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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Mar 7, 2018 2:29:50 GMT -5
The most bizarrely awful part of the whole angle didn't even involve Punk, IMO. The climax of the match was Triple H screwing over Cena by counting the pin on him even with his hand on the ropes, then the next night Hunter's all "Hey, my bad, bro" and Cena's just "No prob" and it's NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN.
What the f*** was that?
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Mar 7, 2018 2:43:09 GMT -5
I still love that a Cena vs. CM Punk feud ended with Triple H vs. Kevin Nash. I never got that. Triple H claimed that everything was done to help Punk. That was a bunch of bullshit. Punk got mainstream publicity and what do they do? The fed him to f***ing Triple H. Who was starting to become a part timer. And it's been pretty clear that HHH hates Punk, while even Punk claims he and Vince get on well, so HHH is certainly not above being petty, possibly more than Vince. Reason #34058 why I think HHH taking over in full will be no better and possibly worse. His little NXT super-indy project where a ton of other people help him out the whole way is one thing, WWE is another, and HHH with power over WWE tv always results in HHH all over WWE tv.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 7, 2018 3:21:06 GMT -5
The most bizarrely awful part of the whole angle didn't even involve Punk, IMO. The climax of the match was Triple H screwing over Cena by counting the pin on him even with his hand on the ropes, then the next night Hunter's all "Hey, my bad, bro" and Cena's just "No prob" and it's NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN. What the f*** was that? Hell, it seemed like both sides switched over the obvious feuds instead of the ones that should have happened (if Nash didn’t get involved). Cena should have been pissed at HHH for not seeing the hand on the ropes and Punk should have gone after Del Rio for the cash in. There was literally no good reason Cena should have gone after Del Rio except for a hatred of MITB (which itself is...understandable yet silly as hell). The same thing happened with the Shield breakup and Roman decided to go after the world title and Ambrose to Seth which made me go “Erm...why aren’t you BOTH going after Rollins?”
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 7:00:05 GMT -5
The Summer of Punk, booked incorrectly? Glad we have a thread on here about it finally. Now, somebody get on Batista and basketballs. (Seriously, you are right, they booked him like shit; they don't trust what gets over that don't foresee getting over). I deserved that. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) But yeah...I haven't I watched that ppv in years and never really see the match itself discussed as much as other stuff during that time. This really isn't about everything that came after, as I agree that the aftermath is old hat by this point. I was just taken aback by how shitty they made Punk look in that match, which in hindsight, you can see as being the writing on the wall for all of the awful stuff that was to come after.
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Post by 111111 on Mar 7, 2018 8:24:33 GMT -5
Diddnt they pretty much do the exact same finish at Summerslam with Daniel Bryan 2 years later?
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Post by hossfan on Mar 7, 2018 8:31:56 GMT -5
Diddnt they pretty much do the exact same finish at Summerslam with Daniel Bryan 2 years later? I don't think there was quite as much outrage over the Bryan finish because even though there was a similar finish things made more sense story-wise and it seemed like this was a moment Bryan was being legitimately elevated
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 7, 2018 9:14:08 GMT -5
At least this gave us the best quote ever a couple of years later,
"No offense but you need to work with me, I don't."
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Post by Lupin the Third on Mar 7, 2018 10:32:24 GMT -5
For me this was Triple H's worst period, from the CM Punk feud to the Brock feud he was not doing great work. I think Punk and Triple H could've been great rivals if Triple H was a heel, but the insistence on keeping him as the "cool boss" through this period was awful. Triple H usurped Vince's power, got him fired, suddenly Triple H's degenerate friends are helping him fight his battles, all the while being "aw shucks" about everything like he's innocent,. I'm fine with the Triple H/CM Punk feud and the way their first match turned out with Nash interfering, but CM Punk absolutely should've been right about Triple H in the end and CM Punk vs. the WWE machine should've been the big feud for a while. Triple H has a serious inferiority complex. Jim Cornette described him the best, that he was never the guy, he was always the one who makes the guy look good. I think Triple H's best period after the initial DX run was the late 99/early 2001 period. He was champion for a bit, had decent feuds with Foley and The Rock, finally lost it at KoTR 2000, then feuded with Jericho, Angle, Benoit, and finally Austin, staying away from the championship. After the injury in 01, it just went downhill from there. I think the leg injury in 01 really affected his ability to perform. That, and it looked like he just started gassing to get super buff to compensate for other areas lacking.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 7, 2018 14:29:23 GMT -5
Triple H has a serious inferiority complex. Jim Cornette described him the best, that he was never the guy, he was always the one who makes the guy look good. I think Triple H's best period after the initial DX run was the late 99/early 2001 period. He was champion for a bit, had decent feuds with Foley and The Rock, finally lost it at KoTR 2000, then feuded with Jericho, Angle, Benoit, and finally Austin, staying away from the championship. After the injury in 01, it just went downhill from there. I think the leg injury in 01 really affected his ability to perform. That, and it looked like he just started gassing to get super buff to compensate for other areas lacking. And that run in the attitude era is what f***ed him up mentally. He was never gonna draw like Austin even if they paid the fans to watch the shows. He was never gonna be a mainstream star like The Rock. He was never gonna cut the quality of promos Mick Foley did. He was never gonna be the locker room leader that was the Undertaker. And that's why we got the reign of terror.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 8, 2018 7:08:49 GMT -5
It's a jaw dropping time to look back on; Punk winning the title was a moment that had me going "hey, maybe I'll actually try to catch Raw the next couple of weeks", and they just wasted no time at all in botching every conceivable thing about it. They handled it so poorly that even making Punk champion for 400+ days couldn't undo the damage, especially as Punk spent almost that entire run being kept away from PPV main events unless he was facing Cena.
Of course, I'll also always point out the absolute worst part of that run: the "Raw Walk Out" angle. At that point I'd long vacillated between "I don't watch WWE because it just doesn't appeal to my personal tastes in wrestling" and "I don't like supporting WWE because I find their business practices unethical", but even just seeing that angle play out silently on a TV in the gym with subtitles on was enough to get me to go full-metal "@#$% THIS COMPANY." Just one of the outright dumbest and most offensive angles (outside of pure sex/race exploitation material) I've ever had the misery of witnessing in an industry with a sordid history of dumb and offensive angles.
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Post by Shy Guy on Mar 8, 2018 14:27:04 GMT -5
I still love that a Cena vs. CM Punk feud ended with Triple H vs. Kevin Nash. this is the most baffling part of the whole feud. how did it go from MOTY (arguably) to this shit ending, the nash texting himself (?) and then a match with nash and HHH? LETS ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT THIS, GUYS. HOW THE EFF DID THIS HAPPEN
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Mar 8, 2018 16:45:14 GMT -5
I still love that a Cena vs. CM Punk feud ended with Triple H vs. Kevin Nash. this is the most baffling part of the whole feud. how did it go from MOTY (arguably) to this shit ending, the nash texting himself (?) and then a match with nash and HHH? LETS ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT THIS, GUYS. HOW THE EFF DID THIS HAPPEN Nash breaking into a building to send a text message to himself will forever be the stupidest,awful, and most hilarious thing a wrestling storyline has done.
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 8, 2018 20:53:58 GMT -5
I still love that a Cena vs. CM Punk feud ended with Triple H vs. Kevin Nash. Classic WWE.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Mar 9, 2018 4:51:21 GMT -5
Of course, I'll also always point out the absolute worst part of that run: the "Raw Walk Out" angle. At that point I'd long vacillated between "I don't watch WWE because it just doesn't appeal to my personal tastes in wrestling" and "I don't like supporting WWE because I find their business practices unethical", but even just seeing that angle play out silently on a TV in the gym with subtitles on was enough to get me to go full-metal "@#$% THIS COMPANY." Just one of the outright dumbest and most offensive angles (outside of pure sex/race exploitation material) I've ever had the misery of witnessing in an industry with a sordid history of dumb and offensive angles. Recall the funniest thing about the walkout was the fact WWE performers utilized a basic right afforded to employees with unions and has not, at any time in WWE history, been an option available to WWE stars as "independent contractors." Also, CM Punk's position on the show was soul-crushing. From the rebel son dropping pipebombs to being the consummate company guy/Hunter's little buddy holding down the fort whilst the rest of the roster act like spoiled children in the narrative.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 9, 2018 7:38:49 GMT -5
Of course, I'll also always point out the absolute worst part of that run: the "Raw Walk Out" angle. At that point I'd long vacillated between "I don't watch WWE because it just doesn't appeal to my personal tastes in wrestling" and "I don't like supporting WWE because I find their business practices unethical", but even just seeing that angle play out silently on a TV in the gym with subtitles on was enough to get me to go full-metal "@#$% THIS COMPANY." Just one of the outright dumbest and most offensive angles (outside of pure sex/race exploitation material) I've ever had the misery of witnessing in an industry with a sordid history of dumb and offensive angles. Recall the funniest thing about the walkout was the fact WWE performers utilized a basic right afforded to employees with unions and has not, at any time in WWE history, been an option available to WWE stars as "independent contractors." Also, CM Punk's position on the show was soul-crushing. From the rebel son dropping pipebombs to being the consummate company guy/Hunter's little buddy holding down the fort whilst the rest of the roster act like spoiled children in the narrative. Yeah, just revolting in every sense. Vince's way of saying "How dare workers think about their rights and safety when there's a show they should be putting on for THESE FINE PEOPLE! <counts money made not providing basic benefits to workers while otherwise treating these 'independent contractors' as employees, anyway>" Scary part is that we haven't even touched on the fact that they used those segments to actively bury the entire roster. From Beth's "But Hunter, we're GIIIIIIIRLS!", to Triple H saying he could have a better match with a broom than with anyone of the roster, to guys like Cena and Punk basically calling them all babies, and then having Laurenitis bring them all back in and not addressing any of that, everybody came back looking like garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 7:44:51 GMT -5
Recall the funniest thing about the walkout was the fact WWE performers utilized a basic right afforded to employees with unions and has not, at any time in WWE history, been an option available to WWE stars as "independent contractors." Also, CM Punk's position on the show was soul-crushing. From the rebel son dropping pipebombs to being the consummate company guy/Hunter's little buddy holding down the fort whilst the rest of the roster act like spoiled children in the narrative. Yeah, just revolting in every sense. Vince's way of saying "How dare workers think about their rights and safety when there's a show they should be putting on for THESE FINE PEOPLE! <counts money made not providing basic benefits to workers while otherwise treating these 'independent contractors' as employees, anyway>" Scary part is that we haven't even touched on the fact that they used those segments to actively bury the entire roster. From Beth's "But Hunter, we're GIIIIIIIRLS!", to Triple H saying he could have a better match with a broom than with anyone of the roster, to guys like Cena and Punk basically calling them all babies, and then having Laurenitis bring them all back in and not addressing any of that, everybody came back looking like garbage. I still think they missed an absolutely golden opportunity with the walkout thing really. They should've, one, come up with a better reason to do it, and two, had only about half the roster - some faces, some heels - leave instead of absolutely everyone but the absolute tip-top faces and done something where through some loophole they got equal airtime to just do their own show in the parking garage with a thrown-together ring for a week or two, and used it as part of an overall company civil war for a bit that led into Survivor Series and paid off there. Wouldn't have made a lot of real world sense, mind you, but it'd have made for a very memorable couple of episodes of Raw and an interesting dynamic.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 9, 2018 8:02:29 GMT -5
Recall the funniest thing about the walkout was the fact WWE performers utilized a basic right afforded to employees with unions and has not, at any time in WWE history, been an option available to WWE stars as "independent contractors." Also, CM Punk's position on the show was soul-crushing. From the rebel son dropping pipebombs to being the consummate company guy/Hunter's little buddy holding down the fort whilst the rest of the roster act like spoiled children in the narrative. Yeah, just revolting in every sense. Vince's way of saying "How dare workers think about their rights and safety when there's a show they should be putting on for THESE FINE PEOPLE! <counts money made not providing basic benefits to workers while otherwise treating these 'independent contractors' as employees, anyway>" Scary part is that we haven't even touched on the fact that they used those segments to actively bury the entire roster. From Beth's "But Hunter, we're GIIIIIIIRLS!", to Triple H saying he could have a better match with a broom than with anyone of the roster, to guys like Cena and Punk basically calling them all babies, and then having Laurenitis bring them all back in and not addressing any of that, everybody came back looking like garbage. Watching that live was just astounding in how short-sighted this company can be about stuff like this. And then people wonder why they've barely been able to build up a new star in the last decade or so.
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Post by -Lithium- on Mar 9, 2018 10:17:30 GMT -5
"WHO SENT THE TEXT" was the WCW "WHO DROVE THE HUMMER" of WWE.
There's no defending Summerslam 2011. At all. Far, FAR and away the best promo guy in the company loses the title to a guy whos only promo was "ET IS MAH DESSSTINNNYYYY". Ugh. f*** off. Then you have a f***ing Kevin Nash return. Also, God forbid the night you're gonna totally (already had started cause they're incompetent idiots who had Punk come back 2 weeks after winning) ruin this amazing angle that Punk get a clean win over the golden boy.
No one in a decade has "grabbed the brass ring" like Punk did in Summer 2011. In one month he went from midcarder to main eventer who THE reason to watch the show every week, and it was based on the work and angle that HE came up with, and they f***ed him over for a Kevin "Shitty" Nash return and a Mexican Conway Pop title reign that ended a month later. That'll teach guys to try. f***ing idiots.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 9, 2018 10:40:18 GMT -5
The Summer of Punk lasted two weeks, from the moment he did the pipebomb promo to the moment WWE simply created a new title belt and gave it back to Cena, thus making the whole thing pointless.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Mar 9, 2018 11:29:29 GMT -5
Everything that has happened since Punk beating Cena for the title is like we woke all up in an alternate timeline.
I don't think there is any other time I wish I could be a fly on the well during the booking meetings. There were so many other things going on during that time along with Punk's title reign that were completely baffling.
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