no-name from the Indy's.

But him having the odd match of that kind means that everyone knows what his finisher is and have seen him put people away with it. That will make the next time he faces someone good more interesting.