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Post by mysteriousagent0076 on Apr 1, 2018 15:32:58 GMT -5
The InVasion. What should have been the greatest ended up being one of the worst.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Apr 1, 2018 15:37:29 GMT -5
The Higher Power.
I just read again about how Christopher Daniels as the Higher Power was being considered, but Vince thought he was too short. Daniels would have been an unknown with most of the audience, but I wish he had been given more of a chance in the WWF so I think they should have went with it. The WWF was at its most popular, they could have afforded to take a chance on Christopher Daniels.
Dean Malenko/Lita feud
I think Lita should have won the Light-Heavyweight title. She was getting really over, Malenko getting his just desserts and losing his belt to Lita would have been great.
Maybe these aren't the worst examples, but they are missed opportunities that come to mind right now.
My pick for one of the worst lately...The Wyatt Family's treatment after WrestleMania 30. They should have slowly taken over WWE. The Usos feud should have ended with Harper and Rowan winning, and Wyatt should have gotten the upper hand on Cena. Even if Cena got his win back before the end of the year, at least have the Wyatt Family dominate for several months instead of talking a big game and never being able to get the job done.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 15:39:24 GMT -5
It does seem like a ton of the really crap stuff has happened in the past few years, doesn't it? I haven't seen much ranting about how terrible a storyline was in the 1980s or 90s. I think in terms of long running crap storylines how about Lesnar's entire 2014-present run? It's actually not even so much a bad storyline as it is a massively ill advised mega push of a guy that doesn't deserve it and never has. But consider the following: --Brock Lesnar ended The Undertaker's streak at WM 30. --Brock Lesnar then went on to destroy John Cena for the WWE title at Summerslam 2014. He did almost nothing with the belt, was never around, etc. --These two things were done primarily to build up a mega huge heel for Roman Reigns to defeat and cement himself as God's Gift To Wrestling. --For a variety of reasons, Reigns wasn't over. Thus, a change was needed and Rollins cashed in. This led to Rollins's entire awful title run. --Meanwhile, since they didn't get the job out of Lesnar that was required, WWE signed him to ANOTHER 3 year deal so that he could continue to put forth zero effort and bury all credible talent (Ambrose, Orton, etc). --After spending most of 2015 and 2016 not even knowing what to do with Lesnar there was finally a weird idea: Bring back Goldberg. So after Lesnar went over everyone on earth a 50 year old Bill Goldberg returns and demolishes Lesnar in under 90 seconds at Survivor Series. Then punks him at the Rumble just for kicks. --WWE apparently did not grasp that Lesnar's destruction was basically the endgame of the entire character. After all, where does the big bully go once someone kicks the crap out of him? Not to Vince. Lesnar instead goes on to beat Goldberg (who humiliated Kevin Owens here as well in that farce of a title match). --So now Lesnar is, again, a champion. What next? Instead of just getting this Reigns crap over with once and for all WWE holds off for an entire year! In the meantime Lesnar basically squashed any top challenger on Raw. Samoa Joe, Strowman, Kane, Reigns himself at SS, even the WWE champion AJ Styles (which proved Styles is a miracle worker). All of these men went down to a single F5, again just so Reigns can be the guy to kick out of it at WM to the crowd's apathy. --Finally we get to WM season. Reigns at long last finally addresses the elephant in the room, namely that Lesnar is a bum that never wrestles, collects a big paycheck to do very little, and is a waste of time. In fact, the rumors of Lesnar going back to UFC have been around for so long now that this match has been preemptively crapped on, and the build has done a lot to make fans hate Lesnar, but has done nothing to make anyone like Reigns. So we may get a WM 20 redo with both men getting crapped on by the fans. The scary thing about all of this is that Lesnar, his push, and the incessant Reigns deification has left a path of buried wrestlers in its wake a mile long. Taker's streak? Gone. Cena has never really been the same since he was stomped. Rollins had his own awful title run and has never really recovered from it (and Lesnar factored in there too in a match where he destroyed Seth and made him look like a jobber). Dean Ambrose fell victim to Lesnar and his apathetic performances, and took a while to recover from it (debatable as to whether he ever did). Randy Orton was beaten senseless in that idiotic idea for a match, which led to a make up push including a Rumble win that led to the disastrous Bray Wyatt feud with maggots in the ring and the House of Horrors (this might have ended Orton's main event push for good). So the Lesnar plague infected Smackdown's booking as well. Kevin Owens had his title push killed off in order to indirectly feed the beast, and as such Jericho's feud with Owens meant less than it would have. And of course all of the title contenders Lesnar has beaten this year are all worse off because they jobbed in 6 minutes to a guy Goldberg destroyed in 90 seconds. Just review all of that. Let it sink in how many careers have been sabotaged in order to push Brock Lesnar, and indirectly to eventually crown Roman Reigns. The hilarity is that after WM Lesnar is likely to take his ball and go home, while Reigns will be left as champion with no viable contenders since they've all been buried. Yeah this wins. Lesnar's storyline affected way more people and the entire product as a whole compared to most of what I've seen here. It's been going on for about 4 years. Nothing is beating that.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Apr 1, 2018 15:50:25 GMT -5
For real, tho, I wanna know what was in that lockbox.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Apr 1, 2018 15:53:02 GMT -5
It does seem like a ton of the really crap stuff has happened in the past few years, doesn't it? I haven't seen much ranting about how terrible a storyline was in the 1980s or 90s. I think in terms of long running crap storylines how about Lesnar's entire 2014-present run? It's actually not even so much a bad storyline as it is a massively ill advised mega push of a guy that doesn't deserve it and never has. But consider the following: --Brock Lesnar ended The Undertaker's streak at WM 30. --Brock Lesnar then went on to destroy John Cena for the WWE title at Summerslam 2014. He did almost nothing with the belt, was never around, etc. --These two things were done primarily to build up a mega huge heel for Roman Reigns to defeat and cement himself as God's Gift To Wrestling. --For a variety of reasons, Reigns wasn't over. Thus, a change was needed and Rollins cashed in. This led to Rollins's entire awful title run. --Meanwhile, since they didn't get the job out of Lesnar that was required, WWE signed him to ANOTHER 3 year deal so that he could continue to put forth zero effort and bury all credible talent (Ambrose, Orton, etc). --After spending most of 2015 and 2016 not even knowing what to do with Lesnar there was finally a weird idea: Bring back Goldberg. So after Lesnar went over everyone on earth a 50 year old Bill Goldberg returns and demolishes Lesnar in under 90 seconds at Survivor Series. Then punks him at the Rumble just for kicks. --WWE apparently did not grasp that Lesnar's destruction was basically the endgame of the entire character. After all, where does the big bully go once someone kicks the crap out of him? Not to Vince. Lesnar instead goes on to beat Goldberg (who humiliated Kevin Owens here as well in that farce of a title match). --So now Lesnar is, again, a champion. What next? Instead of just getting this Reigns crap over with once and for all WWE holds off for an entire year! In the meantime Lesnar basically squashed any top challenger on Raw. Samoa Joe, Strowman, Kane, Reigns himself at SS, even the WWE champion AJ Styles (which proved Styles is a miracle worker). All of these men went down to a single F5, again just so Reigns can be the guy to kick out of it at WM to the crowd's apathy. --Finally we get to WM season. Reigns at long last finally addresses the elephant in the room, namely that Lesnar is a bum that never wrestles, collects a big paycheck to do very little, and is a waste of time. In fact, the rumors of Lesnar going back to UFC have been around for so long now that this match has been preemptively crapped on, and the build has done a lot to make fans hate Lesnar, but has done nothing to make anyone like Reigns. So we may get a WM 20 redo with both men getting crapped on by the fans. The scary thing about all of this is that Lesnar, his push, and the incessant Reigns deification has left a path of buried wrestlers in its wake a mile long. Taker's streak? Gone. Cena has never really been the same since he was stomped. Rollins had his own awful title run and has never really recovered from it (and Lesnar factored in there too in a match where he destroyed Seth and made him look like a jobber). Dean Ambrose fell victim to Lesnar and his apathetic performances, and took a while to recover from it (debatable as to whether he ever did). Randy Orton was beaten senseless in that idiotic idea for a match, which led to a make up push including a Rumble win that led to the disastrous Bray Wyatt feud with maggots in the ring and the House of Horrors (this might have ended Orton's main event push for good). So the Lesnar plague infected Smackdown's booking as well. Kevin Owens had his title push killed off in order to indirectly feed the beast, and as such Jericho's feud with Owens meant less than it would have. And of course all of the title contenders Lesnar has beaten this year are all worse off because they jobbed in 6 minutes to a guy Goldberg destroyed in 90 seconds. Just review all of that. Let it sink in how many careers have been sabotaged in order to push Brock Lesnar, and indirectly to eventually crown Roman Reigns. The hilarity is that after WM Lesnar is likely to take his ball and go home, while Reigns will be left as champion with no viable contenders since they've all been buried. The part of this that I did really like was Lesnar squashing John Cena at Summerslam 2014. At the time, it was interesting to watch Super Cena get destroyed. A part of me still expected Cena to make a comeback and win. However, Lesnar remained unstoppable for way too long. I think Roman should have beaten Lesnar at WM31, and then have Rollins cash in afterward. Reigns still looks good because he defeated The Beast, Rollins gets his WrestleMania moment, and Reigns has to chase the title again. It would have been a great setup for what was to come, and they could have seen if Reigns was going to work in the main event title scene going into Summerslam 2015. Instead, they decided to put off his "crowning moment" until WM32, and his rematch with Lesnar for even longer.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 1, 2018 16:05:06 GMT -5
God, Brock Lesnar's return was fun at first, but when they booked him at the rest of the roster's expense, even though calling him a "part-timer" is being generous, it became horrible. It's stagnated the RAW product for years, since he only defends the brand's top championship once in a blue moon.
As for worst written, Suddenly Racist Triple H vs. Booker T. If you want everything wrong with Triple H's reign of terror, point to that feud.
The Kane/Lita stuff was also just... yeah.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Apr 1, 2018 16:40:20 GMT -5
There's no story in the last few years that shows how out of touch with humanity Vince McMahon is more than the Ziggler/Rusev/Lana feud. Like, nothing else has made me think "this was written by either a caveman or an alien" even a tiny bit as much as that did.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 1, 2018 16:47:24 GMT -5
God, Brock Lesnar's return was fun at first, but when they booked him at the rest of the roster's expense, even though calling him a "part-timer" is being generous, it became horrible. It's stagnated the RAW product for years, since he only defends the brand's top championship once in a blue moon. As for worst written, Suddenly Racist Triple H vs. Booker T. If you want everything wrong with Triple H's reign of terror, point to that feud. The Kane/Lita stuff was also just... yeah. At least the Kane/Lita stuff had the absurdity of Snitsky to fall back on.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 1, 2018 16:57:28 GMT -5
Am I the only one who doesn't have some all time massive problem with HHH/Booker aside from the pseudo racist crap going on in it? As in if you did that feud minus that HHH promo and HHH just retained in order to set up a Goldberg feud...I mean that isn't the worst thing ever. I've never bought Booker as a true top guy. By doing that HHH race baiting promo it basically set up Booker to have a situation where he needed to win, but didn't.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 1, 2018 17:09:18 GMT -5
Am I the only one who doesn't have some all time massive problem with HHH/Booker aside from the pseudo racist crap going on in it? As in if you did that feud minus that HHH promo and HHH just retained in order to set up a Goldberg feud...I mean that isn't the worst thing ever. I've never bought Booker as a true top guy. By doing that HHH race baiting promo it basically set up Booker to have a situation where he needed to win, but didn't. Eh. Even if you discount the racial component (and that's incredibly hard to do), you're still taking Booker at the most over he's over been and spiking his popularity into the dirt. It's similar to how I felt about Naito vs. Okada at WK. It's just incredibly deflating to watch someone choke the big moment away at the peak of their popularity, on the biggest stage of their career.
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Post by MrElijah on Apr 1, 2018 17:11:06 GMT -5
There's no story in the last few years that shows how out of touch with humanity Vince McMahon is more than the Ziggler/Rusev/Lana feud. Like, nothing else has made me think "this was written by either a caveman or an alien" even a tiny bit as much as that did. It's amazing how it ended: Basically Rusev and Lana killed it by getting married. Vince got worked into a shoot.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Apr 1, 2018 17:42:15 GMT -5
More of an angle than a storyline, but that infamous contract signing between Paige and Charlotte with the Reid Flair comments, made worse by how both look visibly uncomfortable throughout the entire segment. Tasteless and super unnecessary.
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Post by bob on Apr 1, 2018 18:48:04 GMT -5
The exploitation of Eddie Guerrero, The Invasion, Katie Vick, The Bella Twins feud that never got a resolution, Taker buries Paul Bearer in concreate and still remains a face, the Higher Power/Corprate Ministry - these are always linked together for me, racist Trips over Booker T, Sid some how being the heel vs Hogan,
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Apr 1, 2018 19:30:26 GMT -5
-Viscera and Lillian Garcia are dating -Charlie Haas knocks Lillian off the apron and Viscera is rightly pissed. -Charlie apologizes but also tries to hit on the woman he knocked out -Viscera is not having that -They both fight, but Lillian says she just wants to be friends with both of them -Vis beats Lillian up on accident, but a few seconds later Viscera and Charlie Haas are bonding over both having assaulted a woman who “friend zoned” them -They then become a tag team who got together because “We could explain it, but we won’t!”
Good old mid 2000s WWE.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Apr 1, 2018 19:37:39 GMT -5
Am I the only one who doesn't have some all time massive problem with HHH/Booker aside from the pseudo racist crap going on in it? As in if you did that feud minus that HHH promo and HHH just retained in order to set up a Goldberg feud...I mean that isn't the worst thing ever. I've never bought Booker as a true top guy. By doing that HHH race baiting promo it basically set up Booker to have a situation where he needed to win, but didn't. If that promo hadn't happened, it probably wouldn't stand out so much as the worst part of the Reign of Terror. Once you depict HHH as being a racist, he has to get his comeuppance. If race hadn't been brought up, Booker T could have just been a face that came up short. After that promo, it becomes "the vile racist got away with being a piece of trash".
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Apr 1, 2018 19:53:33 GMT -5
One of the best-worst examples of this is the end of the InVasion, which was obviously fraught with problems, anyway, but Kurt had become a mole and costs Austin and makes the Alliance lose to save WWE. So, naturally, Kurt is now a heel again and Austin is a face, with literally no justification. It's the closest WWE has ever come to admitting, "This story sucked, sorry fans. Here's a huge-ass reset button." It was shit, amateur writing, but it also was giving fans what they largely wanted, so a lot of fans gave them a pass on it. And the truly insane thing was, Kurt Angle was WHITE HOT not two months prior, winning the belt from Austin in his hometown at Unforgiven, for obvious reasons. And why would Austin, even for one second, think Angle was actually joining his team, when like six weeks prior, Angle comes out and famously rips off the neck brace and stares Austin down with a murderous rage? And why would the Alliance immediately become suspicious of Austin when Vince comes out and says Stone Cold is going to betray them at Survivor Series? And then, later, why in the living hell would Vince be so damned excited to make Jericho the Undisputed Champion when literally three weeks before, Jericho attacked Rock and almost out his company out of business???
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 1, 2018 19:56:45 GMT -5
One of the best-worst examples of this is the end of the InVasion, which was obviously fraught with problems, anyway, but Kurt had become a mole and costs Austin and makes the Alliance lose to save WWE. So, naturally, Kurt is now a heel again and Austin is a face, with literally no justification. It's the closest WWE has ever come to admitting, "This story sucked, sorry fans. Here's a huge-ass reset button." It was shit, amateur writing, but it also was giving fans what they largely wanted, so a lot of fans gave them a pass on it. And the truly insane thing was, Kurt Angle was WHITE HOT not two months prior, winning the belt from Austin in his hometown at Unforgiven, for obvious reasons. And why would Austin, even for one second, think Angle was actually joining his team, when like six weeks prior, Angle comes out and famously rips off the neck brace and stares Austin down with a murderous rage? And why would the Alliance immediately become suspicious of Austin when Vince comes out and says Stone Cold is going to betray them at Survivor Series? And then, later, why in the living hell would Vince be so damned excited to make Jericho the Undisputed Champion when literally three weeks before, Jericho attacked Rock and almost out his company out of business??? Same reason the Alliance is almost never brought up: WWE is content to leave that one in the dustbin of history, and could hardly do it fast enough. All I remember Kurt doing to try to prove his loyalty was tapping Kane out with an ankle lock and them making a huge deal out of it, since obviously Kane isn't a guy known for tapping often.
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Post by Some Guy on Apr 1, 2018 21:35:31 GMT -5
Cole/Lawler I haven't seen mentioned exactly but the feud went on for so long and was so bad in every single way.
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Post by schma on Apr 1, 2018 22:44:48 GMT -5
Ya know, the stalker angle was a great way to introduce a WCW character. I would have had no problem with it. You could have made a star in a hurry with it. But they chose DDP, a guy who was already a star and did his best work as an underdog babyface. So naturally, they make him a cowardly heel. Like why not just set a bunch of money on fire instead of doing all of that? It would have been faster to accomplish and produced the exact same result. I heard that there were plans to do The Rock vs. DDP in a battle of fan-favorite "People's Champions". Why they didn't go with that baffles the mind. I wonder if it was the way DDP greeted Vince with a hug. They even managed to work that into a story with Vince and Austin as a rib. Alternately, it may be that they felt people's champ vs people's champ was too obvious or they didn't want any alliance members coming off as faces? I remember though basically everyone saw DDP and wondered why they didn't do People's Champ vs People's Champ.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 1, 2018 22:47:27 GMT -5
Beaver Cleavage is one of those that's up there, if you consider: A. There wasn't a point B. There wasn't a point C. There wasn't a point
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