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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jan 31, 2018 8:44:33 GMT -5
As someone who's struggled on and off with the thoughts of suicide for several years, to the point of the police being at my house as recently as last month, can the "cowards way out" way of thinking just f***ing die please?
I don't know who this guy is, and what he did was abhorrent, but I'm not gonna celebrate or minimise someone feeling like suicide is the only option is in any way, easy, regardless as to whether he put himself in that situation or not.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 31, 2018 9:13:18 GMT -5
Jesus Christ...
The level of smite thrown at this guy as well as practically celebrating his death.
Gee, I f***ing wonder why people who are mentally ill with pedophilia thoughts don't seek out help? Maybe it's because of this kind of mob mentality that treats the person as if they're subhuman.
You want to help stop pedophilia? Stop f***ing forcing these people to hide their own evil because they fear the reprocussions of condemnation. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't such a backlash to opening up about something they want to stop, then you could potentially prevent many crimes.
I'm not even trying to condone this guy because what he did was awful and he deserved the fullest conviction that the law could enforce.
But us saying "good riddance" isn't going to curve sexual assault on children at all.
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Post by Shy Guy on Jan 31, 2018 9:32:45 GMT -5
So it turns out he was supposed to pay each of his victims $50,000 each, as part of his plea deal.
Of course, now that he has died, they won't see the money.
I feel bad for his family for having to go through what he put them through, and I feel awful for his victims.
I don't like saying suicide is the cowards way out, but in this case, I believe it is.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 31, 2018 9:36:48 GMT -5
So it turns out he was supposed to pay each of his victims $50,000 each, as part of his plea deal. Of course, now that he has died, they won't see the money. Won't they get it from Salling's estate? |
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Post by Shy Guy on Jan 31, 2018 9:39:31 GMT -5
So it turns out he was supposed to pay each of his victims $50,000 each, as part of his plea deal. Of course, now that he has died, they won't see the money. Won't they get it from Salling's estate? They can sue his estate, but since he wasn't technically sentenced, he doesn't owe it to them. Edit: source m.tmz.com/#!article/2018/01/31/mark-salling-suicide-death-no-restitution-victims-sentencing/ |
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jan 31, 2018 9:44:28 GMT -5
By "burden" they mean sudden loss, cost, etc Thank you. Burials and funerals are very expensive. Those life insurance commercials showed me how bad that can be. Speaking of which, because it was death by suicide, life insurance is not going to pay for anything. So the family will be paying for everything out of pocket. So, yeah, looks like he f***ed his family and his victims one more time. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 31, 2018 9:52:46 GMT -5
Thank you. Burials and funerals are very expensive. Those life insurance commercials showed me how bad that can be. Speaking of which, because it was death by suicide, life insurance is not going to pay for anything. So the family will be paying for everything out of pocket. So, yeah, looks like he f***ed his family and his victims one more time. Not necessarily true. I think most life insurance policies have a timing limit on it, like two to five years, to prevent someone from buying an insurance policy solely to commit suicide and gain the payout for their family. After the time expires though it isn't an issue. Assuming he had insurance anyway. |
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jan 31, 2018 13:41:13 GMT -5
Jesus Christ... The level of smite thrown at this guy as well as practically celebrating his death. Gee, I f***ing wonder why people who are mentally ill with pedophilia thoughts don't seek out help? Maybe it's because of this kind of mob mentality that treats the person as if they're subhuman. You want to help stop pedophilia? Stop f***ing forcing these people to hide their own evil because they fear the reprocussions of condemnation. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't such a backlash to opening up about something they want to stop, then you could potentially prevent many crimes. I'm not even trying to condone this guy because what he did was awful and he deserved the fullest conviction that the law could enforce. But us saying "good riddance" isn't going to curve sexual assault on children at all. Bingo, and that's the exact point I was trying to get across. There are people out there who we could help and even learn from for our clinical studies, but those people are in hiding because they're legitimately scared of what will happen to them if they come forward. If we want our children to be safer, it starts with giving help to the people who want it, no matter how uncomfortable it is to talk about. They do NOT fall into the same group of people who willingly act on their urges. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 31, 2018 18:25:42 GMT -5
Yeah I gotta say I'm kinda sickened by the tone this thread has taken. Dude was a paedo but he was still a human being.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 1, 2018 10:10:20 GMT -5
As someone who's struggled on and off with the thoughts of suicide for several years, to the point of the police being at my house as recently as last month, can the "cowards way out" way of thinking just f***ing die please? I don't know who this guy is, and what he did was abhorrent, but I'm not gonna celebrate or minimise someone feeling like suicide is the only option is in any way, easy, regardless as to whether he put himself in that situation or not. Let me clarify a bit. Sucidie is never the answer but isn’t cowardly when struggling with mental illness and depression. However, killing yourself to evade punishment for crime? Also looking at the debate of pedophillia. Could it be classified as a sexual orientation? Thus it’s bilogical and you can’t really “recover” from that. Like can you recover from being gay or straight? However, you have to have the conscious mind to not act on it and seem help to refrain from doing so. If you act on it, you deserve everything that comes your way. |
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Post by MC Blowfish on Feb 1, 2018 11:52:04 GMT -5
I'd like to remind people that this man had the funds to get therapy. He was also in possession of up to 50,000 files of CP. Those are innocent children that were exploited. Those children will forever be damaged due to his and others actions. Now that he killed himself, he no longer has to pay for his crimes. He'll never see a day in prison. He'll never face consequences for his actions. He killed himself and now he's done with it. While his victims are still in the world. I have a lot empathy for people, but not for child predators. He made his choice, he knew it was wrong, and deserves everything that he gets.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 1, 2018 16:16:36 GMT -5
I'd like to remind people that this man had the funds to get therapy. He was also in possession of up to 50,000 files of CP. Those are innocent children that were exploited. Those children will forever be damaged due to his and others actions. Now that he killed himself, he no longer has to pay for his crimes. He'll never see a day in prison. He'll never face consequences for his actions. He killed himself and now he's done with it. While his victims are still in the world. I have a lot empathy for people, but not for child predators. He made his choice, he knew it was wrong, and deserves everything that he gets. Yeah, I do believe that there probably are pedophiles that want to get help. But this guy embraced it by the sounds of things. |
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Post by Cyno on Feb 1, 2018 18:44:14 GMT -5
Look, I'm sympathetic and understanding towards just about anyone who considers or commits suicide. I can empathize as someone with his own mental health issues who has had dark thoughts in the past, even though I never came close to trying to act on them. I usually hate the term "coward's way out" because I know that suicide, in the overwhelming majority of cases, is not an act of cowardice, but an act of desperation and feeling like there really is no other way.
But this guy? f*** this guy. He is a coward. He does not only his victims, but the people who have committed or contemplated suicide, a huge disservice.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 1, 2018 21:06:22 GMT -5
To be honest, you'd have to get help REALLY early before you're not causing harm. In theory, if someone recognized those urges and could get therapy etc, that would be a very good thing.
But here's the thing, once you're consuming media where kids are actually being abused, you ARE acting on those urges to some degree. You're not physically abusing the kids yourself yet, but you are participating in a culture/market/whatever you want to call it where people are physically harming those kids. It's not as vile of course, but at that point you are taking part cuz those kids on those videos or pictures were abused at one point and you're an audience to that. That's not trying to get help.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 2, 2018 6:16:46 GMT -5
To be honest, you'd have to get help REALLY early before you're not causing harm. In theory, if someone recognized those urges and could get therapy etc, that would be a very good thing. But here's the thing, once you're consuming media where kids are actually being abused, you ARE acting on those urges to some degree. You're not physically abusing the kids yourself yet, but you are participating in a culture/market/whatever you want to call it where people are physically harming those kids. It's not as vile of course, but at that point you are taking part cuz those kids on those videos or pictures were abused at one point and you're an audience to that. That's not trying to get help. seconded. the minute you start partaking in child pornography, you're a child molester. though IMO it is just as vile as physically being in the film because they wouldn't have even made it if you weren't going to watch it and you're still directly taking part in abusing children. to clarify, I'm not shedding any tears for this piece of human garbage but I do still think it's f***ed up to celebrate suicide in any capacity. |
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Feb 2, 2018 8:39:21 GMT -5
Yes he was a paedophile and that is something that he didn't choose. He was also a piece of shit, downloading child pornography is a choice. Proactively seeking treatment is also a choice, especially when you have a net worth of 1.9 million dollars. We know what choice Mark Salling made, we know that he made that choice 50,000 times. I feel for his family because they never asked for this, and I feel for the victims because they deserve better, but f*** him, he was an asshole.
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