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Post by crowley1986 on Jan 28, 2018 14:01:43 GMT -5
If they're completely rebooting the show, and not doing something like "Greatest American Heroine" I hope they keep the main character somewhat incompetent like her male counterpart. Also, I'd like to see the "expert" assigned to help her also be recast as a woman. not in this climate they wont show a female being incompetent/bumbling , unless they want a twitter/tumblr backlash
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Post by MC Blowfish on Jan 28, 2018 14:05:44 GMT -5
Well here comes a bunch of butthurt dudes complaining about SJWs and so on, so on.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 28, 2018 14:23:15 GMT -5
It's a pretty funny show based on Eddie Huang's life, based on his book of the same name, as the American-born son of Taiwanese immigrants in Orlando. It's sort of like Everybody Hates Chris in format where the narrator is an adult reminiscing about his wacky life as a kid. Ray Wise also plays the next door neighbor to the Huangs and he's hilarious. Mostly because he's the polar opposite of every typical Ray Wise character. Thanks, that sounds worth checking out. I'll add it to my 'to watch' list. My lady got me into Fresh off the Boat. Really funny show. And it doesn't lean to hard on the 90s stuff.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 28, 2018 15:40:32 GMT -5
Well here comes a bunch of butthurt dudes complaining about SJWs and so on, so on. See, I don't always have an issue with this. It's just that most of the examples just seem forced. Wonder Woman got over just for being freakin' Wonder Woman. Changing Thor's gender, or the Ghostbusters ordeal are just not as organic. Neither is this. And one of the above posts makes a good point. If GAH is not partially played for laughs like the original, why bother? As I said, just dig into the Marvel mythos and you have lots of characters to make a new show about.
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 28, 2018 16:07:46 GMT -5
I'm more concerned with the fact that the main character is going to be a drunken party girl. Yeah, I understand the suit's going to make her more responsible and all, but why not give her some sort of job (even Ralph was a teacher)? Otherwise it looks like the aliens just gave the suit to the first person they ran into.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Jan 28, 2018 16:10:53 GMT -5
Well here comes a bunch of butthurt dudes complaining about SJWs and so on, so on. See, I don't always have an issue with this. It's just that most of the examples just seem forced. Wonder Woman got over just for being freakin' Wonder Woman. Changing Thor's gender, or the Ghostbusters ordeal are just not as organic. Neither is this. And one of the above posts makes a good point. If GAH is not partially played for laughs like the original, why bother? As I said, just dig into the Marvel mythos and you have lots of characters to make a new show about. Wonder Woman has always been a woman though. How was changing Thor to a woman or the Ghostbusters not organic? Thor is based on old myth and overall those carry the Mjolnir is worthy. The original Thor was no longer worthy. I've never seen the remake to Ghostbusters. It didn't look funny to me, but it got WAY too much hate just because it was women. Who cares if it was women or Seth Rogan and company?
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 28, 2018 16:36:35 GMT -5
Women need more fair representation on screen. I don't give a rat's ass if it's "organic" or not. I just want fresh portrayals that go against the norm.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 28, 2018 16:38:42 GMT -5
There's nothing 'inorganic' about giving the GAH suit to a woman. The property hasn't been around in any viable form for over thirty years. This isn't some status quo altering thing that's coming out of nowhere and flying into the face of continuity or blah blah blah. This was a dormant franchise where a company's goin: "Wanna bring that back? Might make some money off some name recognition." "Ok." "How bout if the suit wearer has ovaries?" "Ok."
Is some of the change rooted in trying to get some more eyes/money? It's the entertainment business, EVERY decision is looked to to get some more eyes and money. But this one, if it even comes to pass, has a pretty harmless one.
The concept is: regular person gets a hold of a fantastic suit. They're kind of a nebbish, and the suit doesn't come with instructions, hijinks ensue. Not one thing in that premise requires said nebbish to have a dick.
And again, this is a series that ran for three seasons 35 years ago. There's nothing 'organic' about dusting off a dead franchise in the first place to be honest. It's just trying to bring back a concept that does at least have some pop culture name and doing it again. If you're gonna do that, why not put a sitcom actress in the lead role? Doesn't harm anything, concept is exactly the same, could be fun.
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Post by Goldenbane on Jan 28, 2018 17:07:56 GMT -5
Women need more fair representation on screen. I don't give a rat's ass if it's "organic" or not. I just want fresh portrayals that go against the norm. They do need more fair representation on screen. No more "perfect" woman who can out think everyone else and out fight everyone else. No more "loud angry black woman from the hood" characters. No more "Like oh my god, what a valley girl" types. No more "Lol, aren't I so random!" women. How about a black woman who's an awkward nerd like Egon Spengler? What about a heroine who actually gets her ass handed to her in the first couple of fights when she goes out...or, at the very least, beats up the thugs handily, but gets destroyed against the "big boss" type villain and has to go back to either retrain or come up with a device/strategy/whatever to beat them? I'm so sick of female characters falling into the same three or four stereotypes over and over and over again. The "perfect" female hero is boring as hell and there's no where to go with them. All the men (or women) want them, they are stronger than everyone, faster than everyone, better at fighting then everyone, have awesome engineer high paying style jobs, live in lavish neighborhoods in beautiful homes. Other than the dumb trope of "having kids" where can such a character go from there? Have her start at the bottom and fight her way up. Yeah, great, she's a strong woman. Show us how she got there, damn it!
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 28, 2018 17:18:47 GMT -5
Women need more fair representation on screen. I don't give a rat's ass if it's "organic" or not. I just want fresh portrayals that go against the norm. They do need more fair representation on screen. No more "perfect" woman who can out think everyone else and out fight everyone else. No more "loud angry black woman from the hood" characters. No more "Like oh my god, what a valley girl" types. No more "Lol, aren't I so random!" women. How about a black woman who's an awkward nerd like Egon Spengler? What about a heroine who actually gets her ass handed to her in the first couple of fights when she goes out...or, at the very least, beats up the thugs handily, but gets destroyed against the "big boss" type villain and has to go back to either retrain or come up with a device/strategy/whatever to beat them? I'm so sick of female characters falling into the same three or four stereotypes over and over and over again. The "perfect" female hero is boring as hell and there's no where to go with them. All the men (or women) want them, they are stronger than everyone, faster than everyone, better at fighting then everyone, have awesome engineer high paying style jobs, live in lavish neighborhoods in beautiful homes. Other than the dumb trope of "having kids" where can such a character go from there? Have her start at the bottom and fight her way up. Yeah, great, she's a strong woman. Show us how she got there, damn it! The way you're describing fictional women in your post comes off like it's limited. Because I haven't seen any sort of underlying trend of female characters that could be considered perfect. Those "three or four" stereotypes aren't the norm these days.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 28, 2018 18:46:24 GMT -5
Oh, FFS. So for those keeping score: we're losing two of the best sitcoms of the 2010s in this and the next season, others have been shut down before their time like The Real O'Neals...and we're getting Roseanne and American Idol Redux in return, and now this. ABC is going down faster than a....oh, better not use that crack, in the spirit of this brave and groundbreaking "idea" I don't want to say anything misogynistic. Let me guess, they're going to totally deflate me and lose American Housewife to make more room for things like these? And it's not like there's a score of other female Marvel heroes they could have used if they wanted to glom off the success of Wonder Woman, which unlike forced efforts like this, organically appealed to women, and yes SJWs, and well, everybody. Then again, with the way ABC Marvel shows have gone... You know, this is making me FORGET about the wall-bangingness of reviving the XFL!!! What's next, cancelling American Housewife for a Growing Pains reboot with a CGI Alan Thicke? Oh and original article? Bringing up Ghostbusters '16 is SO not the way to make people think this is a good thing. Amen. "What if X character was......... wait for it....... X instead of X?" "I don't know, what if you had an original idea?" It's not like there's ever a slick storytelling angle to any such swapjob that justifies it. At it's core, it's just hack. I'm fine with female led properties if A) That's the source (Wonder Woman, Black Widow) B) The character is part of an ensemble group and the originals are still there (Green Lantern) C) An Original idea Switching genders.......just because is just lazy. This can easily fit into (B) if it's made as a sequel to the original and the original guy gives it to this new candidate who is woman, Sure it's still "Box ticking" but at least they're still showing respect to the original. (Granted outside of the theme I know f*** all about the show as over here almost nobody even knows this show exists.)
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Post by crowley1986 on Jan 28, 2018 20:01:13 GMT -5
Amen. "What if X character was......... wait for it....... X instead of X?" "I don't know, what if you had an original idea?" It's not like there's ever a slick storytelling angle to any such swapjob that justifies it. At it's core, it's just hack. I'm fine with female led properties if A) That's the source (Wonder Woman, Black Widow) B) The character is part of an ensemble group and the originals are still there (Green Lantern) C) An Original idea
Switching genders.......just because is just lazy. This can easily fit into (B) if it's made as a sequel to the original and the original guy gives it to this new candidate who is woman, Sure it's still "Box ticking" but at least they're still showing respect to the original. (Granted outside of the theme I know f*** all about the show as over here almost nobody even knows this show exists.) Agree with this...its just too lazy, oh lets switch, ive no problem if its original idea, the source rather than forced, I'm not particularly familiar this show but I'm getting sick of the laziness of the writers, what next, oh lets change Bond/Batman
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Post by Jiren on Jan 28, 2018 20:06:47 GMT -5
I'm fine with female led properties if A) That's the source (Wonder Woman, Black Widow) B) The character is part of an ensemble group and the originals are still there (Green Lantern) C) An Original idea
Switching genders.......just because is just lazy. This can easily fit into (B) if it's made as a sequel to the original and the original guy gives it to this new candidate who is woman, Sure it's still "Box ticking" but at least they're still showing respect to the original. (Granted outside of the theme I know f*** all about the show as over here almost nobody even knows this show exists.) Agree with this...its just too lazy, oh lets switch, ive no problem if its original idea, the source rather than forced, I'm not particularly familiar this show but I'm getting sick of the laziness of the writers, what next, oh lets change Bond/Batman - Bond has been talked about, Mainly by the SJWs (A female british spy in the bond universe is OK though since there's a few of em) - We already have Batwoman but for Bruce Wayne then I can buy if it's an alternate universe (Have it be Thomas & Bruce are shot and Martha survives, but instead of going insane like Flashpoint she becomes Batwoman of that universe)
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Post by crowley1986 on Jan 28, 2018 20:12:47 GMT -5
Agree with this...its just too lazy, oh lets switch, ive no problem if its original idea, the source rather than forced, I'm not particularly familiar this show but I'm getting sick of the laziness of the writers, what next, oh lets change Bond/Batman - Bond has been talked about, Mainly by the SJWs (A female british spy in the bond universe is OK though since there's a few of em) - We already have Batwoman but for Bruce Wayne then I can buy if it's an alternate universe (Have it be Thomas & Bruce are shot and Martha survives, but instead of going insane like Flashpoint she becomes Batwoman of that universe) like there are female characters in movies, couldn't they take them and make a movie with the character , for example in a bond movie, introduce a female spy in the Bond movie and maybe spin off into their own movie instead lazily of switching to female
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 20:15:46 GMT -5
Just create new shit. That's all.
People would be amazed at the amount of agenda-based bellyaching and counter bellyaching that would no longer occur.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 28, 2018 20:16:13 GMT -5
- Bond has been talked about, Mainly by the SJWs (A female british spy in the bond universe is OK though since there's a few of em) - We already have Batwoman but for Bruce Wayne then I can buy if it's an alternate universe (Have it be Thomas & Bruce are shot and Martha survives, but instead of going insane like Flashpoint she becomes Batwoman of that universe) like there are female characters in movies, couldn't they take them and make a movie with the character , for example in a bond movie, introduce a female spy in the Bond movie and maybe spin off into their own movie instead lazily of switching to female Don't see why not They wanted to in the past with Jinx but that didn't pan out....because she was a crap character (You could say she was jinxed)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 2:10:37 GMT -5
I have the entire original series on DVD so I'm down for this so long as the theme song remains the same.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 29, 2018 5:45:59 GMT -5
I don't care if the big bad, EVIL "SJWs" are the ones pushing for more inclusion. They're right to do it.
They can change all of the characters to whatever they want. Seeing white, straight male leads as the hyper focus of the entertainment world gets old after a while.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 29, 2018 6:03:41 GMT -5
Just create new shit. That's all. People would be amazed at the amount of agenda-based bellyaching and counter bellyaching that would no longer occur. I can guarantee you that in the next ten years, many people will look back on the people complaining about "political correctness " and alleged forcing of a "diversity agenda"- and they're going to be mocked. Because too much of that rhetoric has been tainted by racists and sexists who don't give a crap about seeing new shit being created. They don't want to see female characters, characters of color, or LGBTQ people on their screens at all. That crowd doesn't want anything to do with newer superheroes like, say, Kamala Kahn/Ms. Marvel. Popular characters should be open to different reinterpretations, anyway. If there's no concrete reason for a character to be a straight white male, unless it's a case like Steve Rogers in the 1940s where it makes logical sense, then producers should be able to cast any type of person they want to for the role. I don't care if Superman is Hispanic , or if the latest GAH is a woman or if they want a Black woman to use Tony Stark's suit. As long as the character is likable and fun, I'll give the newer versions a chance.
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Post by The Barber on Jan 29, 2018 6:54:15 GMT -5
Just create new shit. That's all. Everything has already been done.
If they took the idea and gave the show a new name, the original copyright holders would be all up in their ass with plagiarism lawsuits.
I'm fine with remakes as long as they are good. Just because a movie or TV show was popular or an original idea in the past doesn't mean that people will flock to the original movie/show. If you showed a kid a Shakespeare play, they would be bored. Remake it with young teen stars and you'd have a hit.
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