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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 27, 2018 19:52:27 GMT -5
another example when they went on the road they spent a ton of money for a billboard campaign. Specifically one billboard... like down the block from WWE headquarters. When they weren't running a show in the state. Didn't they also do this in Time Square as well even thought they where not in NY or was going to NY anytime soon. If it's what I'm thinking of that's a little different. Spike owned a Billboard right outside Penn Station, and they used it to Advertise Hogan coming to Impact Wrestling for what seemed like months. It was Spike advertising TNA not TNA advertising themselves.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 27, 2018 20:38:32 GMT -5
The Times Square press conference was done to f*** with Vince, like if he ever considered their pathetic asses a threat.
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 27, 2018 20:39:06 GMT -5
I thought it was 'Eric Bischoff Says No One At Impact Can Grow A Beard'. Even for Impact I thought that was a weird headline. That would explain what happened to all the plastic EY beards. Oh, and Bischoff is still a conman who ruined TNA at a point where they were turning a corner, correct points or no.
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Post by Kyn on Feb 27, 2018 20:40:12 GMT -5
"Unfortunately for Impact Wrestling, Bischoff doesn't have any confidence in the creative team or the people running the business side of the company."
The phrasing of this is hilarious. 'Unfortunately for Impact'? ? Whether Bischoff has any confidence in Impact doesn't have a single f***ing iota of bearing on how they will perform. I mean, it'll be badly. But it won't be because of Bischoff's opinion.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 27, 2018 20:46:06 GMT -5
"Unfortunately for Impact Wrestling, Bischoff doesn't have any confidence in the creative team or the people running the business side of the company." The phrasing of this is hilarious. 'Unfortunately for Impact'? ? Whether Bischoff has any confidence in Impact doesn't have a single f***ing iota of bearing on how they will perform. I mean, it'll be badly. But it won't be because of Bischoff's opinion. Yeah, I mean we saw what Bischoff having confidence in creative team does...
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Post by The Barber on Feb 27, 2018 21:40:47 GMT -5
Val Venis was a joke hire in 2010, but Jeff Hardy, right off being arguably the top babyface in WWE in 2008-09, absolutely would fit that mold. And that ties to the other problem with Impact: No one at Impact can grow the brand, because no one in the wrestling climate right now, can grow a brand. WWE has no one who can really grow the brand (and even if TNA got the forlorn hope of "John Cena comes to Impact!", that wouldn't really grow things.) The worse thing for Impact is that there's five people who could arguably grow a brand in today's climate, and TNA had four of them and wasted them (the Young Bucks, Okada, and Joey Ryan- with Kenny Omega being the one person TNA didn't have...and GOOD LUCK getting him.) The problem that no matter what TNA did, they didn't to how to promote, Advertise, and so all the business side of things to get any big name they signed matter. At the same time when something was working with new talent they cut them off at the knees so to speak and change everything that was working. That was just how no matter who ran the company, without goals and a plan to get to those goals, you never going to succeed. TNA for so many years had the idea, if we just signed "insert big name here" that will automatically gain ratings and new fans. The fact that Eric came into the same company and had a big role but didn't change this thought process. It's almost the pot calling the kettle black coming from Eric. The problem with Jeff was he debuted, was gone a few weeks before we saw him and had the drug case against him. Signing him is one thing but did that market him? no. The fact you can call Val Venis a joke hire fine, but he went over one of the stars they where building up in Daniels. Daniels went from Main Eventing in a World title match on PPV to losing to an out of shape Val Venis. How does that help? I've said it a million times: one of TNA's biggest downfalls was their marketing. Unless you were in the know, no one knew they were coming to town or knew when they were on.
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Post by Rave on Feb 27, 2018 22:05:54 GMT -5
This is some bullshit and my inner Jim Cornette wants out.
Ah, Eric. Eric, Eric, Eric. Wasn't it you quoting numbers at us years ago? I seem to remember this particular tweet, which has more than likely been deleted since then...
"Seems like 90% of the audience loves what the loudest 10% hates. So who really matters?
The 10%er's can't get over the fact that they are irrelevant. Ratings don't lie. Research doesn't lie. IWC smarks need to get over it."
Ratings didn't lie, did they? They were in the damn toilet. Nobody wanted to see the schlock you were peddling.
Honestly, between TNA poisoning the waters for most non-WWE promotions to get on TV with Dixie's antics and the emergence of streaming services (and the viable streaming format of Twitch) where promotions can profit directly from uploading/airing their content and not have to go through stuff like ad revenue fees and getting pulled off the air if their network has a dispute with a carrier, I don't think wrestling needs high-profile cable television platforms anymore. And really, if you have alternative methods of competing and attracting that fanbase, why would you even want to go the cable television route?
Dude, even with Taimapedia still being down (and the domain needing to be renewed now), I remember a damn big portion of your TNA run, and I've put up quite a bit of it on that site the times it's been up. I can safely say you don't either.
Dude, you did that in spades. The incident where you asked for suggestions as to who to bring in then insulted everyone for not mentioning your precious "big names". All the times you ragged on fans for reacting negatively. The f***ing "cast members" thing which happened almost immediately after you came in, in response to fans turning their backs on what was most certainly your booking at the first PPV you helmed. Heck, putting your untalented son out there front and center. You and Hogan put TNA into a hole they've never gotten back out of with your stupid shit. And don't f***ing talk about "creating a brand and a product that would be different enough", because you went out there and pretty much made TNA into the WWE-lite Old Folks Home, even worse than it was beforehand.
Which is actually a good thing. Wrestling needs to grow and evolve, it needs new blood and new ideas. The past should be learned from, certainly, but not repeated ad nauseum. Y'know, like you did.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 27, 2018 22:54:00 GMT -5
I can't move on from the words " Wrestling Inc. President Raj Giri". I know you can make your job title whatever you want when you run the thing but come the f*** on, man
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Post by Crow Dust on Feb 27, 2018 22:54:40 GMT -5
This is some bullshit and my inner Jim Cornette wants out. Ah, Eric. Eric, Eric, Eric. Wasn't it you quoting numbers at us years ago? I seem to remember this particular tweet, which has more than likely been deleted since then... "Seems like 90% of the audience loves what the loudest 10% hates. So who really matters? The 10%er's can't get over the fact that they are irrelevant. Ratings don't lie. Research doesn't lie. IWC smarks need to get over it." Ratings didn't lie, did they? They were in the damn toilet. Nobody wanted to see the schlock you were peddling. Honestly, between TNA poisoning the waters for most non-WWE promotions to get on TV with Dixie's antics and the emergence of streaming services (and the viable streaming format of Twitch) where promotions can profit directly from uploading/airing their content and not have to go through stuff like ad revenue fees and getting pulled off the air if their network has a dispute with a carrier, I don't think wrestling needs high-profile cable television platforms anymore. And really, if you have alternative methods of competing and attracting that fanbase, why would you even want to go the cable television route? Dude, even with Taimapedia still being down (and the domain needing to be renewed now), I remember a damn big portion of your TNA run, and I've put up quite a bit of it on that site the times it's been up. I can safely say you don't either. Dude, you did that in spades. The incident where you asked for suggestions as to who to bring in then insulted everyone for not mentioning your precious "big names". All the times you ragged on fans for reacting negatively. The f***ing "cast members" thing which happened almost immediately after you came in, in response to fans turning their backs on what was most certainly your booking at the first PPV you helmed. Heck, putting your untalented son out there front and center. You and Hogan put TNA into a hole they've never gotten back out of with your stupid shit. And don't f***ing talk about "creating a brand and a product that would be different enough", because you went out there and pretty much made TNA into the WWE-lite Old Folks Home, even worse than it was beforehand. Which is actually a good thing. Wrestling needs to grow and evolve, it needs new blood and new ideas. The past should be learned from, certainly, but not repeated ad nauseum. Y'know, like you did.
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 27, 2018 23:07:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I could do without Eric Bischoff: Wrestling Hot Take Machine in 2018, thank you very much, reality.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 28, 2018 5:15:28 GMT -5
No-one in impact has the experience needed to grow the brand? Well yeah, but they've hired dozens of people with hands on experience running promotions and most of them have been worse than busts, including Bischoff. How many wrestling guys do they need to hire and be taken for a ride by, have pee away millions and walk off to do shoots or podcasts blaming everyone but themselves?
At this point rolling the dice on untested guys is the best option they have, WCW did that before and chose Bischoff after wrestling people like watts and Jim Ross gad failed and to his credit it worked for a while.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 1, 2018 18:41:11 GMT -5
Honestly, hearing bischoff say this makes me root for Impact to do better.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Mar 11, 2018 11:34:10 GMT -5
Strange to say now.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 11, 2018 13:30:53 GMT -5
"Number 1 was never on the horizon"
That's was the problem right there. If they stopped thinking they could gain ground on wwe and just be TNA the alternative, things could have ended up bettre,
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 11, 2018 16:04:51 GMT -5
The problem that no matter what TNA did, they didn't to how to promote, Advertise, and so all the business side of things to get any big name they signed matter. At the same time when something was working with new talent they cut them off at the knees so to speak and change everything that was working. That was just how no matter who ran the company, without goals and a plan to get to those goals, you never going to succeed. TNA for so many years had the idea, if we just signed "insert big name here" that will automatically gain ratings and new fans. The fact that Eric came into the same company and had a big role but didn't change this thought process. It's almost the pot calling the kettle black coming from Eric. The problem with Jeff was he debuted, was gone a few weeks before we saw him and had the drug case against him. Signing him is one thing but did that market him? no. The fact you can call Val Venis a joke hire fine, but he went over one of the stars they where building up in Daniels. Daniels went from Main Eventing in a World title match on PPV to losing to an out of shape Val Venis. How does that help? I've said it a million times: one of TNA's biggest downfalls was their marketing. Unless you were in the know, no one knew they were coming to town or knew when they were on. They didn't market locally for their shows. Which was the weirdest thing. It was like they expected everyone to know they'd be in town.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 11, 2018 17:55:34 GMT -5
I've said it a million times: one of TNA's biggest downfalls was their marketing. Unless you were in the know, no one knew they were coming to town or knew when they were on. They didn't market locally for their shows. Which was the weirdest thing. It was like they expected everyone to know they'd be in town. AJ said that Dixie expected everyone to know about the show just by tweeting about it...what an idiot.
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Post by Hulk With A Mustache on Mar 11, 2018 19:13:39 GMT -5
They didn't market locally for their shows. Which was the weirdest thing. It was like they expected everyone to know they'd be in town. AJ said that Dixie expected everyone to know about the show just by tweeting about it...what an idiot. I can't believe that someone can be that stupid.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 11, 2018 19:39:35 GMT -5
AJ said that Dixie expected everyone to know about the show just by tweeting about it...what an idiot. I can't believe that someone can be that stupid. Dixie Carter went to college for advertising and put billboards of tna in cities they never ran. She also spent tens of millions of her family's money to the point they ran away. She's beyond stupid.
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Post by mattyc on Mar 11, 2018 20:07:03 GMT -5
It doesn't matter who they bring in, or what new direction/rebirth/name change they undertake at this point. The long term damage to the brand is irreversible, perception is reality and the overall perception that most wrestling fans (casual or otherwise) have of Impact isn't a pretty one. I think the company is just existing, waiting for somebody to make the call to turn the life support system off.
I stuck with Impact longer than many. I've had times when I've really enjoyed the product. The long term story of the company has always been 1 step forward and 5 steps back. Just the other day it dawned on me, I've got a backlog of recordings going back to November that I really think are going to be deleted without being watched. It's really hard to get myself motivated to watch the product now. Not in a World where my Wrestling itch is being scratched in grand fashion by the WWE Network, NJPW World and Progress.
The majority of the talent I cared for in TNA can be seen in other places and they're utilised better in those other places. I really don't know what place Impact Wrestling has in the current wrestling landscape?
If the product does somehow get turned around, I'll give whoever is responsible the full credit for the miracle worker(s) that they are.
I realise that I've not seen a TNA show since November, but trust me...prior to November I watched nearly every episode of Impact from 2005 onwards. So if the product has drastically improved since November and there is some really hot matches or angles I've missed out on, please clue me in!
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Post by Bad Moon on Mar 11, 2018 20:21:08 GMT -5
Ah, the old Russo gambit. Try to get a job by burying the company you want to work for.
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