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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 26, 2018 17:26:09 GMT -5
Basically he learned absolutely nothing from BvS. WB told him to change it from 2 movies to 1 and Snyder basically went ahead and put everything into 1 movie. I'm sure it would've been an absolute f***ing mess. In Snyder's defense what would you have taken out then? If it was me I definitely would've taken out Doomsday and Wonder Woman. Maybe just have Luthor as the main villain and the introduction of him bringing in the Parademons. Other than that I don't know what else could've been taken out. I absolutely would've dropped Doomsday and WW. Would've dropped most of the set up for the greater universe. If you strip it down, there is a good story to tell in BvS, it just got way too bloated trying to cram in the DCEU set up. Batman doesn't trust Superman because of the Battle of Metropolis. Superman doesn't trust Batman because of his violent (but non murdery) brand of justice. Superman goal is to help people, Batman's goal is to hurt criminals. And Lex Luthor manipulates them both into fighting until they figure shit out, and have to take down Luthor and some threat. And, if so desired, at the very end you can do a brief tease of the next movie. That can all neatly be packed in a 120-135 minute movie. EDIT: And Superman doesn't die. Save that card for down the line. Also, Doomsday was so un Doomsday they could basically get away with using the same nameless monster so that Luthor has a physical threat to face The World's Finest. In fact, my sequel to BvS wouldn't have been JL it would be The World's Finest. Do a movie that shows the developing friendship and trust between Batman and Superman as well as Clark and Bruce. And in that movie you can get a little more aggressive in laying ground work for the greater DCEU, maybe do a subplot of Bruce investigating Wonder Woman's appearances over the past 100 years or him becoming aware of Atlantis's existence
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 26, 2018 17:41:19 GMT -5
I'm sure Momoa was exaggerating slightly, but what is known is Snyder was ordered to deliver a tight two-hour movie, and what executives were shown was longer than the extended cut of BVS, which is just over three hours. Basically he learned absolutely nothing from BvS. WB told him to change it from 2 movies to 1 and Snyder basically went ahead and put everything into 1 movie. I'm sure it would've been an absolute f***ing mess. Pretty much. I was guilty of something similar at school. For an assignment I had to write a 7,500 word short story, but got carried away and submitted a 20,000 word novella. My teacher commended the quality of my work, but still gave me an F because I'd failed to produce what was asked for. I was 13, Zack was 50 when Justice League was taken away from him.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 26, 2018 17:46:15 GMT -5
Basically he learned absolutely nothing from BvS. WB told him to change it from 2 movies to 1 and Snyder basically went ahead and put everything into 1 movie. I'm sure it would've been an absolute f***ing mess. Pretty much. I was guilty of something similar at school. For an assignment I had to write a 7,500 word short story, but got carried away and submitted a 20,000 word novella. My teacher commended the quality of my work, but still gave me an F because I'd failed to produce what was asked for. I was 13, Zack was 50 when Justice League was taken away from him. Even tho I didn't care for the movies, I do respect that Snyder had a specific vision and was committed to it. But the dude needs to learn to compromise. Twice he filmed 3+ hour movies, knowing full well that it was gonna get hacked down to 2 hours at great expense to the narrative when he should've taken a good hard look at the script and figure out how to properly scale it down. And I 100% believe he did that out of pure stubbornness
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 26, 2018 18:15:50 GMT -5
Pretty much. I was guilty of something similar at school. For an assignment I had to write a 7,500 word short story, but got carried away and submitted a 20,000 word novella. My teacher commended the quality of my work, but still gave me an F because I'd failed to produce what was asked for. I was 13, Zack was 50 when Justice League was taken away from him. Even tho I didn't care for the movies, I do respect that Snyder had a specific vision and was committed to it. But the dude needs to learn to compromise. Twice he filmed 3+ hour movies, knowing full well that it was gonna get hacked down to 2 hours at great expense to the narrative when he should've taken a good hard look at the script and figure out how to properly scale it down. And I 100% believe he did that out of pure stubbornness Agreed. I think a lot of it is down to him thinking he has more stroke than he really does. Someone like James Cameron can make the rules when he makes movies, especially in regards to runtime, because he's James f***ing Cameron and he's made the two highest-grossing movies of all time and has generated countless billions in profit over the course of his career. Half of Snyder's movies have failed to turn a profit, and that's why he's found he couldn't dictate to Warner Bros. why his vision should be adhered to. He's gone from being the Kevin Feige of the DCEU to being a producer in name only until his contract expires.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 26, 2018 18:16:37 GMT -5
Pretty much. I was guilty of something similar at school. For an assignment I had to write a 7,500 word short story, but got carried away and submitted a 20,000 word novella. My teacher commended the quality of my work, but still gave me an F because I'd failed to produce what was asked for. I was 13, Zack was 50 when Justice League was taken away from him. Even tho I didn't care for the movies, I do respect that Snyder had a specific vision and was committed to it. But the dude needs to learn to compromise. Twice he filmed 3+ hour movies, knowing full well that it was gonna get hacked down to 2 hours at great expense to the narrative when he should've taken a good hard look at the script and figure out how to properly scale it down. And I 100% believe he did that out of pure stubbornness Not only that from with how he's talking he made a 5 hour movie for Batman V superman... and still was missing about another 5 hours worth of movie that doesn't and was never going to exist worth of plot.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 26, 2018 19:24:50 GMT -5
My view is if they want it that bad they'll pay for it. As I said, I am mildly curious about this supposed cut that a lot of fans are ranting and raving about. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing it myself. But at this stage of the game? It's been a year since Justice League was released and I really quite honestly couldn't care about this alleged cut. I am realistic enough to know that WB/DC isn't going to pump more money into a project that was deemed a failure. They keep bringing up the Donner Cut of Superman II as proof that Warner Bros. will soon give in and release the Snyder Cut, ignoring that: - Superman II made huge profits, while even with the profits from home release Justice League is still tens of millions away from breaking even - Warner Bros. ignored fan campaigns for a Donner Cut from the late-'80s onwards - The Donner Cut only exists because six tons of footage fell into Warner Bros. lap when they remastered it for the DVD release, and reasoned that for a little extra expense they could get people to double dip for both versions - The Snyder Cut is, according to Jason Momoa, "intermission-level long" and that severely limits the number of screenings it can have per day - The Snyder Cut petition, which is the only hard data the people holding the purse strings have to go on, only has 189,000 signatures, despite being over a year old, and nobody's giving the green light to a multi-million dollar investment with such limited demand Donner cut came out over 20 years later too & honestly isn't that good or even much different than a curiosity/companion piece.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 26, 2018 20:06:56 GMT -5
They keep bringing up the Donner Cut of Superman II as proof that Warner Bros. will soon give in and release the Snyder Cut, ignoring that: - Superman II made huge profits, while even with the profits from home release Justice League is still tens of millions away from breaking even - Warner Bros. ignored fan campaigns for a Donner Cut from the late-'80s onwards - The Donner Cut only exists because six tons of footage fell into Warner Bros. lap when they remastered it for the DVD release, and reasoned that for a little extra expense they could get people to double dip for both versions - The Snyder Cut is, according to Jason Momoa, "intermission-level long" and that severely limits the number of screenings it can have per day - The Snyder Cut petition, which is the only hard data the people holding the purse strings have to go on, only has 189,000 signatures, despite being over a year old, and nobody's giving the green light to a multi-million dollar investment with such limited demand Donner cut came out over 20 years later too & honestly isn't that good or even much different than a curiosity/companion piece. The only thing I don't like about the Donner cut is re doing the turn back time ending which was probably the weakest part of the first movie. Well, that and unfortunately having to use screentest footage for the Lois finding out Clark's Superman
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 26, 2018 20:40:33 GMT -5
From what I remember the Cher ending (Turn Back Time walks wakka) was always supposed to be II's ending and was only changed to end movie I when Donner left. Don't remember what the first original ending was.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 26, 2018 20:59:33 GMT -5
From what I remember the Cher ending (Turn Back Time walks wakka) was always supposed to be II's ending and was only changed to end movie I when Donner left. Don't remember what the first original ending was. Yeah, I'm fairly certain you're right about that. Unfortunately with them using it in 1, it makes it feel really cheap and lame in 2 Also, VERY well played on the Cher joke
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 27, 2018 23:40:05 GMT -5
"A legal matter." That sure won't convince Warner Bros. that they're a bunch of cranks, not at all.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 28, 2018 0:51:59 GMT -5
what legal matter?
we want to watch a version of a movie that doesn't really exist is not a legal matter. (the effects are most certainly not done he left way earlier in post production... so yeah it doesn't really exist)
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 28, 2018 1:15:37 GMT -5
what legal matter? we want to watch a version of a movie that doesn't really exist is not a legal matter. (the effects are most certainly not done he left way earlier in post production... so yeah it doesn't really exist) Seems to me that if they're already using bait and switch tactics to get through to people, then said people aren't interested in listening to their "positive messages." I'm sure those voicemails are deleted the moment the words "Justice League" or "Snyder Cut" are heard. Starting to remind me of the episode of the Simpsons where Marge writes to the makers of Itchy & Scratchy to complain.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 28, 2018 1:21:47 GMT -5
Maybe the legal matter is WB considering filing a restraining order against these loons.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Oct 28, 2018 4:08:42 GMT -5
From what I remember the Cher ending (Turn Back Time walks wakka) was always supposed to be II's ending and was only changed to end movie I when Donner left. Don't remember what the first original ending was. I have read that Lois dying was not in (really was the only thing he had to go back in time to correct) and he managed to toss the missile into space where its explosion was what freed the Phantom Zoners.
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Post by chrom on Oct 28, 2018 6:54:54 GMT -5
These people seriously need to get laid
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Oct 28, 2018 10:22:28 GMT -5
There was no legal matter and these cranks know it. They were just saying what they thought they needed to in order to get someone on the phone to listen to them for more then ten seconds. From what I remember the Cher ending (Turn Back Time walks wakka) was always supposed to be II's ending and was only changed to end movie I when Donner left. Don't remember what the first original ending was. I always hated the "turn back time" ending from the original movie. It always felt to me like that scene was supposed to be a warning, that no matter how much power Superman might have, he shouldn't be playing god on that level. Him doing so felt like it was setting up a sequel where it comes back to bite him in the ass. Instead it's never followed up on or mentioned again. Superman can do whatever he wants, quite literally, and it will have no real consequences.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 28, 2018 11:06:35 GMT -5
Let that be a lesson to you, WB, never tell fanboys they can't have something because it's expensive to do and there is no audience for it or they'll waste their time being given the runaround by your phone system.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 28, 2018 13:59:58 GMT -5
This would be like WWE fans campaigning to bring back Vince Russo.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 28, 2018 14:33:21 GMT -5
From what I remember the Cher ending (Turn Back Time walks wakka) was always supposed to be II's ending and was only changed to end movie I when Donner left. Don't remember what the first original ending was. I have read that Lois dying was not in (really was the only thing he had to go back in time to correct) and he managed to toss the missile into space where its explosion was what freed the Phantom Zoners. Yeah I seem to remember you're right. Missile hits Phantom Zone rectangle and frees them He Chers to put em back.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 3, 2018 23:21:33 GMT -5
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