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Post by Juice on Feb 26, 2018 0:14:09 GMT -5
You've made several threads since the gauntlet about the outcome and what ifs. Got you guessing to some degree. I was more hoping than anything, I didn't doubt Roman inevitable victory because it's been predicted since last year, but I was thinking about Seth possibly being inserted in the match as a Triple Threat scenario but I guess that isn't happening. I just thought like many others he earned a spot after a showing like that. That's all it was supposed to do. Keep us guessing. Try to make mania suspenseful. Everyone falls for,this wrestlemania thing. They work every other week of,the year to. Seth will be taken care of after. Mania is propagandist to a point. It has not been a special culmination of feuds,and hard work for years. Its wwes club music event. It's just matches for mania. Nothing special or noteworthy. Thats why Braun makes sense as challenger because he had the babyfiace rise. The guy finally beating Brock to conclude that chapter and move on to other,things is a no brainer. But its not the attraction. Mania itself is. So the narratives no longer matter. Also though Brock v Roman is years in the making, and to some extent is the same conclusion that hasn't existed in a mania for some time. In the grand scheme of,things regardless of whether we like it. It makes sense for a mania feud in a way most others haven't. Seth will do whatever he does. He will be glad to be there, maybe wanting more. But he spend,the rest of,the year enjoying top of the card success. And carry people like Roman.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Feb 26, 2018 0:23:29 GMT -5
ngl, I don't really understand why people actually expected this to lead to him doing something big tonight. K Like, it's RAW. This show could have Jesus rise from the ring and hit a Rock Bottom on Gran Metallik's family and chances are that it'd lead to nothing. It would be a boom period if He came out and did that Kalisto though...
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Post by 4real on Feb 26, 2018 0:28:43 GMT -5
The guy has had a great week. Great performance on Raw and last night which has put him back in the main event conversation. He was never winning tonight but going forward he's still got a lot going for him.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 26, 2018 0:31:50 GMT -5
I was more hoping than anything, I didn't doubt Roman inevitable victory because it's been predicted since last year, but I was thinking about Seth possibly being inserted in the match as a Triple Threat scenario but I guess that isn't happening. I just thought like many others he earned a spot after a showing like that. That's all it was supposed to do. Keep us guessing. Try to make mania suspenseful. Everyone falls for,this wrestlemania thing. They work every other week of,the year to. Seth will be taken care of after. Mania is propagandist to a point. It has not been a special culmination of feuds,and hard work for years. Its wwes club music event. It's just matches for mania. Nothing special or noteworthy. Thats why Braun makes sense as challenger because he had the babyfiace rise. The guy finally beating Brock to conclude that chapter and move on to other,things is a no brainer. But its not the attraction. Mania itself is. So the narratives no longer matter. Also though Brock v Roman is years in the making, and to some extent is the same conclusion that hasn't existed in a mania for some time. In the grand scheme of,things regardless of whether we like it. It makes sense for a mania feud in a way most others haven't. Seth will do whatever he does. He will be glad to be there, maybe wanting more. But he spend,the rest of,the year enjoying top of the card success. And carry people like Roman. Braun and Brock being not an attraction is ridiculous to me and Roman vs Brock being a "Year in the Making" return match after how Brock and Roman have both only regressed in those years, is just sad if that's what they truly believe. This isn't an attractant to me, it's a "detractant" from the entire product to do this AGAIN...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 26, 2018 0:32:25 GMT -5
The guy has had a great week. Great performance on Raw and last night which has put him back in the main event conversation. He was never winning tonight but going forward he's still got a lot going for him. Until he goes heel again after finding his groove as a face... and then it's like we're back where we started... I really hope they DONT do that
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Post by Juice on Feb 26, 2018 0:38:43 GMT -5
That's all it was supposed to do. Keep us guessing. Try to make mania suspenseful. Everyone falls for,this wrestlemania thing. They work every other week of,the year to. Seth will be taken care of after. Mania is propagandist to a point. It has not been a special culmination of feuds,and hard work for years. Its wwes club music event. It's just matches for mania. Nothing special or noteworthy. Thats why Braun makes sense as challenger because he had the babyfiace rise. The guy finally beating Brock to conclude that chapter and move on to other,things is a no brainer. But its not the attraction. Mania itself is. So the narratives no longer matter. Also though Brock v Roman is years in the making, and to some extent is the same conclusion that hasn't existed in a mania for some time. In the grand scheme of,things regardless of whether we like it. It makes sense for a mania feud in a way most others haven't. Seth will do whatever he does. He will be glad to be there, maybe wanting more. But he spend,the rest of,the year enjoying top of the card success. And carry people like Roman. Braun and Brock being not an attraction is ridiculous to me and Roman vs Brock being a "Year in the Making" return match after how Brock and Roman have both only regressed in those years, is just sad if that's what they truly believe. This isn't an attractant to me, it's a "detractant" from the entire product to do this AGAIN... You misinterpreted what I was saying. The mania show is the event, everyone else just fits in now. Years past Braun v Brock would have been logical conclusion. But they don't care. They can play those cards 11 other months a year. And they are choosing to go with Roman, which to an extent falls into long form story because it started 3 years ago. Commentary already ran with the narrative. Mania isn't what it used to be, its just another really long wwe show. And everyone keeps going Monday after.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 26, 2018 0:47:05 GMT -5
Braun and Brock being not an attraction is ridiculous to me and Roman vs Brock being a "Year in the Making" return match after how Brock and Roman have both only regressed in those years, is just sad if that's what they truly believe. This isn't an attractant to me, it's a "detractant" from the entire product to do this AGAIN... You misinterpreted what I was saying. The mania show is the event, everyone else just fits in now. Years past Braun v Brock would have been logical conclusion. But they don't care. They can play those cards 11 other months a year. And they are choosing to go with Roman, which to an extent falls into long form story because it started 3 years ago. Commentary already ran with the narrative. Mania isn't what it used to be, its just another really long wwe show. And everyone keeps going Monday after. And for the prices people spend and what the show SHOULD be, it SHOULDN'T be that way, but with Vince the way he is anymore the product just seems to be on sharp decline.
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Post by Juice on Feb 26, 2018 0:48:38 GMT -5
You misinterpreted what I was saying. The mania show is the event, everyone else just fits in now. Years past Braun v Brock would have been logical conclusion. But they don't care. They can play those cards 11 other months a year. And they are choosing to go with Roman, which to an extent falls into long form story because it started 3 years ago. Commentary already ran with the narrative. Mania isn't what it used to be, its just another really long wwe show. And everyone keeps going Monday after. And for the prices people spend and what the show SHOULD be, it SHOULDN'T be that way, but with Vince the way he is anymore the product just seems to be on sharp decline. People pay that a year in advance before any card is close to announced. That's on them. They are going for the spectacle. Not the card.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 26, 2018 0:58:38 GMT -5
And for the prices people spend and what the show SHOULD be, it SHOULDN'T be that way, but with Vince the way he is anymore the product just seems to be on sharp decline. People pay that a year in advance before any card is close to announced. That's on them. They are going for the spectacle. Not the card. While I can say Mania is a spectacle, like the Superbowl and such, it is a shame that WWE seems to half ass it anymore and not give people the best show possible with some of these decisions.
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Post by Sparkybob on Feb 26, 2018 1:02:12 GMT -5
He got a moment he and the fans will remember for a long time. Eddie Guerrero only won 1 world title in his WWE career but that title win is still looked back at as amazing. I don't think Seth regrets that performance on Monday. From is standpoint I don't think he should regret it, I'm just saying kayfabe and booking wise what does this lead to? Because if it's to a "heel" turn against Reigns where no one is gonna boo Seth then... just yeesh. Idk, HBK used to do a lot of cool stuff in the mid 2000's with no title wins. Sometimes in kayfabe people just like doing incredible things. Plus losing in a chamber does not really hurt momentum.
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Post by Juice on Feb 26, 2018 1:04:09 GMT -5
People pay that a year in advance before any card is close to announced. That's on them. They are going for the spectacle. Not the card. While I can say Mania is a spectacle, like the Superbowl and such, it is a shame that WWE seems to half ass it anymore and not give people the best show possible with some of these decisions. Agreed. That's why I don't spend money, even on the network. If I watch I borrow it. I don't watch weekly cable shows. The only shirt ive bought in years was Brauns in July. The spectacle is the event and the event is the spectacle. They won't care about the main event cause they have Rousey, Asuka winning the belt, Aj and Nak to put on the work rate match, seth will be somewhere important, celebrities doing dumb stuff. The variety show format vince loves will keep on trucking no matter how bad it is. Cause people still order tickets in advance completely blind.
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Post by Malibu Albino on Feb 26, 2018 1:35:57 GMT -5
I know this gets tossed around a lot but like, if WWE frustrates you this much on a regular basis why do you keep giving them money? I stopped paying for the Network after Summerslam because I knew they weren't even going to try and cater to me, I wasn't even trying to make a statement it just wasn't healthy to keep getting worked up because something I want to enjoy sucks. Wrestling is amazing but wrestling is also more than WWE, if they aren't giving you what you want don't support them and if you still want to support wrestling find companies that cater to what you like. It's more work than watching, and getting angry at, the same booking decisions but it's ultimately been more rewarding for me.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 26, 2018 3:03:22 GMT -5
I know this gets tossed around a lot but like, if WWE frustrates you this much on a regular basis why do you keep giving them money? I stopped paying for the Network after Summerslam because I knew they weren't even going to try and cater to me, I wasn't even trying to make a statement it just wasn't healthy to keep getting worked up because something I want to enjoy sucks. Wrestling is amazing but wrestling is also more than WWE, if they aren't giving you what you want don't support them and if you still want to support wrestling find companies that cater to what you like. It's more work than watching, and getting angry at, the same booking decisions but it's ultimately been more rewarding for me. Also have to keep in mind some people dont support the WWE money wise, a lot of people have tuned out weekly or stopped entirely, the people who stick around still like aspects of the company and want them to improve and get better as a whole, people wouldn't hate the product or want to see improvement if they didn't care at this point.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 26, 2018 6:28:13 GMT -5
If they booked Rollins to go for over 90 minutes and pin a couple top names this week, that's not too bad for him. However, I will say that if they had Rollins go over 90 minutes, pin a couple of top names, but didn't integrate "he's exhausted" into his Chamber match story, or don't use his accomplishment to set up a new angle for him, then that's pretty dumb. I know this gets tossed around a lot but like, if WWE frustrates you this much on a regular basis why do you keep giving them money? I stopped paying for the Network after Summerslam because I knew they weren't even going to try and cater to me, I wasn't even trying to make a statement it just wasn't healthy to keep getting worked up because something I want to enjoy sucks. Wrestling is amazing but wrestling is also more than WWE, if they aren't giving you what you want don't support them and if you still want to support wrestling find companies that cater to what you like. It's more work than watching, and getting angry at, the same booking decisions but it's ultimately been more rewarding for me. You beat me to it. I made that choice back in 2005 concerning WWE, and have had no shortage of wrestling options available to me since. I can keep tabs on WWE because I like posting here, but I'm not going to invest time, money, and energy into a product that typically either bores me or leaves me feeling disappointed.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Feb 26, 2018 6:37:51 GMT -5
Nothing, except being one of the more popular and successful wrestlers in the world right now? Oh, the poor baby lost a scripted fictional match! Which amounts to diddly squat when you and everyone else has to play second fiddle to Vince' endless Samoan boner.
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Post by Juice on Feb 26, 2018 6:46:58 GMT -5
Nothing, except being one of the more popular and successful wrestlers in the world right now? Oh, the poor baby lost a scripted fictional match! Which amounts to diddly squat when you and everyone else has to play second fiddle to Vince' endless Samoan boner. Im sure it amounts to something to be a highly paid, heavily featured, main eventer. Im sure there's some,frustration in the locker room, but it's the most happy to be there roster it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 8:22:39 GMT -5
If we didn't care about who won scripted fictional matches, none of this would be here No, some of the drama and anger in this section lately has been pretty excessive recently. I actually prefer this. Like, if you're not allowed to gripe, this might as well be the TV Tropes forum. There's nothing wrong with this.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Feb 26, 2018 8:50:14 GMT -5
Other: Rollins to SD in draft?
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Post by Kyn on Feb 26, 2018 10:10:20 GMT -5
It leaves Seth looking great, top of the card, but not actively involved with (and therefore getting squashed by) Brock, when Brock can be bothered to show up. Seth's in a great position to move into the title picture once Brock goes away.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 26, 2018 11:26:48 GMT -5
No, some of the drama and anger in this section lately has been pretty excessive recently. I actually prefer this. Like, if you're not allowed to gripe, this might as well be the TV Tropes forum. There's nothing wrong with this. Gripes are fine, and so are critically-minded discussions. That's not quite the same, however, as hot takes or abject negativity. These are not in and of themselves automatically bad, but they still often beg the question "then why keep watching?"
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