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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 12, 2018 0:50:39 GMT -5
We could talk all day about some of the misstep members. Paul Roma had the look and arguably the swagger, but he was known as a job guy, and not really adequately built up to be an addition. Jarrett in my opinion would have been perfectly fine, but the problem was that he was forced onto the Horsemen by the booking committee and the Horsemen resented being told who to have. Mongo was a really green and clunky wrestler, but he had the athletic credibility and was a "winner", so he fit with them on that level, and Debra was a good entourage addition, anyway. Obviously, opinions are going to be mixed on these.
What I'm more curious about is people who almost joined, or would have been potentially accepted by the Horsemen (Namely, Ric and Arn, since there's less of a need to even have the additions if Tully doesn't get blocked from coming back due to his drug issues, and Ole retiring).
Reason I made the thread was listening to Cornette talking about how Stan Lane and Bobby Eaton very nearly joined. Jim Herd was adamant about wanting to split the team, and he wanted to move Jim Cornnette to a commentary/announcement position. Cornette pretty obviously hated this idea for a variety of reasons. Flair and Herd legendarily had problems, anyhow. But, an arrangement had been made to where Flair and Cornette were willing to have Cornette "sell" the Midnight Express to Woman, who would of course bring them into the Horsemen due to her association. Cornette would move to commentary, Flair would get workers he was comfortable being associated with strongly, and the idea was that Herd would get what he wanted, and Flair and Cornette would wait out Herd's inevitable ousting, given pretty much no one liked him or had faith in him. Ultimately, Herd reneged on the deal, Cornette quit the booking committee in protest, and I think this is where the seeds of Smokey Mountain Wrestling were planted.
I'd have really liked to see how that'd play out. The Express obviously were pretty tried and true, and if Flair actually WANTED them, then that'd have probably been good, as wrong as Midnight Express sans Cornette would be. Any other near misses or fits you'd have liked to see tried?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 12, 2018 1:04:08 GMT -5
Lane was definitely horseman material but I'm not sure about Eaton.
Man now that I think about it, Herd did everything he could to kill the Horsemen even upholding the drug suspension Tully had from the wwf. Cornette claimed it was the only time it has ever happened in the history of wrestling.
To this day I think Curt Hennig was supposed to be a horseman but they changed it so the nWo could embarrass them again.
I'm not entirely sure but I think Eddie was rumored to be a horseman, he would've been better than Mongo.
How about Jeff Jarrett? But without the girly white stripes he used to wear and never feeding him to Mongo.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 12, 2018 1:04:43 GMT -5
Speaking of, if Cornette had not formed Smokey Mountain Wrestling, which he very well may not have if the Horsemen deal had gone through, he wouldn't have ended up needing someone to make tapes for him, some dude named Vince Russo.
Yes, Cornette did apparently play a part in Russo's getting into wrestling. I wish I could find the video where he hits that realization, but it was pretty amusing. He unknowingly fathered his archnemesis in a fashion.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 12, 2018 1:46:26 GMT -5
Lane was definitely horseman material but I'm not sure about Eaton. Man now that I think about it, Herd did everything he could to kill the Horsemen even upholding the drug suspension Tully had from the wwf. Cornette claimed it was the only time it has ever happened in the history of wrestling. To this day I think Curt Hennig was supposed to be a horseman but they changed it so the nWo could embarrass them again. I'm not entirely sure but I think Eddie was rumored to be a horseman, he would've been better than Mongo. How about Jeff Jarrett? But without the girly white stripes he used to wear and never feeding him to Mongo. If they gave him better gear, it'd have helped, but the biggest problem with Jarrett was probably just that Flair and Arn resented being told who to have in the Horsemen, so he would always have been met with resistance from them. Eaton would have fit in terms of ring work, he was obviously pretty phenomenal there, but Stan definitely fit better on the other end of the Horsemen, the night life.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Mar 12, 2018 10:12:36 GMT -5
When Tully and Arn left in 1988, and the Road Warriors had turned heel, Ric Flair teased in interviews that THEY might fill the two voids in the group.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 12, 2018 11:05:03 GMT -5
When Tully and Arn left in 1988, and the Road Warriors had turned heel, Ric Flair teased in interviews that THEY might fill the two voids in the group. The most dominant team in the most dominant faction holy f***.
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 12, 2018 12:42:48 GMT -5
I never thought about the Express joining, but in 89, with JJ gone, why not bring Cornette in too? The Express could again take aim at the tag titles which they should have been doing anyway
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Mar 12, 2018 14:47:18 GMT -5
When Tully and Arn left in 1988, and the Road Warriors had turned heel, Ric Flair teased in interviews that THEY might fill the two voids in the group. I remember two of the rumored members being Kendall Windham and Butch Reed. If that was legit, they probably realized it wasn’t going to be anywhere near as meaningful as Arn and Tully and squashed it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 15:10:49 GMT -5
Stan Lane is like an unofficial Horesman for me, dude could have slid right in seamlessly if he was ever given the chance I feel.
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Post by hulksmash87 on Mar 12, 2018 19:11:48 GMT -5
I always have felt pillman and Austin should have been horseman after they feuded with Arn and flair
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 20:10:20 GMT -5
Speaking of, if Cornette had not formed Smokey Mountain Wrestling, which he very well may not have if the Horsemen deal had gone through, he wouldn't have ended up needing someone to make tapes for him, some dude named Vince Russo. Yes, Cornette did apparently play a part in Russo's getting into wrestling. I wish I could find the video where he hits that realization, but it was pretty amusing. He unknowingly fathered his archnemesis in a fashion. Found it (language warning of course) :
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 15, 2018 20:24:17 GMT -5
Speaking of, if Cornette had not formed Smokey Mountain Wrestling, which he very well may not have if the Horsemen deal had gone through, he wouldn't have ended up needing someone to make tapes for him, some dude named Vince Russo. Yes, Cornette did apparently play a part in Russo's getting into wrestling. I wish I could find the video where he hits that realization, but it was pretty amusing. He unknowingly fathered his archnemesis in a fashion. Found it (language warning of course) : So, Russo potentially got into wrestling due to Cornette, who probably wouldn't have been needing to even make tapes except for his problems with Herd. This is some butterfly effect shit.
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Post by brown bricks on Mar 15, 2018 22:02:30 GMT -5
I'm STILL pissed that Curt Hennig wasn't really a member. That was such a cool moment when he (supposedly) took Arn's "spot" and then it was all ruined.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 15, 2018 22:44:31 GMT -5
Found it (language warning of course) : So, Russo potentially got into wrestling due to Cornette, who probably wouldn't have been needing to even make tapes except for his problems with Herd. This is some butterfly effect shit. Oh my god. TBS/Jim Herd DID f*** up the business! If it wasn't for TBS hiring Herd, who pissed off Jimmy C.... This is hilarious/amazing!
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Post by fortknox on Mar 16, 2018 18:17:42 GMT -5
I'm STILL pissed that Curt Hennig wasn't really a member. That was such a cool moment when he (supposedly) took Arn's "spot" and then it was all ruined. Yeah, I never thought Henning was a right fit for the NWO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 19:00:37 GMT -5
Vader and Steve Austin in 1995. I think it was brought up in one of the Observer Rewinds that Flair wanted to revive the Horsemen with Vader and Austin in the group.
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Post by Larryhausen on Mar 16, 2018 22:33:10 GMT -5
Vader and Steve Austin in 1995. I think it was brought up in one of the Observer Rewinds that Flair wanted to revive the Horsemen with Vader and Austin in the group. That just makes me want a comedy skit where Flair is trying to get everyone to put up the four fingers and Vader can't stop doing the "V" gesture.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 17, 2018 0:45:43 GMT -5
I never thought about the Express joining, but in 89, with JJ gone, why not bring Cornette in too? The Express could again take aim at the tag titles which they should have been doing anyway That was the plan I think, but instead of drawing money, Herd let his hatred for Flair and Cornette become detrimental for business. Jerry Jarrett and Lawler had a saying that they would book the devil itself if that meant drawing money. f*** they also booked guys they legit despised like the Poffos and Austin Idol, Herd should've known better than trying to destroy the Horsemen just because of his stupid feud with Flair.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 17, 2018 0:59:34 GMT -5
That was the plan I think, but instead of drawing money, Herd let his hatred for Flair and Cornette become detrimental for business. Jerry Jarrett and Lawler had a saying that they would book the devil itself if that meant drawing money. f*** they also booked guys they legit despised like the Poffos and Austin Idol, Herd should've known better than trying to destroy the Horsemen just because of his stupid feud with Flair. The Luger/Flair stuff is what led to a lot of the beef Yeah Flair choosing to wait for Sting instead of passing the belt to Luger. I think their hatred also started in the booking meetings, according to Kevin Sullivan, Herd was a bully and liked to throw his weight around thinking that because he was the boss everyone would obey him, that didn't set well with Cornette and Flair. I think the only person who didn't hate Herd was Jim Ross who apparently just got him drunk every night lol.
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Post by brody on Mar 17, 2018 6:26:40 GMT -5
Having Ole being the grizzled vet running interference as the manager type in 1993, with the Hollywood Blonds being taken in as the young studs who slowly turn on Arn and Flair as the year progresses. I'm not sure how I'd run the face/heel alignment since Pillman had just gone heel, and the fans wouldn't want to boo Flair after his two year exile.
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