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Post by Shai on Apr 22, 2018 21:26:49 GMT -5
Avatar has zero rewatchablity and loses 95% of it's magic played on a television. And I think that’s the reason I haven’t gone back to it. The 3D on that film was something truly special, it used it to make you feel like you were actually in the scenery rather than “look, here’s things flying towards you”. That’s the reason why 3D dropped off so quickly, if more filmmakers used it like Cameron did then, it might still be a force to reckon with. Avatar was something otherworldly in the theater. I rememeber walking out of it thinking it was the greatest movie of all time. That changed quick when I bought the dvd and wasn't distracted by the pretty.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 22, 2018 21:28:21 GMT -5
"There are other stories to tell besides hyper-gonadal males without families doing death-defying things for two hours and wrecking cities in the process", says the screenwriter of Rambo: First Blood Part II. It also pretty blatantly shows he hasn't watched the movies he's criticizing. Spider-man isn't exactly hyper masculine without a family. Guardians of the Galaxy 1 and 2 are about families. The main conflict in Civil War ends up being about Tony Stark's family and Bucky who Steve sees as his brother. Etc. etc.
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Post by Shai on Apr 22, 2018 21:31:28 GMT -5
"There are other stories to tell besides hyper-gonadal males without families doing death-defying things for two hours and wrecking cities in the process", says the screenwriter of Rambo: First Blood Part II. It also pretty blatantly shows he hasn't watched the movies he's criticizing. Spider-man isn't exactly hyper masculine without a family. Guardians of the Galaxy 1 and 2 are about families. The main conflict in Civil War ends up being about Tony Stark's family and Bucky who Steve sees as his brother. Etc. etc. That's what really pissed me off about this because family is a pretty constant theme throughout Marvel in general. I'd accuse DC of what he's discribing WAY before Marvel.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 22, 2018 21:39:12 GMT -5
Pointin out a dude has said some goofy shit isn't hate, it's just saying: "Well that's some goofy shit."
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Apr 22, 2018 21:42:01 GMT -5
You would think of all the people in the world, Cameron would understand a movie that's had years of build up having hype behind it.
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Post by Juice on Apr 22, 2018 22:38:58 GMT -5
I haven't and I don't care. I'm still going to enjoy his movies. If I based my life around avoiding douchebags, it would be a sad lonely and unentertained existence. Plugging your ears to the issues is horribly wrong. What if he said he abused women would you still not care. Nobody is saying u still don’t enjoy his movies and plugging your ears to the issues is pure ignorance Ignorance is assuming I ignore social issues simply because I don't give ashit about someone elses opinion about them.it's really easy not to care about a persons opinion. More people should try it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 22, 2018 22:44:24 GMT -5
Plugging your ears to the issues is horribly wrong. What if he said he abused women would you still not care. Nobody is saying u still don’t enjoy his movies and plugging your ears to the issues is pure ignorance Ignorance is assuming I ignore social issues simply because I don't give ashit about someone elses opinion about them.it's really easy not to care about a persons opinion. More people should try it. Ignorance. If you still support a man because he says stupid shit that’s on you and no one will argue with u on that. But to not want to see the statement with your own eyes because you want to live in your own little bubble world is ingorance You’re commenting on people “hating” on him but yet you don’t know the full story and the basis of your argument is he’s a great director and I enjoy him so leave him alone
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Post by Juice on Apr 22, 2018 22:52:08 GMT -5
Ignorance is assuming I ignore social issues simply because I don't give ashit about someone elses opinion about them.it's really easy not to care about a persons opinion. More people should try it. Ignorance. If you still support a man because he says stupid shit that’s on you and no one will argue with u on that. But to not want to see the statement with your own eyes because you want to live in your own little bubble world is ingorance No, again your own ignorance is showing in your post. What is James Cameron? A film maker. A man who makes movies. He says something stupid that I disagree with? Ok cool. Literally don't care. His opinion is meaningless to me. He said shit about women that offended you? Ok don't see his movies. That doesn't mean his movies aren't good. Which is what my original post states. Im honestly more concerned with the time,he put a human life at risk for a shot in Abyss. A male actor I might add. Why did he do that? Because he is a director who wants to make good movies and he does. The opinion of a film maker be it social or political means dick to me, because it simply doesn't change how I feel about said issues. But please do make assumptions about me and continue to call call me ignorant ona message board. Doesn't bother me because You and Cameron have something in common. Your opinion doesn't affect mine. I'm a free thinker, more people should try it.
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Post by Starshine on Apr 22, 2018 23:10:31 GMT -5
Ignorance. If you still support a man because he says stupid shit that’s on you and no one will argue with u on that. But to not want to see the statement with your own eyes because you want to live in your own little bubble world is ingorance No, again your own ignorance is showing in your post. What is James Cameron? A film maker. A man who makes movies. He says something stupid that I disagree with? Ok cool. Literally don't care. His opinion is meaningless to me. He said shit about women that offended you? Ok don't see his movies. That doesn't mean his movies aren't good. Which is what my original post states. Im honestly more concerned with the time,he put a human life at risk for a shot in Abyss. A male actor I might add. Why did he do that? Because he is a director who wants to make good movies and he does. The opinion of a film maker be it social or political means dick to me, because it simply doesn't change how I feel about said issues. But please do make assumptions about me and continue to call call me ignorant ona message board. Doesn't bother me because You and Cameron have something in common. Your opinion doesn't affect mine. I'm a free thinker, more people should try it. So is there anyone who's opinions you take into consideration? Or does one's profession always dictate the scope of whatever voiced beliefs they should be held accountable for? A main problem with free thinking is that it can regress into basic contrarianism. Isn't it better for a free thinker to form an opinion on a person belief, rather than criticize others for doing the exact same thing? Isn't that the entire basis of free thinking?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 23:16:02 GMT -5
Please tone down the ignorance/ you're ignorant comments.
Thank you.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Apr 22, 2018 23:37:52 GMT -5
So I read this thread title as "James Cameron yearns for Avengers"...
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Post by Juice on Apr 22, 2018 23:40:12 GMT -5
No, again your own ignorance is showing in your post. What is James Cameron? A film maker. A man who makes movies. He says something stupid that I disagree with? Ok cool. Literally don't care. His opinion is meaningless to me. He said shit about women that offended you? Ok don't see his movies. That doesn't mean his movies aren't good. Which is what my original post states. Im honestly more concerned with the time,he put a human life at risk for a shot in Abyss. A male actor I might add. Why did he do that? Because he is a director who wants to make good movies and he does. The opinion of a film maker be it social or political means dick to me, because it simply doesn't change how I feel about said issues. But please do make assumptions about me and continue to call call me ignorant ona message board. Doesn't bother me because You and Cameron have something in common. Your opinion doesn't affect mine. I'm a free thinker, more people should try it. So is there anyone who's opinions you take into consideration? Or does one's profession always dictate the scope of whatever voiced beliefs they should be held accountable for? A main problem with free thinking is that it can regress into basic contrarianism. Isn't it better for a free thinker to form an opinion on a person belief, rather than criticize others for doing the exact same thing? Isn't that the entire basis of free thinking? People who have opinions that matter to me. Experts in the field of which they speak. Doctors speaking about health. Lawyers speaking about law. Teachers and scientists. Lawmakers and legislators, men and women in my community. The people who have opinions that affect my daily life. The opinion of a 70 year old film maker means nothing to me. Unless it's related to film. You guys have tried to turn me into some person defending whatever the hell James said, when 1) I didn't at all and 2) have no idea what he said. I'm not going to allow that to happen, and id much rather you think of me as a "contraian" because I like Titanic and Avatar, than you like me for joining in on some hivemind mentality of this person said dumb shit so everyone must hate him now. I'm not down with that shit. It's modern day book burning. It actually does a disservice to your cause because you're taking a well meaning ideology and running so far away from it that it causes seperation from the cause itself. Don't paint me as a sympathiser because ai said he makes good movies. It's a fact, cold hard fact. Disagree with whatever dumbass thing he said, but he's spent 30plus years making good to great films. My girlfriend makes 3 times more than my yearly income. I was raised by my Grandma, and I respect women don't presume to know me because I disagree with you. It is damn near totalitarian.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 22, 2018 23:43:47 GMT -5
You guys have tried to turn me into some person defending whatever the hell James said, when 1) I didn't at all and 2) have no idea what he said. But this thread is about what he said. Why do you not know what he said if that's what the thread is about? So what, you came into this thread to rag on people?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 22, 2018 23:44:44 GMT -5
So I read this thread title as "James Cameron yearns for Avengers"... So does Kevin Hamilton. Luckily that shit comes out Thursday.
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Post by Juice on Apr 23, 2018 0:07:11 GMT -5
You guys have tried to turn me into some person defending whatever the hell James said, when 1) I didn't at all and 2) have no idea what he said. But this thread is about what he said. Why do you not know what he said if that's what the thread is about? So what, you came into this thread to rag on people? Blatantly ignore the misogyny and anti women statements made? Or just an accident? The op is about superhero fatigue not mistreating women which is somehow what it turned into. He's right too. It would be nice to see more quality stories get green lit and a few less superhero plots.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 23, 2018 0:32:50 GMT -5
You guys have tried to turn me into some person defending whatever the hell James said, when 1) I didn't at all and 2) have no idea what he said. But this thread is about what he said. Why do you not know what he said if that's what the thread is about? So what, you came into this thread to rag on people? And as said before there are valid reasons to criticize him in spite of the Wonder Woman stupidity. He’s complaining about movies and family when Marvel has made that an intergral apart of their phase. Him admitting not having his finger on the pulse and being wrong in that regard makes it worse. James is ragging on something just because and damn whether what he said is true or not
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Post by Stone Cold Eleanor Shellstrop on Apr 23, 2018 0:41:36 GMT -5
Am...I the only one that finds irony in him saying this when he's the director of ALIENS, an installment that turned the Alien franchise from a thriller horror idea into very much what he's accusing the Avengers saga of being? Like, I like Aliens but come on, man. Some self awareness would be nice. I think you might need to watch Aliens again? Aliens ends with one mother defending her surrogate daughter from another mother whose children have all been killed. Whereas all the hyper-gonad males in the movie, to use Cameron's phrase, basically fail and die. Gorman and Apone are shown to be bad leaders, Drake's overeagerness leads to his disfiguration and death, Hudson is all bluster and whine until his last stand, Burke is a corporate weasel whose cowardice is his undoing, and even Hicks, the most wily of the men, can't outsmart the xenomorphs and remains out of commission at the end of the movie. Ripley only survives because she relies on another female character, Newt, who can't resort to violence to solve problems, unlike the women members of the military unit--Dietrich and Ferro (who are basically non-entities in terms of character), but especially Vasquez. If anything, Aliens is the point furthest from the very things Cameron complains, correctly or incorrectly, about the Marvel movies. I can kind of see Cameron's point about the Marvel movies. Looking at some of the recent Marvel movies, Black Panther: Wakanda guy whose dad died fights African-American cousin whose dad died. Thor Ragnarok: Asgardian guy fights estranged sister after their dad dies. Spider-Man Homecoming: Teenage guy fights love interest's criminal dad. Guardians of the Galaxy 2: Earth guy fights deadbeat dad because deadbeat dad killed earth guy's mom. Civil War: Rich guy ends up fighting World War II guys because one World War II guy killed rich guy's parents. Age of Ultron: Unwanted, unloved AI child fights parents, who find a better, cuddlier version of AI child, who kills the first AI child. Even the Marvel TV shows fall into patterns of dad/brother issues (Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist). The only real healthy family unit that also isn't paternalistic can be found on Agents of SHIELD.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 23, 2018 0:42:01 GMT -5
He's right too. It would be nice to see more quality stories get green lit and a few less superhero plots. Except there aren't less quality stories. There's always been blockbusters and there's always been prestige pictures, and one doesn't really affect the other. On top of that, the superhero market is dominated by Marvel Studios, DC Films - both of which exist for the sole purpose of making superhero movies - and Fox, which is still putting out as much variety as it ever has and is happy to pump a literal billion dollars into his four blue cat people movies. Superhero movies going away isn't going to make two of those studios start putting out high art dramas or anything.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 0:43:46 GMT -5
Avatar has to be the most successful movie that I’ve never heard anyone talk about in real life.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 23, 2018 0:50:23 GMT -5
He's right too. It would be nice to see more quality stories get green lit and a few less superhero plots. Except there aren't less quality stories. There's always been blockbusters and there's always been prestige pictures, and one doesn't really affect the other. On top of that, the superhero market is dominated by Marvel Studios, DC Films - both of which exist for the sole purpose of making superhero movies - and Fox, which is still putting out as much variety as it ever has and is happy to pump a literal billion dollars into his four blue cat people movies. Superhero movies going away isn't going to make two of those studios start putting out high art dramas or anything. Besides that, superheroes are hot and have been hot for a number of years so people will do what they can to get a piece of that pie. That's not to say there aren't other movies out there that isn't enjoyable but superheroes generate a buzz And even when you consider that into question just because it's a superhero movie doesn't mean it can't be something else. Hell, Deadpool was essentially more of a date/romance movie than people thought it would be. Black Panther has an underlying meaning and even had people like my mother going to see it because of the buzz it generated
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