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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 5, 2018 17:16:24 GMT -5
In 2009, right before Hogan came in, I was able to attend the No Surrender ppv (second to last ppv before Hogan was signed). After the show, I remember thinking that TNA was slowly gaining momentum and turning the corner. Over a month later it was the Hogan and Bischoff show. They have never recovered. They turned the corner at full speed into a red and yellow brick wall. |
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Post by JTG Fan on Feb 5, 2018 17:59:53 GMT -5
Remember just before he debuted. They had a promotional image of him on their site, but they botched it and it only showed his arm. And the big Monday night show ended with a closeup of his mustache.  |
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 5, 2018 18:09:04 GMT -5
Remember just before he debuted. They had a promotional image of him on their site, but they botched it and it only showed his arm. Gotta show the BIG 84 INCH PYTHONS, BROTHER JACK BROTHER DUDE BROTHER!!! It's funny, it's one of the few times where I was absolutely right about what was about to happen. I was expecting it to be nothing but Hogan bringing in his buddies to steal the spotlight from talented people, and that's exactly what happened. It didn't even take an hour to be clear that it was all it was going to be. And it's the one time where I was right wishing I wasn't. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 5, 2018 19:37:19 GMT -5
... I'm still halfway convinced the WWE paid Hogan/Eric under the table to blow up TNA. I mean, that was "purposefully terrible" wasn't it? I can't imagine anybody not on drugs that could sit back and think "This is a great idea! I'm all for it!" The big thing is that Hogan is legitimately a terrible businessman whose every single endeavor has been a failure, whose personal finances are in the shitter, and who is too obsessed with wringing out everything he can get for himself to give a shit about actually giving good business advice. Hogan didn't come in wanting to grow TNA he wanted to grow his bank account even if it was 100% at the expense and greater detriment of the company. Bischoff's got his own flurry of missteps and the best he ever pulled off was when he had an infinite checkbook to play around with and pre-existing momentum to make something out of. They were parts of WCW's downfall for a reason. Dixie was such a money mark that she was willing to say yes to anything they wanted because it meant she had Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff run her wrestling show, compounded by her own utter lack of business smarts to ensure nobody steering the ship was any f***ing good at what they did. |
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Post by finallydeleted on Feb 5, 2018 20:34:01 GMT -5
One of the few things I remember from this period was people insisting that Hogan was gonna be TNA champion despite having his back vertebra held together by balsa wood at this point. The TNArds wouldn't shut up about it despite it being about as likely as a giant space chinchilla becoming TNA champion.
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Post by Shark on Feb 6, 2018 12:42:55 GMT -5
I've actually heard that the reaction within WWE to Impact moving to Monday was laughter. WWE never took Impact as a threat. The booking of Raw proved it. I remember arguing with fans that Impact would force WWE to up their game and counter book Raw. That never happened. The first shows that went head to head, not Jan. 4, Raw had 3 lame segments with Cris Angel doing magic. Raw's main event was John Cena vs. Vince and a bunch of jobbers. Impacts main event was Hogan and Abyss vs. Flair and AJ. Fans actually tuned away from Impact to watch Raw. That is how little a threat Impact was and this was week 1 of the "war"
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 6, 2018 12:59:00 GMT -5
I think what pissed me off most was that those few months before Hogan entered, the show was good. Not laughably good, legitimately good. You could tell that would change fast when Val Venis beat Daniels clean. They were using a formula similar to WCW in hits heyday; they had some of the biggest names of the 90’s in the likes of Nash, Steiner, Booker T, Sting, and others-along with hot new stars who had not been *officially* seen in WCW or the WWE like AJ, Joe, and Daniels. Where WCW offered something unique in the cruiserweights, TNA had the KO division. They also had a unique look with their six sided ring, double entrance set, and the camera work those things enabled them to do. They were drawing decent ratings-not blockbuster, but easily acceptable by any cable network’s standards. They had a pretty good gig with the studio in Orlando-sure it meant they couldn’t charge for tickets, but it was good for building their audience and meanwhile they could do house shows and their PPV’s outside the studio. They were even just starting to begin trying some tapings outside that studio when Hogan decided to blow it all up. |
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Feb 6, 2018 13:41:03 GMT -5
I've actually heard that the reaction within WWE to Impact moving to Monday was laughter. WWE never took Impact as a threat. The booking of Raw proved it. I remember arguing with fans that Impact would force WWE to up their game and counter book Raw. That never happened. The first shows that went head to head, not Jan. 4, Raw had 3 lame segments with Cris Angel doing magic. Raw's main event was John Cena vs. Vince and a bunch of jobbers. Impacts main event was Hogan and Abyss vs. Flair and AJ. Fans actually tuned away from Impact to watch Raw. That is how little a threat Impact was and this was week 1 of the "war" I read a rumour (not sure if it's true or not) that Vince was told that TNA might be getting Sid Vicious for an appearance and he burst into laughter. |
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Post by angelofapocalypse on Feb 6, 2018 15:53:05 GMT -5
I got nothing against the guy as Hulk Hogan put wrestling on the map. As for TNA, I couldn't care less about the company. Now imagine this, if Hulk Hogan and Co. arrived to the WWE that night instead. For sure, Vince McMahon wouldn't approve Hulk Hogan's bullshit.
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Post by Shark on Feb 6, 2018 16:28:54 GMT -5
I got nothing against the guy as Hulk Hogan put wrestling on the map. As for TNA, I couldn't care less about the company. Now imagine this, if Hulk Hogan and Co. arrived to the WWE that night instead. For sure, Vince McMahon wouldn't approve Hulk Hogan's bullshit. Hogan knows he can't pull that kind of stuff with Vince. Vince achieved bigger heights without Hogan. Hogan knows Vince doesn't really need him anymore. Vince knows it too, who do you think it's been so long since Hogan has shown up in WWE? Hogan saw Dixie willing to bend over backward for him and he knew he could milk it for all she was worth. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 6, 2018 21:01:34 GMT -5
I've actually heard that the reaction within WWE to Impact moving to Monday was laughter. WWE never took Impact as a threat. The booking of Raw proved it. I remember arguing with fans that Impact would force WWE to up their game and counter book Raw. That never happened. The first shows that went head to head, not Jan. 4, Raw had 3 lame segments with Cris Angel doing magic. Raw's main event was John Cena vs. Vince and a bunch of jobbers. Impacts main event was Hogan and Abyss vs. Flair and AJ. Fans actually tuned away from Impact to watch Raw. That is how little a threat Impact was and this was week 1 of the "war" Most people called that Impact moving to Monday was a terrible idea. very few people thought it was good idea. The main people were Hogan, Bischoff, Dixie and I think Russo said he was all for the idea too. |
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Post by angelofapocalypse on Feb 6, 2018 21:41:19 GMT -5
I got nothing against the guy as Hulk Hogan put wrestling on the map. As for TNA, I couldn't care less about the company. Now imagine this, if Hulk Hogan and Co. arrived to the WWE that night instead. For sure, Vince McMahon wouldn't approve Hulk Hogan's bullshit. Hogan knows he can't pull that kind of stuff with Vince. Vince achieved bigger heights without Hogan. Hogan knows Vince doesn't really need him anymore. Vince knows it too, who do you think it's been so long since Hogan has shown up in WWE? Hogan saw Dixie willing to bend over backward for him and he knew he could milk it for all she was worth. I feel it's why Hogan went to TNA since their(Dixie's) will is weaker. On the other hand, Vince is a powerful promoter which Hogan had no power over. |
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Post by finallydeleted on Feb 6, 2018 21:43:42 GMT -5
I've actually heard that the reaction within WWE to Impact moving to Monday was laughter. WWE never took Impact as a threat. The booking of Raw proved it. I remember arguing with fans that Impact would force WWE to up their game and counter book Raw. That never happened. The first shows that went head to head, not Jan. 4, Raw had 3 lame segments with Cris Angel doing magic. Raw's main event was John Cena vs. Vince and a bunch of jobbers. Impacts main event was Hogan and Abyss vs. Flair and AJ. Fans actually tuned away from Impact to watch Raw. That is how little a threat Impact was and this was week 1 of the "war" Most people called that Impact moving to Monday was a terrible idea. very few people thought it was good idea. The main people were Hogan, Bischoff, Dixie and I think Russo said he was all for the idea too. At the time it actually happened, TNA still had an "internet fanbase" that claimed it was a brilliant move and would troll the hell out of anyone who disagreed with them as "WWE Marks". Mind you, said people were always a minority of even TNA's fanbase, they just magnified their power by yelling really loud. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 7, 2018 1:40:42 GMT -5
Hogan's legacy in tna.
Monday Night Massacre. In a head to head, KIT from Night Rider appearing on raw actually got better ratings than Impact.
Failed Touring. They went into arenas and they looked empty. There was also a great thread in FAN about tna booking itself into a corner, because the attendance could only fill a corner.
Never advertising the company. Hogan admitted during a deposition that he was embarrassed about working in tna.
Burial of the tna originals. AJ and Joe got phased out for Abyss and Garrett Bischoff.
Killing their ppv business. Why order bound for glory when there's a title change in Impact?
Gigantic waste of money. Hogan allegedly made twenty five grand each taping. Money they never got back.
And despite all of this, Dixie still defends Hogan.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 7, 2018 11:02:49 GMT -5
Killing their ppv business. Why order bound for glory when there's a title change in Impact? not entirely on Hogan that was something TNA had a history of doing beforehand. |
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Post by finallydeleted on Feb 7, 2018 19:48:39 GMT -5
Killing their ppv business. Why order bound for glory when there's a title change in Impact? not entirely on Hogan that was something TNA had a history of doing beforehand. Realistically, most TNA PPVs other than the Joe/Angle series were poor sellers. |
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Post by MC Blowfish on Feb 8, 2018 13:59:36 GMT -5
Most people called that Impact moving to Monday was a terrible idea. very few people thought it was good idea. The main people were Hogan, Bischoff, Dixie and I think Russo said he was all for the idea too. At the time it actually happened, TNA still had an "internet fanbase" that claimed it was a brilliant move and would troll the hell out of anyone who disagreed with them as "WWE Marks". Mind you, said people were always a minority of even TNA's fanbase, they just magnified their power by yelling really loud. I remember that happening. I don't remember if it was here or on another forum I saw that on. I used to be a member of a TNA forum and I think they were very excited about TNA going to Monday night. They actually thought TNA was going to kick off another war. |
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 8, 2018 15:08:30 GMT -5
not entirely on Hogan that was something TNA had a history of doing beforehand. Realistically, most TNA PPVs other than the Joe/Angle series were poor sellers. Yeah, that one's hard to pin on Hogan. Don't get me wrong, he didn't help, but TNA was death on PPV pretty much off the jump. |
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Feb 16, 2018 6:42:15 GMT -5
Looking back its downright laughable that anyone thought that TNA's pathetic attempt at trying to recreate the monday night wars was going to work.
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Post by Aya Reiko on Feb 19, 2018 6:55:59 GMT -5
Hoganized TNA is what I point to when anyone whines on how WWE destroyed the WCW brand and how it would have been better if Bischoff actually did buy it instead.
If Eric were to have been the one who bought WCW, what it would have been was the same, failing crap WCW was as it was imploding and what TNA became when he and Hogan showed up. Eric Bischoff doesn't know s***. His only claim to fame was someone else's idea (the nWo was a NJPW creation), using someone else's money (Turner's), and with someone else's talent (wrestlers made by Vince McMahon).
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