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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 9, 2022 10:17:38 GMT -5
I think that's a pretty monstrous assumption to make about a man you know nothing about. And they fire Snyder for an even bigger monster in Whedon? Again I dont even cape for Snyder and I think mocking him for this is really low. I know he weaponized his fans to harass people. I know he ignored his employers wishes when they didnt fit his grand, commercially unsuccessful vision. I know he stole footage when he was fired. Not too big of a leap from there to say he is a narcissist who would use his daughters suicide for sympathy or an excuse. Ask people like Walter Hamada what they think of Snyder. That is not me saying he didnt love her and was devastated by her death. This is not Snyders Ayn Rand world of black/white, good/bad, absolutes. People can be multiple things. Grieving loving father and narcissist egomaniac for instance. As for Whedon only a select group of people knew anything about his monstrous actions. And just as many people, while not denying the accusations or defending him, say he was a wonderful friend and boss to them. Again people can be more than one thing. And he was coming off two of the most successful movies ever. But even he couldnt rehab that turd. Thats still really messed up to insinuate he used his daughters suicide to help finish this movie. When people were using his daughters suicide as a punchline because they hated his films. Also Whedon being a monster was a known secret, its been out there for decades, just like Bryan Singer and his issues. You can't just say that nobody knew, thats just a load of bull****
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 9, 2022 11:32:36 GMT -5
I know he weaponized his fans to harass people. I know he ignored his employers wishes when they didnt fit his grand, commercially unsuccessful vision. I know he stole footage when he was fired. Not too big of a leap from there to say he is a narcissist who would use his daughters suicide for sympathy or an excuse. Ask people like Walter Hamada what they think of Snyder. That is not me saying he didnt love her and was devastated by her death. This is not Snyders Ayn Rand world of black/white, good/bad, absolutes. People can be multiple things. Grieving loving father and narcissist egomaniac for instance. As for Whedon only a select group of people knew anything about his monstrous actions. And just as many people, while not denying the accusations or defending him, say he was a wonderful friend and boss to them. Again people can be more than one thing. And he was coming off two of the most successful movies ever. But even he couldnt rehab that turd. Thats still really messed up to insinuate he used his daughters suicide to help finish this movie. When people were using his daughters suicide as a punchline because they hated his films. Also Whedon being a monster was a known secret, its been out there for decades, just like Bryan Singer and his issues. You can't just say that nobody knew, thats just a load of bull**** I never said he used his daughters suicide to finish his movie. I said he used it as an excuse for leaving the film when he was actually fired. And people using the suicide to attack him are wrong. But he is using her for sympathy and attention now. Look at the tweet. Nothing really about her. Just how she would have loved his shitty movie and be proud of him for making it. Textbook all about me narcissist bullshit. It would be like me posting a picture of my garden and saying boy my dead brother (who committed suicide BTW) would be so proud of me for accomplishing this. Point me to some articles about Whedons actions pre Justice League. First I ever read was his ex wifes letter. Which portrayed him badly but nothing like what we later learned post JL from Carpenter and the like.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 9, 2022 11:41:20 GMT -5
Thats still really messed up to insinuate he used his daughters suicide to help finish this movie. When people were using his daughters suicide as a punchline because they hated his films. Also Whedon being a monster was a known secret, its been out there for decades, just like Bryan Singer and his issues. You can't just say that nobody knew, thats just a load of bull**** I never said he used his daughters suicide to finish his movie. I said he used it as an excuse for leaving the film when he was actually fired. And people using the suicide to attack him are wrong. But he is using her for sympathy and attention now. Look at the tweet. Nothing really about her. Just how she would have loved his shitty movie and be proud of him for making it. Textbook all about me narcissist bullshit. It would be like me posting a picture of my garden and saying boy my dead brother (who committed suicide BTW) would be so proud of me for accomplishing this. Point me to some articles about Whedons actions pre Justice League. First I ever read was his ex wifes letter. Which portrayed him badly but nothing like what we later learned post JL from Carpenter and the like. I think you either just hate the guy or have it out for him but this armchair psychology stuff you're spouting is very harmful to a guy I absolutely detest. We don't know whats going on in his mind and to say something that incdeinary is ****ed up IMO. Especially since its HIS dead daughter. If she was alive and well I'd be fine with what you're trying to point out. But she ended her life for who knows why and he'll have to live with that. You can bag on him for other things but this going too far. Also I'll look up the Whedon allegations its been there since he made it big with the Avengers but it'll be hard to find articles from that time.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 9, 2022 11:56:15 GMT -5
I never said he used his daughters suicide to finish his movie. I said he used it as an excuse for leaving the film when he was actually fired. And people using the suicide to attack him are wrong. But he is using her for sympathy and attention now. Look at the tweet. Nothing really about her. Just how she would have loved his shitty movie and be proud of him for making it. Textbook all about me narcissist bullshit. It would be like me posting a picture of my garden and saying boy my dead brother (who committed suicide BTW) would be so proud of me for accomplishing this. Point me to some articles about Whedons actions pre Justice League. First I ever read was his ex wifes letter. Which portrayed him badly but nothing like what we later learned post JL from Carpenter and the like. I think you either just hate the guy or have it out for him but this armchair psychology stuff you're spouting is very harmful to a guy I absolutely detest. We don't know whats going on in his mind and to say something that incdeinary is ****ed up IMO. Especially since its HIS dead daughter. If she was alive and well I'd be fine with what you're trying to point out. But she ended her life for who knows why and he'll have to live with that. You can bag on him for other things but this going too far. Also I'll look up the Whedon allegations its been there since he made it big with the Avengers but it'll be hard to find articles from that time. I dont know what is in his mind either. And again I never said he didnt love or grieve for his daughter. I am sure he did. I dont believe he is an inhuman monster. But here are the facts. He claimed he left JL because of his daughter. Lie, he was fired. He used his daughter as an excuse to save face. He weaponized his fans on twitter to harass people at Warner. He stole footage from Warner and held it hostage. All I judge are is actions and public persona which are that of an entitled narcissist. The man has a lot of supporters who call him very friendly and great to work with. Again people have layers. And nothing I say here is harmful to Snyder in any way. Like I said in the conspiracy theories thread about the Macho Man Steph rumor. May be a big deal to wrestling fans on the internet, means absolutely nothing to the real world.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 9, 2022 12:00:54 GMT -5
I think you either just hate the guy or have it out for him but this armchair psychology stuff you're spouting is very harmful to a guy I absolutely detest. We don't know whats going on in his mind and to say something that incdeinary is ****ed up IMO. Especially since its HIS dead daughter. If she was alive and well I'd be fine with what you're trying to point out. But she ended her life for who knows why and he'll have to live with that. You can bag on him for other things but this going too far. Also I'll look up the Whedon allegations its been there since he made it big with the Avengers but it'll be hard to find articles from that time. I dont know what is in his mind either. And again I never said he didnt love or grieve for his daughter. I am sure he did. I dont believe he is an inhuman monster. But here are the facts. He claimed he left JL because of his daughter. Lie, he was fired. He used his daughter as an excuse to save face. He weaponized his fans on twitter to harass people at Warner. He stole footage from Warner and held it hostage. All I judge are is actions and public persona which are that of an entitled narcissist. The man has a lot of supporters who call him very friendly and great to work with. Again people have layers. And nothing I say here is harmful to Snyder in any way. Like I said in the conspiracy theories thread about the Macho Man Steph rumor. May be a big deal to wrestling fans on the internet, means absolutely nothing to the real world. What you're implying is very harmful. Do you not see that? You can dunk on him for the other things because you're right but the jab about him and his daughter is really low and not called for.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 9, 2022 12:33:03 GMT -5
Whedon had a reputation of being an asshole and kind of a fraud as a self-proclaimed feminist with his movies and shows having some harmful, sexist tropes. But nothing about his outright abuse was really known as even a "open secret" rumor until Charisma Carpenter came forward.
In hindsight, it's easy to connect the dots. But that's why it's hindsight.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 9, 2022 14:31:36 GMT -5
I dont know what is in his mind either. And again I never said he didnt love or grieve for his daughter. I am sure he did. I dont believe he is an inhuman monster. But here are the facts. He claimed he left JL because of his daughter. Lie, he was fired. He used his daughter as an excuse to save face. He weaponized his fans on twitter to harass people at Warner. He stole footage from Warner and held it hostage. All I judge are is actions and public persona which are that of an entitled narcissist. The man has a lot of supporters who call him very friendly and great to work with. Again people have layers. And nothing I say here is harmful to Snyder in any way. Like I said in the conspiracy theories thread about the Macho Man Steph rumor. May be a big deal to wrestling fans on the internet, means absolutely nothing to the real world. What you're implying is very harmful. Do you not see that? You can dunk on him for the other things because you're right but the jab about him and his daughter is really low and not called for. Harmful to who? And he used his daughters death as a cover for being fired. He is using his daughters memory in that tweet to rile up the cult again. So maybe they will bully this new regime into not wiping his verse out for something good. Snyder is the piece of garbage here. He may be a friendly guy, a loving father, a great husband. But his public persona is an entitled, narcissistic jerk who encourages harassment, bullying, and toxicity.
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Dec 9, 2022 14:53:28 GMT -5
and you can both drop it going forward.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 15, 2022 4:04:40 GMT -5
Oh, Zack, I think that ship has sailed.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 15, 2022 4:07:14 GMT -5
Oh, Zack, I think that ship has sailed. Zack, buddy, they literally just fired your Superman. It’s over.
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Post by Ryushinku on Dec 15, 2022 4:17:47 GMT -5
Commentator voice - "It was never."
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 15, 2022 4:58:01 GMT -5
well if those are the only options, i'll take "never"
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 15, 2022 5:21:53 GMT -5
Commentator voice - "It was never." Narrator: "Coming up, was it really 'never"?" "...yes. It was." "OR WAS IT?!"
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 15, 2022 8:34:00 GMT -5
Oh, Zack, I think that ship has sailed. "Now or Never"? I accept those terms!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 15, 2022 14:26:56 GMT -5
This is why I never believe those "Zack's such a nice guy" posts I see from people...
Dude knows these people are toxic, he's talked about and encouraged some of their worst behaviors... and riles them up constantly with shit like this.
It's done.
Everyone knows it's over.
Even the more sane Snyder fans know it's over... the only ones left are Zack and the Cultists...
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 19, 2022 19:44:02 GMT -5
Look who decided to crawl out from under his rock.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 19, 2022 19:49:37 GMT -5
Look who decided to crawl out from under his rock.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 19, 2022 20:08:30 GMT -5
Wonder if Fisher will have the humility to apologise after he sees this:
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Dec 19, 2022 20:21:51 GMT -5
Look who decided to crawl out from under his rock. what no E<A>M<W>12>!* that he spent what three years adding to every tweet he made? wonder why he waited until after it's pretty much been confirmed the snyderverse is dead and buried and dc live action movies are going into a full reboot going forward, couldn't be he was told "we still won't have a job for you in this new continuity." could it?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 19, 2022 20:33:28 GMT -5
wonder why he waited until after it's pretty much been confirmed the snyderverse is dead and buried and dc live action movies are going into a full reboot going forward, couldn't be he was told "we still won't have a job for you in this new continuity." could it? The Snyder Cult is all Fisher has left at this point. Just look at the engagement between his Snyder tweets, which get hundreds of replies and thousands of likes and retweets, and non-Snyder tweets, which get about 10% of those numbers. Nobody gives a shit about Ray Fisher outside of the perpetually online band of trolls that follow Snyder, and even they only care about him and his "A>E" crusade as long as it furthers Snyder's agenda.
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