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Post by Pierre the Renaissance Man on Jan 20, 2018 16:31:39 GMT -5
With the recent news that the deaths of Tom Petty and Roy Halladay were drug related, does it make anyone else not feel as bad for them? I find myself feeling the same way towards people who commit suicide. If your death is caused by something you did to yourself that could have been prevented, I really have a hard time feeling sad. I feel for their family and friends but I lose my empathy for that person. Even when someone commits suicide I don’t think people should talk of them “passing away”. I know it’s a grim outlook on things and it’s bound to be controversial but is there anyone else that feels the same as me?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 20, 2018 16:33:47 GMT -5
Not really. People with substance abuse issues and or mental health issues are sick, they need compassion not condemnation.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 20, 2018 16:34:36 GMT -5
I feel very sad for people who commit suicide because they lost a battle with mental illness. I mean I'm not gonna sit on my high horse about someone dying from cancer so why should I be any different about say bipolar disorder? My cousin killed himself when he was 16 and he had been very mentally ill for a long time. I've never once felt his death was any less tragic because he did it himself.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 20, 2018 16:45:29 GMT -5
My mum died of lung cancer. She smoked heavily her entire adult life and knew it would kill her. She did it to herself and could have been prevented. Didn’t hurt any less when she died though.
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Post by Pierre the Renaissance Man on Jan 20, 2018 16:52:22 GMT -5
I’m not saying that the actual death hurts any less. To me the sadness isn’t the same. I’ve had friends die of overdoses and it hurts. Yet I feel more anger than anything. I don’t know how people can justify doing something like heroin when they know it can be deadly. I know it’s not the same but I liken it to someone being killed while running into a highway. Why do something you know can kill you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 16:55:08 GMT -5
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Jan 20, 2018 17:00:11 GMT -5
I lost nearly my entire family to alcoholism. I begged them to stop and to get help so many times. I even did what I could to get them help but they didn’t want to change so it didn’t end up making a difference. I understand that you feel that it’s hard to feel bad for people that do things to themselves. I get what you’re saying. I just hope you never have someone you care about with all your heart go through an addiction that takes them down a dark path. It will change some of your outlook on life. It’s easy not to care about something until it affects someone you care deeply about.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 20, 2018 17:01:53 GMT -5
I’m not saying that the actual death hurts any less. To me the sadness isn’t the same. I’ve had friends die of overdoses and it hurts. Yet I feel more anger than anything. I don’t know how people can justify doing something like heroin when they know it can be deadly. I know it’s not the same but I liken it to someone being killed while running into a highway. Why do something you know can kill you? Because what can’t kill you? Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean the potential outcome isn’t as devastating as something illegal. I certainly didn’t feel any anger towards my mother for her death even though she arguably had just as much control over it as someone with a heroin addiction or a mental illness. |
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Post by edgestar on Jan 20, 2018 17:03:21 GMT -5
I feel at least, like with Tom Petty, his ailments were causing him to go to that extreme. I never knew the man, but for some reason, I don't think he was using for the high, but for some relief.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 20, 2018 17:09:31 GMT -5
With the recent news that the deaths of Tom Petty and Roy Halladay were drug related, does it make anyone else not feel as bad for them? I find myself feeling the same way towards people who commit suicide. If your death is caused by something you did to yourself that could have been prevented, I really have a hard time feeling sad. I feel for their family and friends but I lose my empathy for that person. Even when someone commits suicide I don’t think people should talk of them “passing away”. I know it’s a grim outlook on things and it’s bound to be controversial but is there anyone else that feels the same as me? I'd say it's lacking in empathy and understanding about addiction and mental health issues, and that you should educate yourself more about both. |
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jan 20, 2018 17:13:06 GMT -5
I’m not saying that the actual death hurts any less. To me the sadness isn’t the same. I’ve had friends die of overdoses and it hurts. Yet I feel more anger than anything. I don’t know how people can justify doing something like heroin when they know it can be deadly. I know it’s not the same but I liken it to someone being killed while running into a highway. Why do something you know can kill you? I live and work at an epicenter of the prescription pill / heroin epidemic. It has destroyed so many lives, pulled people down from great heights, and destroyed them right before my eyes. It is an addiction like no other. People come into it in different ways, but once they enter there's maybe 1% that can pull themselves back out again. I remember a kid that used to come in all the time, his life was over at 19, from the drugs he got addicted to, he just didn't know it yet. He's homeless, I see him walk around all the time in town. I'm pretty sure I'm going to be the one to bury him, because no one else cares. Prescription pills are the worst, and are the real gateway drug. |
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 20, 2018 17:35:27 GMT -5
And although it should go without saying, I’m saying it anyway.... This thread has the potential to get very ugly, very quickly.
Please be careful with what you post and respect others opinions. Don’t make any blanket statements about addictions and mental illness.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jan 20, 2018 18:17:32 GMT -5
I agree. Same with obese people who kill themselves with food, or alcoholics who drink themselves to death.
It's still sad, but i don't feel bad for them.
I don't quite feel this way about suicide, because many of these cases result from mental or emotional disorders - true diseases. IMO, alcohol/drug/food addiction are not diseases . They are a product of irresponsibility
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Post by chazraps on Jan 20, 2018 18:33:28 GMT -5
With the recent news that the deaths of Tom Petty and Roy Halladay were drug related, does it make anyone else not feel as bad for them? I find myself feeling the same way towards people who commit suicide. If your death is caused by something you did to yourself that could have been prevented, I really have a hard time feeling sad. I feel for their family and friends but I lose my empathy for that person. Even when someone commits suicide I don’t think people should talk of them “passing away”. I know it’s a grim outlook on things and it’s bound to be controversial but is there anyone else that feels the same as me? I think you're missing a key factor on "Drug related deaths." It's not recreation use that caused a substantial chunk of these. It's pain management. Case in point, Prince. He had dual hip-replacement and was in intense, intense pain. He had a DOCTOR'S PRESCRIPTION for opiate-based pain killers. It wasn't working, so a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL increased the dosage. The morning of Prince's death, he was getting he 100% LEGAL prescription filled at a Walgreen's. You can't label all deaths involving drugs as "caused by something you did to yourself that could have been prevented." Same thing with terms like "Accidental overdose." While it's predominantly used as a euphemism for recreational drug deaths, it's the same term when someone mistakenly takes their legally prescribed doses too close to each other, hence the spike in the need for second autopsies following deaths in 2010 or so. We can't control how we feel, but it would benefit you to explore your own levels of understanding of what would drive someone to suicide. Are there cases where it's a coward fleeing the consequences of his actions while awaiting sentencing in prison or escaping tax evasion? Sure. However, the overwhelming amount of suicides are the result of mental health issues that many struggle to get under control but can't. They don't want to kill themselves. It's not selfish. They're the victims of an illness the same way any other disorder or sickness kills. |
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Post by chazraps on Jan 20, 2018 18:34:39 GMT -5
I agree. Same with obese people who kill themselves with food, or alcoholics who drink themselves to death. It's still sad, but i don't feel bad for them. I don't quite feel this way about suicide, because many of these cases result from mental or emotional disorders - true diseases. IMO, alcohol/drug/food addiction are not diseases . They are a product of irresponsibility What about drug addictions that stem from a doctor over-prescribing a patient medicine legally and then find themselves addicted with no guidance as to how to stop? |
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Post by MC Blowfish on Jan 20, 2018 18:39:25 GMT -5
From what I understand Tom Petty fractured his hip and refused to let his fans down. He continued to tour and made it worse. Which led to him abusing the drugs. He was acting in a pretty selfless manner doing what he did. He made the choice to keep his fans friendly over his own health.
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Post by Juice on Jan 20, 2018 18:42:13 GMT -5
These discussions are always mute to me. My mom and best friend died from over doses of heroine and hey that has nothing to do with why I have conpassion for,the subject. I care about people. Simple human compassion is all it is.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 20, 2018 18:50:24 GMT -5
Not at all. Mental Illness is real and the fact that people lose the battles to those diseases is no less sad than those that loss their battles with cancer.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 20, 2018 18:57:33 GMT -5
I agree. Same with obese people who kill themselves with food, or alcoholics who drink themselves to death. It's still sad, but i don't feel bad for them. I don't quite feel this way about suicide, because many of these cases result from mental or emotional disorders - true diseases. IMO, alcohol/drug/food addiction are not diseases . They are a product of irresponsibility What about drug addictions that stem from a doctor over-prescribing a patient medicine legally and then find themselves addicted with no guidance as to how to stop? Exactly. The opioid/heroin addiction epidemic is rooted in legally-prescribed opiates that are given to patients to manage pain. They get addicted without realizing it. |
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jan 20, 2018 19:09:06 GMT -5
What about drug addictions that stem from a doctor over-prescribing a patient medicine legally and then find themselves addicted with no guidance as to how to stop? Exactly. The opioid/heroin addiction epidemic is rooted in legally-prescribed opiates that are given to patients to manage pain. They get addicted without realizing it. And let’s not forget how much the pharmaceutical lobbies are complicit in this, as well. |
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