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Post by Shai on Jun 15, 2018 19:39:37 GMT -5
I cannot facepalm any harder at this man. He refuses to admit that he blew it. That he's the one who made so every DC movie for probably the next decade is gonna have to get past the stigma that he created with that clusterf*** of a movie.
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Post by Juice on Jun 15, 2018 21:47:53 GMT -5
Was Bvs perfect? No. Did,I like it a lot? Yeo. Do I still like Snyder? Yep.
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Post by Shai on Jun 15, 2018 21:59:07 GMT -5
Was Bvs perfect? No. Did,I like it a lot? Yeo. Do I still like Snyder? Yep. I always use the word clusterf*** because I think it would have been a much better movie had he not shoved the Death of Superman in there. The Batman vs Superman aspect made a ton of sense to me. I didn't think Doomsday was necessary.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jun 15, 2018 22:58:49 GMT -5
Was Bvs perfect? No. Did,I like it a lot? Yeo. Do I still like Snyder? Yep. Yeah, I think we've just become too spoiled with the Marvel movies. Was BvS flawed? Sure it was, but it wasn't as terrible as people make it out to be. Shit, I'd watch BvS any day of the week vs. the Schumacher Batmans and Superman IV (or III for that matter).
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 16, 2018 3:57:18 GMT -5
It's not at all unfair though. There is good in the flick, and I like Snyder more than I don't. It's a damn mess though. But that corpse has been picked clean a long time ago.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 16, 2018 7:49:01 GMT -5
I don't think it's unfair to say it's one of the worst superhero movies I've ever seen. I'll even say it's worse than Batman and Robin. BvS isn't a real movie, it's just the afterbirth of one.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 16, 2018 8:43:09 GMT -5
I have and will rewatch the Schumacher movies way more. They are ten times more fun
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Post by Juice on Jun 16, 2018 8:43:12 GMT -5
It seems pretty documented that WB runs a lot of interference.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jun 16, 2018 8:49:56 GMT -5
It is so Goddamn frustrating to be a DC fan. The DCEU could have...and should have...been just as big as the MCU. But they just can't get out of their own way. I've enjoyed the movies, despite their flaws, but so many mistakes and terrible decisions have been made that I just don't see it working out. I want to see them succeed, because I love the characters, and the actors playing them, but I'm pretty sure that my faith is misplaced.
Oh well, maybe Aquaman will be decent. Maybe Geoff Johns will write a good script for GL Corps.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 16, 2018 9:00:41 GMT -5
It's not at all unfair though. There is good in the flick, and I like Snyder more than I don't. It's a damn mess though. But that corpse has been picked clean a long time ago. Right; it's a personal taste thing, of course, but a big problem with BvS is that it does have some alright ideas in it and some ambition behind it...which makes it sting all the worse when the final product is a garbled mess that runs for around two and a half hours. If it had just been straight schlock, like the Schumaker films, then there'd be some fun to pick out of it and it wouldn't have had such a long run time. Obviously everybody would prefer a straight up good movie, but when a film is trying to do something and just failing at it it's a really bad feeling to sit through; at least schlock can be more easily laughed at.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jun 16, 2018 9:10:49 GMT -5
Zack never deserved his shot at DC. I can agree, but after a somewhat muted response to Man of Steel he sure as hell didn't deserve a second or third chance.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 16, 2018 9:22:39 GMT -5
At the very least, and it may have been by total luck, but DC really did at least hit a home run with the Gadot-Jenkins combo for Wonder Woman. That movie (hopefully movies) is just really good. Part of that may be that it's a bit separated since they're period pieces, but they are one thing that DC stumbled on that is totally right. So much so in fact that Gal is head and shoulders the MVP of the franchise so far and the best part of what she's appeared in. No matter what, she's got to be your cornerstone goin forward, unless you're just an idiot.
So it may be 50-50 if they do
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jun 16, 2018 10:58:52 GMT -5
You know what this reminds me of?
Remember about a year after 'Fant4stic' came out, and the director revealed that the studio messed with his script... only to then reveal that his original idea for the movie was almost worse than what we got, and that the movie was screwed either way?
That's how I feel about BvS and Zack Snyder. Everything that Snyder has said since the movie came out indicates to me that the movie was never going to be better than what we got, because Snyder doesn't know what he's doing with this property.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 16, 2018 15:10:57 GMT -5
I have and will rewatch the Schumacher movies way more. They are ten times more fun Batman and Robin is awful, but with the exception of Wonder Woman, Batman Forever pisses over every single DCEU movie from a considerable distance.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jun 16, 2018 21:11:05 GMT -5
For as much crap as Snyder gets for these movies, David Goyer honestly should get way more for his involvement in them too. Dude got mad lucky being tied to the Nolan series and managed to convince a lot of people he was some genius or an equal part of the vision those movies saw when he's since been shown to be the dude he was prior to the Nolan movies, a hack. Worse yet, he's a hack that openly disrespects and mocks comic books & their fans, and thinks every tweak he makes to any existing comic book idea instantly makes it credible art.
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Post by Juice on Jun 17, 2018 9:04:18 GMT -5
For as much crap as Snyder gets for these movies, David Goyer honestly should get way more for his involvement in them too. Dude got mad lucky being tied to the Nolan series and managed to convince a lot of people he was some genius or an equal part of the vision those movies saw when he's since been shown to be the dude he was prior to the Nolan movies, a hack. Worse yet, he's a hack that openly disrespects and mocks comic books & their fans, and thinks every tweak he makes to any existing comic book idea instantly makes it credible art. Goyer must be like Russo in the sense that he has good ideas. Has been put out good stuff with proper funneling through systems. But when on his own goes crazy. I don't dislike a large portion of his back catalog either. Dude wrote the Blade movies, and even directed Trinity, which does have it's fair share of hate, but I love the trilogy dearly. For what it's worth Man of Steel is top 3 maybe even top 2 best Superman movies imo as well.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 17, 2018 9:07:28 GMT -5
With Goyer, I think people have accepted he's pretty shit at superheroes/doesn't like them at all. Snyder has made good movies.
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Post by Clint Bobski on Jun 17, 2018 9:53:05 GMT -5
I actually like the Batman of BVS rather than the one in Justice League. I like Affleck as a tired out, angry, brutal Batman. I really didn't like how Whedon shoved a load of wisecracks in there to lighten the mood.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 17, 2018 10:35:09 GMT -5
With Goyer, I think people have accepted he's pretty shit at superheroes/doesn't like them at all. Snyder has made good movies. Pretty much anything of merit Goyer has been involved in has had someone involved to filter his output.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jun 17, 2018 12:38:24 GMT -5
For as much crap as Snyder gets for these movies, David Goyer honestly should get way more for his involvement in them too. Dude got mad lucky being tied to the Nolan series and managed to convince a lot of people he was some genius or an equal part of the vision those movies saw when he's since been shown to be the dude he was prior to the Nolan movies, a hack. Worse yet, he's a hack that openly disrespects and mocks comic books & their fans, and thinks every tweak he makes to any existing comic book idea instantly makes it credible art. I've just sort of resigned myself to the idea that no matter how bad things get, DC will never see how bad Goyer is.
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