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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 19, 2024 1:41:23 GMT -5
that scene was not controversial... even in the loosest sense of the word.
People got what you were going for Zack... it was just stupid.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 19, 2024 5:50:08 GMT -5
That scene would have been so much more effective if he'd said "save my mom".
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Post by thechase on Apr 19, 2024 8:48:56 GMT -5
I think Zack's boy Dave 'The Film Junkee' may have closed his YT channel
Edit-nope, he didn't shut it down of his own accord, YT have been clamping down on a lot of channels for 'guideline violations' and his was caught up in it.
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Post by chrom on Apr 19, 2024 9:18:54 GMT -5
If by controversial you mean mocked then yes
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 19, 2024 23:45:02 GMT -5
Seriously why on earth is Clark suddenly referring to his mom by name? You could at least have him say, "Save Martha Kent."
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Post by ace on Apr 20, 2024 0:30:03 GMT -5
The Snyder cult is spending their weekend talking about how people are only badmouthing his latest terrible movie because they’re just haters and nothing more. And then resuming their time shitting on James Gunn’s DCU with zero self awareness.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 20, 2024 7:46:23 GMT -5
Seriously why on earth is Clark suddenly referring to his mom by name? You could at least have him say, "Save Martha Kent." that whole scene would have been so much more powerful if he said "save my mom". it would sidestep the weirdness of Superman suddenly referring to his mother by her first name for no reason. more importantly, it would have much better conveyed to Batman the idea that Superman is as human as he is, which was the whole point of the scene. as is he's screaming the name of a woman completely devoid of any context Batman could actually understand beyond "Hey my mom's name was Martha". the fact that Batman and Superman's mothers have the first name may be a funny little piece of movie trivia, but thats also really all it is, and shouldnt really have any meaning beyond being a funny coincidence.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 20, 2024 8:43:51 GMT -5
that whole scene would have been so much more powerful if he said "save my mom". it would sidestep the weirdness of Superman suddenly referring to his mother by her first name for no reason. more importantly, it would have much better conveyed to Batman the idea that Superman is as human as he is, which was the whole point of the scene. as is he's screaming the name of a woman completely devoid of any context Batman could actually understand beyond "Hey my mom's name was Martha". the fact that Batman and Superman's mothers have the first name may be a funny little piece of movie trivia, but thats also really all it is, and shouldnt really have any meaning beyond being a funny coincidence. Eight years on and I'm still amazed at the Cirque du Soleil-like levels of mental gymnastics Snyder and his fanbase go to try to convince the world that the "Martha" scene is some sort of amazing multi-layered piece of writing. The irony that one of the guys acting out the scene has an Academy Award for writing just makes it even funnier.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 20, 2024 11:11:50 GMT -5
Seriously why on earth is Clark suddenly referring to his mom by name? You could at least have him say, "Save Martha Kent." that whole scene would have been so much more powerful if he said "save my mom". it would sidestep the weirdness of Superman suddenly referring to his mother by her first name for no reason. more importantly, it would have much better conveyed to Batman the idea that Superman is as human as he is, which was the whole point of the scene. as is he's screaming the name of a woman completely devoid of any context Batman could actually understand beyond "Hey my mom's name was Martha". the fact that Batman and Superman's mothers have the first name may be a funny little piece of movie trivia, but thats also really all it is, and shouldnt really have any meaning beyond being a funny coincidence. what's really funny is Batman the Brave and the Bold did it first AS A JOKE. In Battle of the Superheroes, Superman gets hit with Red Kryptonite and goes full superdickery... one of the things Batman says in the fight is something like Superman we're friends our mother's have the same name! that episode came out like 5 years before BVS.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Apr 20, 2024 12:10:04 GMT -5
that whole scene would have been so much more powerful if he said "save my mom". it would sidestep the weirdness of Superman suddenly referring to his mother by her first name for no reason. more importantly, it would have much better conveyed to Batman the idea that Superman is as human as he is, which was the whole point of the scene. as is he's screaming the name of a woman completely devoid of any context Batman could actually understand beyond "Hey my mom's name was Martha". the fact that Batman and Superman's mothers have the first name may be a funny little piece of movie trivia, but thats also really all it is, and shouldnt really have any meaning beyond being a funny coincidence. Eight years on and I'm still amazed at the Cirque du Soleil-like levels of mental gymnastics Snyder and his fanbase go to try to convince the world that the "Martha" scene is some sort of amazing multi-layered piece of writing. The irony that one of the guys acting out the scene has an Academy Award for writing just makes it even funnier. Are they more or less than the gymnastics required to force Batman and Superman to fight in that movie? A fight that could have been avoided if Superman had finished his sentence to Batman explaining Lex Luthor before just deciding to pummel him silently.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 20, 2024 12:41:36 GMT -5
Eight years on and I'm still amazed at the Cirque du Soleil-like levels of mental gymnastics Snyder and his fanbase go to try to convince the world that the "Martha" scene is some sort of amazing multi-layered piece of writing. The irony that one of the guys acting out the scene has an Academy Award for writing just makes it even funnier. Are they more or less than the gymnastics required to force Batman and Superman to fight in that movie? A fight that could have been avoided if Superman had finished his sentence to Batman explaining Lex Luthor before just deciding to pummel him silently. Also gotta love Superman's unnecessary self sacrifice... if only there was someone else that was super strong and could fly that isn't affected by kryptonite near by... IF ONLY! Wonder Woman stands immediately next to him not paying attention...
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 20, 2024 12:43:55 GMT -5
Eight years on and I'm still amazed at the Cirque du Soleil-like levels of mental gymnastics Snyder and his fanbase go to try to convince the world that the "Martha" scene is some sort of amazing multi-layered piece of writing. The irony that one of the guys acting out the scene has an Academy Award for writing just makes it even funnier. Are they more or less than the gymnastics required to force Batman and Superman to fight in that movie? A fight that could have been avoided if Superman had finished his sentence to Batman explaining Lex Luthor before just deciding to pummel him silently. A fight that only happens because Batman is written as an unreasoning maniac who decides to kill the guy whose the only reason Metropolis isn't a smoking crater because he couldn't save everyone from the army of alien soldiers destroying it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 20, 2024 13:21:47 GMT -5
Are they more or less than the gymnastics required to force Batman and Superman to fight in that movie? A fight that could have been avoided if Superman had finished his sentence to Batman explaining Lex Luthor before just deciding to pummel him silently. A fight that only happens because Batman is written as an unreasoning maniac who decides to kill the guy whose the only reason Metropolis isn't a smoking crater because he couldn't save everyone from the army of alien soldiers destroying it. I mean Superman didn't really try very hard to minimize damage... >_> But I guess the movie can't decide if Metropolis likes or hates Superman either so...
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 20, 2024 13:46:06 GMT -5
A fight that only happens because Batman is written as an unreasoning maniac who decides to kill the guy whose the only reason Metropolis isn't a smoking crater because he couldn't save everyone from the army of alien soldiers destroying it. I mean Superman didn't really try very hard to minimize damage... >_> But I guess the movie can't decide if Metropolis likes or hates Superman either so... I'm half convinced Zack Snyder didn't want to even do DC characters. His movies play more like shitty adaptations of The Authority that miss the point that the massive destruction was supposed to be a bad thing.
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Post by chrom on Apr 20, 2024 13:57:46 GMT -5
I mean Superman didn't really try very hard to minimize damage... >_> But I guess the movie can't decide if Metropolis likes or hates Superman either so... I'm half convinced Zack Snyder didn't want to even do DC characters. His movies play more like shitty adaptations of The Authority that miss the point that the massive destruction was supposed to be a bad thing. He's gone and said that he hates comic books like Superman and Captain America. That the only thing he looks for in comics are sex and violence in them. I think DC picked him because he was the lowest bidder.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 20, 2024 14:13:56 GMT -5
I think DC picked him because he was the lowest bidder. He was at least the third choice for Man of Steel, and probably even lower down the pecking order. Guillermo del Toro and Robert Zemeckis both turned down offers to direct. Ben Affleck, Darren Aronofsky, Tony Scott, and Matt Reeves were all spoken to before Snyder entered the picture. I have little doubt any of them would have done better.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 20, 2024 14:15:23 GMT -5
It is pretty clear that Netflix has lost all faith in him and he knows it, so I'm guessing his future's going to either be stuff with much lower budgets or TV work.
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Apr 20, 2024 14:44:57 GMT -5
I'm half convinced Zack Snyder didn't want to even do DC characters. His movies play more like shitty adaptations of The Authority that miss the point that the massive destruction was supposed to be a bad thing. He's gone and said that he hates comic books like Superman and Captain America. That the only thing he looks for in comics are sex and violence in them. I think DC picked him because he was the lowest bidder. they wanted his visual style for their movies and that is one thing he is good at is how he presents the movies visually, he just gets the urge to make large chunks of them slow motion or tries to insist on doing a black and white version and a darker grittier edgier directors cut.
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Post by Ryushinku on Apr 20, 2024 15:46:18 GMT -5
Eight years on and I'm still amazed at the Cirque du Soleil-like levels of mental gymnastics Snyder and his fanbase go to try to convince the world that the "Martha" scene is some sort of amazing multi-layered piece of writing. The irony that one of the guys acting out the scene has an Academy Award for writing just makes it even funnier. Are they more or less than the gymnastics required to force Batman and Superman to fight in that movie? A fight that could have been avoided if Superman had finished his sentence to Batman explaining Lex Luthor before just deciding to pummel him silently. I don't know what you're talking about, I've always found the best way to calm down an obviously angry man is to say his name threateningly and stomp menacingly towards him without explaining further.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 20, 2024 15:59:50 GMT -5
It is pretty clear that Netflix has lost all faith in him and he knows it, so I'm guessing his future's going to either be stuff with much lower budgets or TV work. With how little Rebel Moon 2 was promoted yeah...
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