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Post by Schizo on Apr 12, 2018 17:28:44 GMT -5
When did WWE sign Fox Mulder to a deal?
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Post by Big Chungus on Apr 12, 2018 18:33:27 GMT -5
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Apr 12, 2018 18:41:32 GMT -5
I'm concerned about this for 1 reason. Shows are more likely to get cancelled on network then cable. They pull the trigger fast on canceling things on networks. If that would happen to Raw, would it go to FS1? Raw as long as it’s getting 3 million viewers for 52 weeks a year is never getting cancelled. |
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Post by Tenshigure on Apr 12, 2018 18:44:13 GMT -5
I'm concerned about this for 1 reason. Shows are more likely to get cancelled on network then cable. They pull the trigger fast on canceling things on networks. If that would happen to Raw, would it go to FS1? Raw as long as it’s getting 3 million viewers for 52 weeks a year is never getting cancelled. That, and I'm pretty sure an agreement with Fox would be guaranteed air time. They'd have no ability to 'cancel' Monday Night Raw if they were paying the kind of money they were asking for... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 19:40:08 GMT -5
I'm concerned about this for 1 reason. Shows are more likely to get cancelled on network then cable. They pull the trigger fast on canceling things on networks. If that would happen to Raw, would it go to FS1? Raw as long as it’s getting 3 million viewers for 52 weeks a year is never getting cancelled. The main issue is that show's that get half those viewers make much more money from ads. That's one reason why RAW is endless commercial breaks; they emphasize quantity to help combat the stigma of pro wrestling. |
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Post by Richard on Apr 12, 2018 20:13:00 GMT -5
Raw as long as it’s getting 3 million viewers for 52 weeks a year is never getting cancelled. The main issue is that show's that get half those viewers make much more money from ads. That's one reason why RAW is endless commercial breaks; they emphasize quantity to help combat the stigma of pro wrestling. USA doesn't mind that because they've used RAW to grow other shows (among other things). Monk, Burn Notice, Psych, both Chrisley shows, and so on had some of their success credited to RAW, this is what Fox is going for, if the rumors are true. If they bring on RAW and get 100k more to, say Brooklyn 99 or Gotham, I'd think they'd consider it a success. Companies aren't looking for WWE for add revenue, they are looking for it to drive people to other shows on the network. |
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Apr 12, 2018 20:15:52 GMT -5
So how much meddling will FOX do in comparison to what USA has reportedly been doing?
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Apr 14, 2018 3:41:28 GMT -5
Isn’t the kind of ratings that are « high » for cable considered low for network tv?
Isn’t 3 million viewers kind of low for a “sports” programming?
Also, I thought Disney bought the 20th century fox movie division, not the tv networks and cable channels or sports divisions.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 14, 2018 3:52:40 GMT -5
Also, I thought Disney bought the 20th century fox movie division, not the tv networks and cable channels or sports divisions. So things are still being adjusted (Fox's stake for Sky is either on the table or off the table depending on who you read especially with the UK government still looking over Fox's own bid for BSkyB) but as of right now, when this goes through, Disney would own the cable channels and the TV and Film arms. Fox would still have Fox, Fox News and FS1 and FS2. |
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Post by The Barber on Apr 14, 2018 7:50:12 GMT -5
Raw as long as it’s getting 3 million viewers for 52 weeks a year is never getting cancelled. The main issue is that show's that get half those viewers make much more money from ads. That's one reason why RAW is endless commercial breaks; they emphasize quantity to help combat the stigma of pro wrestling. That's why I don't buy this story.
Let's take a look at a few realistic scenarios:
1. Raw moves to two hours: How is that gonna make the show better? They aren't gonna cut Roman out of the show, so what gets taken out?
2. SmackDown gets moved to FS1: What happens when it gets preempted by local sports teams? Do you think Vince is gonna like that? Will WWE show reruns later that night like WCW Nitro used to do? Fox is paying way more for those other sports that they aren't gonna reschedule a bigger, more ad friendly game for a "rasslin' event".
3. Raw moves to Fox: For how long? There is no way Fox is gonna have that show on for over a year. Is there gonna be an overrun? Your late local news ain't gonna like that. That shit got Jay Leno canned in 2009 and he had better ratings than the WWE will get. Sure, the initial viewership will be good, but so was the XFL's.
4. The CW and MyNetworkTV: Why am I bringing this up? The WWE was cancelled by the CW and MyNetworkTV, yet people think Fox is gonna throw this type of money at them? The WWE has been cancelled on every network they have ever been on, except USA. What makes you think Fox is any different? I'm sure there is gonna be an out clause to their deal if Fox is smart about that.
TL;DR: I don't believe the Fox deal and think things about it are being overblown. |
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Post by timelimitdraw on May 8, 2018 9:54:28 GMT -5
Looks like ESPN just snagged the UFC: variety.com/2018/digital/news/ufc-espn-rights-deal-1202802598/If Disney buys most of Fox's assets, FS1 and FS2 (which are staying with Rupert Murodch and aren't part of the Disney deal) will need programming desperately to fill the gaps. All of a sudden, the prospect of WWE on the Fox network (or, at least, their national sports channels) doesn't seem so far-fetched. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 8, 2018 10:00:13 GMT -5
Looks like ESPN just snagged the UFC: variety.com/2018/digital/news/ufc-espn-rights-deal-1202802598/If Disney buys most of Fox's assets, FS1 and FS2 (which are staying with Rupert Murodch and aren't part of the Disney deal) will need programming desperately to fill the gaps. All of a sudden, the prospect of WWE on the Fox network (or, at least, their national sports channels) doesn't seem so far-fetched. It makes it even more interesting considering Comcast apparently want to put another bid in for 20th Century Fox so that COULD make it easier for Fox to get the WWE rights over if they're in negotiations anyway since they own NBC Universal. So in some weird twisted way, Comcast buying them might be more beneficial to WWE than Disney buying them. |
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Post by 111111 on May 8, 2018 10:51:05 GMT -5
I took a look at stuff like Lucifer on Monday nights, and it does roughly 3.6 million viewers. Raw would probably beat that easily enough, even after this bad ratings downturn over the past few years. I don't think USA would throw 400 million at them. That's just insane money and frankly would be overspending. Why would Smackdown suddenly go to 3 hours? Because it would likely be on FS1 and FS1 badly needs content, if you ever turn it on all it is, is UFC reruns. That station needs content so bad if the WWE wanted to split into 4 separate rosters and do 4 3 hour shows a week I'm pretty sure Fox would ok it. Whilst fox and sky are totally two different companies  here in the UK sky sports have the rights to WWE and they rely on it quite heavily to fill slots on their 5+ sports channels. They show all sorts of different stuff from multiple raw (1,2 and 3 hour edits) and Smackdown replays to slam city and vintage collection. Even when sky had less sports channels they heavily filled them with WWE content, there used to be something WWF on one of the channels all the time, they also used to use it as weekend and school holiday programming on their flagship sky one channel which is in all the basic TV packages here and is very high up on the TV guide (the 6th channel to sky customers who make up the bulk of traditional pay TV subscribers here) in fact they showed that much WWF they were at a point once where they'd show Metal on a Sunday which would immediately be followed by a UK version of superstars which would be the exact same matches as the metal that was just on but with different commentary and sometimes in a different order. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 8, 2018 11:33:54 GMT -5
An interesting note, WWE’ll have a presence at NBC’s upfront presentation later this week with Stephanie, John Cena and The Bellas bring there.
Not that it means they’ll make a major announcement there and it could just be contractual but still.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 11:38:42 GMT -5
WWE's ratings don't seem that great to me, even relative to what else is on TV. I don't understand why they're so confident they'll get mad money. Like, there's a claim they'd beat Lucifer's 3.6 easily but them getting over 3.6 is a rarity. Doesn't it usually hover around 3.2 or 3.1?
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on May 8, 2018 11:43:57 GMT -5
WWE's ratings don't seem that great to me, even relative to what else is on TV. I don't understand why they're so confident they'll get mad money. Like, there's a claim they'd beat Lucifer's 3.6 easily but them getting over 3.6 is a rarity. Doesn't it usually hover around 3.2 or 3.1? It'd still probably be one of the most viewed non-sports shows on FOX and would easily be one of them on FS1. Then again I don't really pay attention to network TV much anymore since all I really watch these days are Law & Order repeats on WETV and Shark Tank repeats on CNBC. Oh, and RAW if I don't have to close at work. |
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Post by benstudd on May 8, 2018 16:42:15 GMT -5
Oh man if that is the case, amidst all the screw ups, Vince would be saved again. Failing upwards.
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Post by KofiMania on May 10, 2018 9:53:37 GMT -5
WWE's ratings don't seem that great to me, even relative to what else is on TV. I don't understand why they're so confident they'll get mad money. Like, there's a claim they'd beat Lucifer's 3.6 easily but them getting over 3.6 is a rarity. Doesn't it usually hover around 3.2 or 3.1? There's a big difference being on a cable station like USA and being on network TV like Fox, as far as audience goes. |
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Post by joeiscool on May 10, 2018 9:58:20 GMT -5
The key question is: would this be made before or after the Disney buyout IF that occurs? Cause if it's before than Disney would definitely be able to help WWE. I guarantee Disney would cut them loose as soon as legally possible. Disney is well aware of the baggage WWE comes with. There's probably no less baggage than most things that happen in show business. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on May 10, 2018 10:02:35 GMT -5
Oh man if that is the case, amidst all the screw ups, Vince would be saved again. Failing upwards. And Vince McMahon will keep making money despite himself... |
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here in the UK sky sports have the rights to WWE and they rely on it quite heavily to fill slots on their 5+ sports channels. They show all sorts of different stuff from multiple raw (1,2 and 3 hour edits) and Smackdown replays to slam city and vintage collection.
