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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 25, 2019 16:24:43 GMT -5
Joker worked because Joker is an inherently dark, twisted, and disturbing character, especially since the 80's. I do think building on standalone stories (which is what they seem to be doing now) would've been a better approach than jumping right into the cinematic universe approach. Or they should've followed in the example of their much better executed TV universe, where you establish strong central characters first, then you gradually do crossovers and build up to the big crossover. Like yeah, Flash was introduced in an Arrow episode, then he got his own spinoff series that was largely self-contained to work on building up who Barry and his supporting cast were in Central City because Oliver had his own shit in Star City to worry about. Or Supergirl that not only started off as its own show, but doesn't even take place on the same Earth as the other shows (though maybe that changes post-Crisis). What confuses me to this very day. Why is it that DC animated films have fared so much better than their cinematic ones? "Flashpoint Paradox", "War", "Public Enemeies", "Justice League Dark", "Under The Red Hood", "Gotham Gaslight", and even the Justice League animated series are all accepted as being amazing feats of that specific universe. Why does DC/WB have a hard time following that concept that made the animated films work so brilliantly?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 25, 2019 16:54:30 GMT -5
Joker worked because Joker is an inherently dark, twisted, and disturbing character, especially since the 80's. I do think building on standalone stories (which is what they seem to be doing now) would've been a better approach than jumping right into the cinematic universe approach. Or they should've followed in the example of their much better executed TV universe, where you establish strong central characters first, then you gradually do crossovers and build up to the big crossover. Like yeah, Flash was introduced in an Arrow episode, then he got his own spinoff series that was largely self-contained to work on building up who Barry and his supporting cast were in Central City because Oliver had his own shit in Star City to worry about. Or Supergirl that not only started off as its own show, but doesn't even take place on the same Earth as the other shows (though maybe that changes post-Crisis). What confuses me to this very day. Why is it that DC animated films have fared so much better than their cinematic ones? "Flashpoint Paradox", "War", "Public Enemeies", "Justice League Dark", "Under The Red Hood", "Gotham Gaslight", and even the Justice League animated series are all accepted as being amazing feats of that specific universe. Why does DC/WB have a hard time following that concept that made the animated films work so brilliantly? Because for the most part the people making the DCAU understand the characters, and don't try to make them something that they're not. For live action, they think since Nolan's Batman was a huge success, that approach will work for every single superhero. They think that the darkness was the reason why it was successful, not the fact it was well made, well directed, and had damn good acting. Nolan also gave you small great moments like Zeus throwing away the trigger for the bomb, and not allowing the other boat to be blown up.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 25, 2019 17:41:09 GMT -5
I've said it before, I'll say it again - Snyder's movies didn't suck because they were too dark. You can make excellent dark superhero movies, even from characters like Superman. Snyder's movies sucked because they were bad movies, simple as that.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 25, 2019 19:32:01 GMT -5
I've said it before, I'll say it again - Snyder's movies didn't suck because they were too dark. You can make excellent dark superhero movies, even from characters like Superman. Snyder's movies sucked because they were bad movies, simple as that. Winter Soldier wasn't exactly a happy movie, but it was great, because Cap was still Cap. Everything around him was dark, but he was still the shining beacon of light and hope.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 25, 2019 20:08:17 GMT -5
I've said it before, I'll say it again - Snyder's movies didn't suck because they were too dark. You can make excellent dark superhero movies, even from characters like Superman. Snyder's movies sucked because they were bad movies, simple as that. I mean I loved "Man of Steel", enjoyed "Batman vs. Superman" for what it was, and "Justice League" wasn't horrible either. Snyder should just handle the directorial elements while having a competent screenwriter to handle the character development. Snyder's uncanny ability for visuals combined with a great script would make an amazing film.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 25, 2019 21:28:48 GMT -5
It is worth pointing out that the DCEU is really the exception to the rule for DC adaptations anymore. I think the DC animated stuff and the Arrowverse are all really enjoyable. They're also starting to get there with the movies. Wonder Woman was fantastic, and Shazam and Aquaman were pretty good, too. Wonder Woman 1984 also looks like a lot of fun, too. I'm also very interested in Robert Pattinson's take on Batman (and Zoe Kravitz is excellent casting for Catwoman, at the very least).
I'll just pretend Birds of Prey doesn't exist since it seems to be following in Suicide Squad's teenage edgelord fantasy.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 25, 2019 21:58:11 GMT -5
I'll just pretend Birds of Prey doesn't exist since it seems to be following in Suicide Squad's teenage edgelord fantasy. Ironically, despite it being the last connection to the "Snyderverse" standing, most Snyder fanatics seem to be shitting all over it.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 26, 2019 2:15:38 GMT -5
It is worth pointing out that the DCEU is really the exception to the rule for DC adaptations anymore. I think the DC animated stuff and the Arrowverse are all really enjoyable. They're also starting to get there with the movies. Wonder Woman was fantastic, and Shazam and Aquaman were pretty good, too. Wonder Woman 1984 also looks like a lot of fun, too. I'm also very interested in Robert Pattinson's take on Batman (and Zoe Kravitz is excellent casting for Catwoman, at the very least). I'll just pretend Birds of Prey doesn't exist since it seems to be following in Suicide Squad's teenage edgelord fantasy. I thought it was confirmed that it was doing more of an "unreliable narrator" concept with Birds of Prey?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 31, 2019 2:35:03 GMT -5
So, uh, this is a thing.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 31, 2019 2:42:02 GMT -5
Oh they actually think people in America are going to care about the FA Cup.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 31, 2019 3:15:43 GMT -5
Oh they actually think people in America are going to care about the FA Cup. Especially for Tottenham vs. Middlesbrough. At this point I feel like Warner Bros. are just trolling these fools. Some executive in Burbank is sitting in his office giggling his ass off thinking "What can I get these dumbasses to do next?"
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Post by Cyno on Jan 1, 2020 13:49:47 GMT -5
Oh they actually think people in America are going to care about the FA Cup. Especially for Tottenham vs. Middlesbrough. At this point I feel like Warner Bros. are just trolling these fools. Some executive in Burbank is sitting in his office giggling his ass off thinking "What can I get these dumbasses to do next?" Yeah, if any EPL teams are going to make Americans care about the FA Cup, it's not those two. Liverpool, Man U., Man City, Chelsea, and Arsenal all have pretty decent American followings off the top of my head, though.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 1, 2020 14:45:14 GMT -5
Especially for Tottenham vs. Middlesbrough. At this point I feel like Warner Bros. are just trolling these fools. Some executive in Burbank is sitting in his office giggling his ass off thinking "What can I get these dumbasses to do next?" Yeah, if any EPL teams are going to make Americans care about the FA Cup, it's not those two. Liverpool, Man U., Man City, Chelsea, and Arsenal all have pretty decent American followings off the top of my head, though. Even then, what's the crossover between fans of any of those teams and people who'll give a shit about Snyder's Justice League?
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Post by Cyno on Jan 1, 2020 14:45:43 GMT -5
Yeah, if any EPL teams are going to make Americans care about the FA Cup, it's not those two. Liverpool, Man U., Man City, Chelsea, and Arsenal all have pretty decent American followings off the top of my head, though. Even then, what's the crossover between fans of any of those teams and people who'll give a shit about Snyder's Justice League? Steve in accounting, I guess.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 1, 2020 15:28:18 GMT -5
Even then, what's the crossover between fans of any of those teams and people who'll give a shit about Snyder's Justice League? Steve in accounting, I guess. I speak for accountants, we don't give a f***
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 1, 2020 15:41:53 GMT -5
Especially for Tottenham vs. Middlesbrough. At this point I feel like Warner Bros. are just trolling these fools. Some executive in Burbank is sitting in his office giggling his ass off thinking "What can I get these dumbasses to do next?" Yeah, if any EPL teams are going to make Americans care about the FA Cup, it's not those two. Liverpool, Man U., Man City, Chelsea, and Arsenal all have pretty decent American followings off the top of my head, though. F*** Liverpool
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jan 1, 2020 15:49:08 GMT -5
Yeah, if any EPL teams are going to make Americans care about the FA Cup, it's not those two. Liverpool, Man U., Man City, Chelsea, and Arsenal all have pretty decent American followings off the top of my head, though. F*** Liverpool
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 1, 2020 15:50:36 GMT -5
So we’re not leaving this in the last decade where it belongs, are we?
f*** these Snyder sycophants. I’m glad they’re never going to get what they want. They harassed people just trying to do their jobs. They don’t deserve validation.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 2, 2020 17:31:19 GMT -5
I'll just pretend Birds of Prey doesn't exist since it seems to be following in Suicide Squad's teenage edgelord fantasy. Ironically, despite it being the last connection to the "Snyderverse" standing, most Snyder fanatics seem to be shitting all over it. Gee I wonder what the overlying theme is that would cause Snyder Cu(l)tists to shit all over it...hmmmmmmmm...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 2, 2020 17:39:00 GMT -5
I saw a release the Abramscut trending on twitter... can we not... please...
(though I did see the best response ot that being... Well at least this one exists... and it is in theaters right now ) >_>
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