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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 17, 2023 19:48:52 GMT -5
Affleck talks about how the JL reshoots were miserable and one of the primary reasons he started drinking again and realised he didn't want to do capeshit any more, and Fisher crawls out from under his rock and implicates that somehow James Gunn and Peter Safran, who had no ties to that production whatsoever, bear responsibility for it.
At some point I can even see Snyder not wanting this guy dragging him down with him, because oh boy does Ray Fisher seem utterly hellbent on completely destroying his career (and blaming it all on anybody who has ever not publicly shamed Joss Whedon).
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 17, 2023 19:51:04 GMT -5
Had that poor bastard made anything since? At least Snyder has churned a couple things out since then Bright, The Tax Collector, and he's just wrapped filming on a Jason Statham movie called The Beekeeper. Ah well good for him then haha. Fisher is embarrassing.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 17, 2023 22:03:27 GMT -5
Well, a new DC movie is out, so it's time once more for Ray Fisher to aggressively complain about how no one is paying attention to him again.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 17, 2023 22:56:36 GMT -5
Mr.Fisher still owes James Gunn an apology. Everything he says or thinks is irrelevant until such a time that he does so.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Mar 17, 2023 23:06:59 GMT -5
Mr.Fisher still owes James Gunn an apology. Everything he says or thinks is irrelevant until such a time that he does so. hey, come on now. you know the rule. "A>E for thee but not for me"
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 17, 2023 23:53:16 GMT -5
the Current DC Films executive... so he's now (continuing?) to blame Gunn (and Safran)?
first off Dude... move the f*** on. Whedon's been tossed and has basically done nothing since Justice League.
You keep claiming Hamada did something when the investigation YOU ASKED FOR... came back and said he wasn't responsible...
not to mention you keep using that A>E stuff while ignoring the multiple abusers that Zack employed and continues to employ...
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 18, 2023 9:33:43 GMT -5
the Current DC Films executive... so he's now (continuing?) to blame Gunn (and Safran)? first off Dude... move the f*** on. Whedon's been tossed and has basically done nothing since Justice League. You keep claiming Hamada did something when the investigation YOU ASKED FOR... came back and said he wasn't responsible... not to mention you keep using that A>E stuff while ignoring the multiple abusers that Zack employed and continues to employ... It's almost like Ray Fisher is a disingenuous grifter who isn't a talented enough actor and is grasping at straws to maintain some kind of delusional relevancy on Twitter to feed his undeserved ego. ... Yeah, I took Psych 101, why do you ask?
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 18, 2023 13:36:36 GMT -5
Maybe I'm missing something, but how is Fisher blaming Gunn and Safran for the Whedon stuff?
"The former, and current, DC Films executives that protected and supported Joss Whedon are not fit for leadership."
That's not blaming the current executives. That's blaming the executives that were with DC during the Whedon mess and are still there. The guys that were part of the investigation Fisher doesn't agree with. Past tense on protected and supported.
There are a million things to poke at Fisher over. He managed to embarrass himself pretty nicely with that mess about Gunn's tweets being deleted not that long ago. We really don't need to put words in his mouth.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 18, 2023 13:46:24 GMT -5
"Current DC Films executives" is pretty cut and dry. Like he is seriously implying Gunn and Safran because they're the public faces of DC Films, especially Gunn. And everyone replying to him thinks he means Gunn and Safran. If he didn't mean them, he should clarify because it's not like he's exactly been shy about directly naming people before. But he won't, because he knows what he's doing to rile up the base. And he's talking in present tense, which is a weird thing to say if he's talking only about former DC Films execs. As they're no longer with DC films. His scapegoats like Hamada are no longer with the company.
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Post by DSR on Mar 18, 2023 14:08:21 GMT -5
Fisher also called out Gunn for liking/retweeting/whatevering tweets that were supportive of Whedon while he was being accused of things. And, as far as I know, when Gunn came out and said that he was wrong for liking/retweeting those things, Fisher had no response and continued on his way until Gunn's tweets apologizing were deleted. Gunn's account is automatically set up to delete stuff after a set amount of time, but Fisher went after him about it.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 18, 2023 14:52:09 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 18, 2023 15:20:07 GMT -5
Fisher also called out Gunn for liking/retweeting/whatevering tweets that were supportive of Whedon while he was being accused of things. And, as far as I know, when Gunn came out and said that he was wrong for liking/retweeting those things, Fisher had no response and continued on his way until Gunn's tweets apologizing were deleted. Gunn's account is automatically set up to delete stuff after a set amount of time, but Fisher went after him about it. and gee I wonder why Gunn autodeletes posts older than like 3 months...
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 18, 2023 16:49:35 GMT -5
Fisher is like a jilted lover at this point, he thought being Zack Snyder's lifeless version of Cyborg would be his ticket to the big leagues and is blaming everyone else for that not coming to pass. Had things not come to pass with Whedon taking over after ZS Justice league was deemed to be an unwatchable slog, he'd still be a secondary player in a massive bomb and entirely dependant on a Flash movie featuring an out of his mind Ezra Miller to keep his hopes of a solo movie alive.
At this point I fully expect him to turn up and start belting out 'You oughta know' at the premiere of the first Gunn era DC movie.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Mar 18, 2023 22:00:19 GMT -5
My thing with these Snyder movies and Snyder cult people is that…look…Superhero movies aren’t supposed to be high art anyway. That’s what I like about them. They’re supposed to be fun, have some good action and get to see characters I read in comic books brought to life. Snyder manages to destroy all the fun and then these people think it’s art. It’s shit. It’s the actually equivalent of going to a museum and seeing the paintings and at the end of the line a hobo has just smeared shit on the wall and that’s the one they think is a masterpiece. Except…it’s worse somehow. It’s like they went to an arcade and passed by all the games because someone smeared shit on the wall and they think it’s a masterpiece. They not only don’t understand that they’re looking at shit…they don’t even know they aren’t at a museum. This is probably Nolan’s fault. Dark Knight was too good and it broke DC’s brains for the last FIFTEEN years trying to make everything recapture it. That, friends, is the true cost of hanging a masterpiece in an arcade. It’s like teaching a dog to create fire. They can’t process it and now we’re all in trouble. I mostly agree here but I will say, superhero movies can be high art. Logan is high art, I feel.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 18, 2023 22:10:29 GMT -5
The funny thing is, I feel like under current DC Dark Knight never could have been made anyway because after Batman Begins barely turned a profit and made like a third as much money for them that year as Goblet of Fire did they would have panicked and demanded the sequel have Superman and Wonder Woman in it.
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Post by ace on Mar 18, 2023 22:12:32 GMT -5
My thing with these Snyder movies and Snyder cult people is that…look…Superhero movies aren’t supposed to be high art anyway. That’s what I like about them. They’re supposed to be fun, have some good action and get to see characters I read in comic books brought to life. Snyder manages to destroy all the fun and then these people think it’s art. It’s shit. It’s the actually equivalent of going to a museum and seeing the paintings and at the end of the line a hobo has just smeared shit on the wall and that’s the one they think is a masterpiece. Except…it’s worse somehow. It’s like they went to an arcade and passed by all the games because someone smeared shit on the wall and they think it’s a masterpiece. They not only don’t understand that they’re looking at shit…they don’t even know they aren’t at a museum. This is probably Nolan’s fault. Dark Knight was too good and it broke DC’s brains for the last FIFTEEN years trying to make everything recapture it. That, friends, is the true cost of hanging a masterpiece in an arcade. It’s like teaching a dog to create fire. They can’t process it and now we’re all in trouble. I mostly agree here but I will say, superhero movies can be high art. Logan is high art, I feel. Maybe I should ammend it. What I mean is they don’t have to be to be beloved and enjoyed. They certainly can be. But Snyder is making neither and his cult is pretending it’s both.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Mar 19, 2023 0:45:35 GMT -5
The funny thing is, I feel like under current DC Dark Knight never could have been made anyway because after Batman Begins barely turned a profit and made like a third as much money for them that year as Goblet of Fire did they would have panicked and demanded the sequel have Superman and Wonder Woman in it. Batman Begins made over twice its budget back in the box office. It was also the ninth highest grossing film of 2005, and the second highest grossing Batman film. I'd say it did more than barely turned a profit. Although you're absolutely right that Goblet Of Fire blew it out of the water. That one came close to the billion dollar mark.
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Post by grunt on Mar 19, 2023 14:21:31 GMT -5
The funny thing is, I feel like under current DC Dark Knight never could have been made anyway because after Batman Begins barely turned a profit and made like a third as much money for them that year as Goblet of Fire did they would have panicked and demanded the sequel have Superman and Wonder Woman in it. Batman Begins made over twice its budget back in the box office. It was also the ninth highest grossing film of 2005, and the second highest grossing Batman film. I'd say it did more than barely turned a profit. Nah, he's not wrong : 373 M$ (technically, 371 M$ before the 2012 rerelease) over a 150M budget is barely turning a profit (the basic Hollywood accounting math is 2.5 times the budget to turn a profit). That said, it clearly made up for this in home video sales.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 19, 2023 15:16:44 GMT -5
Batman Begins made over twice its budget back in the box office. It was also the ninth highest grossing film of 2005, and the second highest grossing Batman film. I'd say it did more than barely turned a profit. Nah, he's not wrong : 373 M$ (technically, 371 M$ before the 2012 rerelease) over a 150M budget is barely turning a profit (the basic Hollywood accounting math is 2.5 times the budget to turn a profit). That said, it clearly made up for this in home video sales. True. DVDs were big and home video could still turn a disappointment into a win back then. But dont forget that they were still feeling the sting from Batman and Robin. Even if Begins didnt turn a huge profit a Batman film that got great reviews and fan reaction was a big success for them.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 19, 2023 22:17:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure if the additional costs for big movies were as bloated when Batman Begins came out compared to nowadays.
But yeah, even if it was the same bloat, any less-than-stellar net at the box office were more than made up for with home video sales. And then Dark Knight was a legit billion dollar movie while its budget was only $35 million more than Begins.
TDKR was also a billion dollar hit, but it had a much higher budget than either previous movie.
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