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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 30, 2018 18:14:19 GMT -5
Better dead than didling kids and acting out fantasy. I was victim of said abuse when I was young. Maybe that dude could have taken Marks way out and saved me the life of aggravation. I saw a comment about being a coward and not doing his prison time. Say he did, and survived the ordeal, got out and molests some kids? Coward not coward who f***ing cares? That's one less person in this world who hurts children. Why debate such a mute point? Only said that because he left his family and friends with the burden
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jan 30, 2018 18:15:20 GMT -5
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jan 30, 2018 19:23:30 GMT -5
I feel for those of y'all that are trying to be compassionate here. I do. Thing is, being into "that" is not something you can recover from. It's not like a pill addiction or something and you can grow stronger and eventually walk away from it. It's just, you're a creep on a fundamental level. It's not acceptable. It never will be. When I made my post, I definitely wasn't trying to act like pedophilia is acceptable. Especially not people who act on it and traumatize another human being for life. But what I wonder is, how do we know those people aren't capable of recovery? There aren't exactly a staggering number of clinical studies that tell us outright that it can't be treated. It would be incredibly helpful to society as a whole if we learned more about it. Is it a result of basic biology, environment, or both? We don't know. And we won't know because it is so strongly stigmatized for people to even have thoughts, that those people won't come forward, not to friends, family, or even a counsellor. They're terrified they'll go to jail, or worse. I understand how difficult a topic it is to even approach or talk about, but it's a dialog we need to open up. Let's get these people in to talk with professionals. Let's study as many of these people as we can, because right now, we don't talk to nearly enough of them to understand what's going on in their heads. Let's break down the stigma to at least a point where people who have only had thoughts, can go to a professional, talk about it, and get help. And if we study it enough, and gain a better understanding, that also means we can develop better, improved treatment programs targeted at people who already have offended that might actually give them a better chance at not re-offending once they're released. Because prison time alone for people who have offended isn't going to do shit. I'll put it to you this way. Think about how all mental illness was treated up until the mid-to-late 20th century. The mentally ill were social pariahs who were just thrown in a psych hospital (which, in those days, might as well have been a prison) to remove them from society so that their families, if they had any, could pretend they just didn't exist. Fast forward to the 21st century and we have people with all kinds of mental illnesses living normal, happy lives. Why? Because we decided to investigate them further and developed proper treatments and programs. We made it okay to come forward and say things like "I'm having weird thoughts" or "I feel sad a lot", whereas 100+ years ago, that would've gotten you locked up. We need to do the same thing for pedophilia, no matter how uncomfortable it makes us. Some people don't want to talk about it because it involves the safety of our children. I say that's an even bigger reason TO talk about it. We can't fix everyone, and invariably some people will be so far gone that life in prison or a psych ward will be the only recourse, but if we can learn to prevent these thoughts some people are having from turning into actions, and actually treat these people, we're going to have a world that's one hell of a lot safer for our kids to live in.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 30, 2018 19:40:49 GMT -5
Better dead than didling kids and acting out fantasy. I was victim of said abuse when I was young. Maybe that dude could have taken Marks way out and saved me the life of aggravation. I saw a comment about being a coward and not doing his prison time. Say he did, and survived the ordeal, got out and molests some kids? Coward not coward who f***ing cares? That's one less person in this world who hurts children. Why debate such a mute point? Only said that because he left his family and friends with the burden I'd say living with the knowledge of him being a pedophile is a bigger burden than his suicide.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jan 30, 2018 19:49:03 GMT -5
A pedophile must be a terrible thing to realise one is. If it's a struggle you can win, then RIP. That being said, any sympathy goes out the window the moment they act on it.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jan 30, 2018 20:45:21 GMT -5
I don't understand pedophilia-is it a kink? Is it a matter of something that some people find attractive and it's a mental disorder? Acting on it certainly isn't right, and it's certainly another level of perversion, but it kinda seems like they are attracted to something that is taboo, instead of being attracted to someone of legal age.
My thing is, if it is a disorder, is it treatable? If they act on it, it is wrong, but do they exactly realize what they're doing is wrong?
I mean, not that it's on the same level, but all of these men that have harassed women for years and are just now realizing they shouldn't have done it-did they know the whole time, but society didn't call them out until now?
Yes, there's a world of difference between what he did and some guy grabbing a girl's ass, but did they both think they weren't doing wrong? Can one be reformed?
In this day and age, we are calling out 50 year old songs for an idea and everything is under a microscope, but is this a disorder? I'm frankly afraid to google it
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 30, 2018 21:21:06 GMT -5
Good riddance.
Sucks that his family have to to live with the fact that he was a pedophile that offed himself but Salling got a really light sentence for possession and there's every chance that he could have moved on with his life after prison.
f*** him
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jan 30, 2018 21:22:00 GMT -5
I don't understand pedophilia-is it a kink? Is it a matter of something that some people find attractive and it's a mental disorder? Acting on it certainly isn't right, and it's certainly another level of perversion, but it kinda seems like they are attracted to something that is taboo, instead of being attracted to someone of legal age. My thing is, if it is a disorder, is it treatable? If they act on it, it is wrong, but do they exactly realize what they're doing is wrong? I mean, not that it's on the same level, but all of these men that have harassed women for years and are just now realizing they shouldn't have done it-did they know the whole time, but society didn't call them out until now? Yes, there's a world of difference between what he did and some guy grabbing a girl's ass, but did they both think they weren't doing wrong? Can one be reformed? In this day and age, we are calling out 50 year old songs for an idea and everything is under a microscope, but is this a disorder? I'm frankly afraid to google it My basic understanding is in addition to the attraction to children, it's followed by a compulsive urge to act on that attraction. Like I mentioned in my post, the hard part is that so many people are afraid to come forward, so we don't know as much about it as we do other mental illnesses. The vast majority of the (limited) current research has come from people who are already imprisoned. We don't have much insight into the minds of people who are experiencing thoughts, but haven't yet acted, because they're too scared to tell anyone. We need to destigmatize talking about it. If someone was having these thoughts or urges and was really distressed by them, wouldn't you want them to come forward and get help, instead of leaving them to eventually snap and do something horrible?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 30, 2018 22:12:39 GMT -5
Given what he was arrested for, I'll say I feel sympathy for his family. That seems to split the difference between sympathy and disdain.
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Post by Toxik916 on Jan 30, 2018 22:15:43 GMT -5
f*** that guy and all others that prey on children. I'm all for helping out the mentally ill, but the difference between let's say your anxiety disorder, bi-polar disorder and someone that f***s kids is such a wide margin you shouldn't even try and equate them.
These people whether they do the act or not regarding the abuse(just looking at pics and vids) victimize anyone they pleasure themselves to. These people are sick and don't deserve time or resources in trying to cure them.
Pedophilia isn't the hill to die on, except for any and all actual pedos. They can take this asshole's lead and follow suit.
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Post by edgestar on Jan 30, 2018 22:16:01 GMT -5
I'd never heard of him until today. I feel sympathy for the families affected by his choices. I will leave it at that, since I have no idea what else to say.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jan 30, 2018 22:35:21 GMT -5
f*** that guy and all others that prey on children. I'm all for helping out the mentally ill, but the difference between let's say your anxiety disorder, bi-polar disorder and someone that f***s kids is such a wide margin you shouldn't even try and equate them. These people whether they do the act or not regarding the abuse(just looking at pics and vids) victimize anyone they pleasure themselves to. These people are sick and don't deserve time or resources in trying to cure them. Pedophilia isn't the hill to die except for any and all actual pedos. They can take this asshole's lead and follow suit. I'm not even trying to start an argument here, but pedophilia is classified as a mental illness under the DSM-5. And I wasn't comparing it to other mental illnesses per se, I was saying that how we used to address those other mental illnesses is not unlike how we perceive pedophilia now - they're dangerous, they're crazy, they're sick, lock them up and throw away the key. But if modern medicine and therapy has allowed people to live comfortably with other mental illnesses, I see no reason why, with the right research (brought about by destigmatizing its discussion), we can't make life easier for the people who have these urges and don't want them. Yes, there are people who are so far gone by this point that they either can't or don't want to be treated, and for those people, no, there's really nothing you can do other than having them in lifelong psychiatric care. But I firmly believe that like any other mental illness, we can treat these people. We just need to make it easier to discuss.
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Post by Toxik916 on Jan 31, 2018 0:01:35 GMT -5
I see your point, however I would like to ask why would you even try and help these people to begin with?
Anxiety isn't a choice, being bi-polar isn't a choice, depression isn't a choice. Getting your rocks off to children certainly is.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jan 31, 2018 0:57:55 GMT -5
I see your point, however I would like to ask why would you even try and help these people to begin with? Anxiety isn't a choice, being bi-polar isn't a choice, depression isn't a choice. Getting your rocks off to children certainly is. Believe it or not, it's been clinically proven that the attraction to children in and of itself isn't a choice. What the person does from there, obviously, is, most definitely, their choice, but the attraction in and of itself is a misfiring in the brain that is not unlike other mental illnesses. We have natural responses to different types of people. For example, you might look at the gender to which you're attracted and find yourself aroused. Look at a child and you feel a sense of nurturing and protection. As best as we can figure (again, because not enough people are coming forward to be studied), these signals in the brain get crossed where suddenly one of these people will look at a child and feel aroused. We have leaps and bounds to go in figuring out why this happens, or where the compulsive urges come from, but that is the prevailing theory at the moment. And I mean, even if you hate these people, and don't care if they live or die, you still have to admit that fewer child predators and more safe children in the world can only be a good thing.
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Post by Toxik916 on Jan 31, 2018 1:51:49 GMT -5
I see your point, however I would like to ask why would you even try and help these people to begin with? Anxiety isn't a choice, being bi-polar isn't a choice, depression isn't a choice. Getting your rocks off to children certainly is. Believe it or not, it's been clinically proven that the attraction to children in and of itself isn't a choice. What the person does from there, obviously, is, most definitely, their choice, but the attraction in and of itself is a misfiring in the brain that is not unlike other mental illnesses. We have natural responses to different types of people. For example, you might look at the gender to which you're attracted and find yourself aroused. Look at a child and you feel a sense of nurturing and protection. As best as we can figure (again, because not enough people are coming forward to be studied), these signals in the brain get crossed where suddenly one of these people will look at a child and feel aroused. We have leaps and bounds to go in figuring out why this happens, or where the compulsive urges come from, but that is the prevailing theory at the moment. And I mean, even if you hate these people, and don't care if they live or die, you still have to admit that fewer child predators and more safe children in the world can only be a good thing. I think you and I both want the same thing here, and that is to keep kids safe, but I fear that researching and "treating" pedophilia might normalize it. Saying pedophiles can't choose who they are sexually attracted to normalizes and humanizes these monsters.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 31, 2018 2:33:02 GMT -5
I was listening to a psychologist talk about pedophilia and while, yes, it is considered a mental disorder because they don't choose to be attracted to children, acting on those urges either by obtaining child pornography or sexually abusing minors, is still fully within the realm of being responsible for one's own actions.
When a pedophile acts on those urges, psychologically speaking, they're making a conscious decision to be a predator.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jan 31, 2018 3:57:21 GMT -5
I was listening to a psychologist talk about pedophilia and while, yes, it is considered a mental disorder because they don't choose to be attracted to children, acting on those urges either by obtaining child pornography or sexually abusing minors, is still fully within the realm of being responsible for one's own actions. When a pedophile acts on those urges, psychologically speaking, they're making a conscious decision to be a predator. Oh definitely, that's why I said, those types of people who are making that active choice, we really have no other alternative than to have them on a psych ward for the rest of their lives. But the people who are having the thoughts, but not acting on them, and who genuinely want the help, should feel safe seeking out that help without the stigma brought on by the former group of people. I think part of the problem is that we use pedophile as an all-encompassing term. In reality, pedophile only means to have a sexual attraction to children. It doesn't actually mean child predator or child molester, and that's a small but incredibly important distinction to make. If we actually learned to use the two terms distinctly, that's half the stigma gone right there, and it opens doors to get people help and to stop them from potentially turning into a child predator down the line.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 31, 2018 6:13:00 GMT -5
Better dead than didling kids and acting out fantasy. I was victim of said abuse when I was young. Maybe that dude could have taken Marks way out and saved me the life of aggravation. I saw a comment about being a coward and not doing his prison time. Say he did, and survived the ordeal, got out and molests some kids? Coward not coward who f***ing cares? That's one less person in this world who hurts children. Why debate such a mute point? Only said that because he left his family and friends with the burden I'm just profoundly confused as to your wording. how does he leave his family with the burden? "Being a diddler" isn't something you inherit.
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Post by y4j1981 on Jan 31, 2018 7:25:56 GMT -5
Only said that because he left his family and friends with the burden I'm just profoundly confused as to your wording. how does he leave his family with the burden? "Being a diddler" isn't something you inherit. By "burden" they mean sudden loss, cost, etc
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 31, 2018 8:28:09 GMT -5
I'm just profoundly confused as to your wording. how does he leave his family with the burden? "Being a diddler" isn't something you inherit. By "burden" they mean sudden loss, cost, etc Thank you. Burials and funerals are very expensive. Those life insurance commercials showed me how bad that can be.
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