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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 23, 2018 22:38:36 GMT -5
The rules at times make no story sense. When you have an escape rule and the cage has a door, WHY are you climbing to get out than?
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 23, 2018 23:14:19 GMT -5
Yeah, the idea of "two men enter, one man leaves" is fairly logical, but get rid of the cage door. Escaping the cage should be a remarkable feat with one hell of a risk should you get knocked off the top, but it's ruined when there's a f***ing door that doesn't carry that risk or effort.
Also, cage interference should be rare, and again, not be able to go through a door. Like that Becky vs. Bliss cage a match a few years ago where La Luchadora just walks right past the ref and into the cage.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 0:12:10 GMT -5
According to Lesnar this match where you win by leaving is the closest thing to a UFC match out there. Because WWE does not have a match type with a cage where it's super hard to leave. Nope.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 0:33:48 GMT -5
Just saw a Bruno/Hansen match in a cage and man, dude bloodied the f*** outta Stan and just looked at his beaten body and debated whether he should continue or leave. After like 7 seconds he walked towards the cage and got out. The crowd was on fire.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 24, 2018 0:51:47 GMT -5
Well yeah... That was pretty clearly the idea.
The face beat the crap out of you until he's done with you and walks away...
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Apr 24, 2018 2:41:35 GMT -5
That sounds like good reasoning for that rule back in Bruno's day. The face can beat the heel up so bad he can simply walk away. But every WWF cage match I've seen, the same questions are always asked. Who will escape first? Will so and so take the easy way through the door? The whole premise is pretty dumb and gimmicky.
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Post by schma on Apr 24, 2018 4:06:14 GMT -5
I grew up watching WWF and I got that cage matches were meant to keep interference out, especially since a lot of times there'd be guys outside trying to get in. Usually it was the heel trying to get out quickly. Admittedly, it's not quite the same nowadays but it always seemed to be that it was meant to be that before hell in a cell took over. The idea was the face would finally get the heel alone to give him his comeuppance. Now though the cage is just a gimmick they do every so often because reasons and even hell in a cell for all their talking it up is going that way.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 24, 2018 4:17:22 GMT -5
I prefer tag matches in the cage To me, THAT is where the escape stipulation falls down. As soon as you're "winning" the match by having one person get out, you've lost since it's 2 on one, so no one should ever really try to leave the cage.
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Post by -Lithium- on Apr 24, 2018 17:27:34 GMT -5
I dont really get the "A CAGE IS SUPPOSE TO KEEP PEOPLE IN AND STOP INTERFERENCE" even if its a cage with no top thing. Uh, how? Why wouldn't someone interfere? People can climb them. There's nothing stopping anyone from interfering and by the end of the match theres nothing stopping the winner from leaving regardless. If a title on the line theres nothing wrong with the face "escaping" to retain, and if its some grudge match type thing the face usually beats down the guy until hes satisfied. If its a heel, it makes sense for them to try and escape. Like I get the idea behind the claim, but when you think about it it really doesnt violate logic.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Apr 24, 2018 17:49:06 GMT -5
I prefer tag matches in the cage To me, THAT is where the escape stipulation falls down. As soon as you're "winning" the match by having one person get out, you've lost since it's 2 on one, so no one should ever really try to leave the cage. I think there was match a year or two ago where one person escaped and was celebrating and the other guys just beat up on his partner and the guy had to climb back in hahah
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Post by benstudd on Apr 24, 2018 20:55:17 GMT -5
Was that really the idea behind it that the "good guy was so honorable to not continue to beat the bad guy"? Everytime I saw Bruno in vids fighting in the cage, he was like an animal and he didn't come off like a good guy. Maybe that's why they did.
But once Hogan came along, it was far less vicious and it did come off like the winner was a coward. Personally while I prefer when it's the regular cage matches either winning by a pin or giving up, I never mind about the leaving the cage thing cause it's fun to watch.
I liked how TNA use to approach it back in the day where for the regular badass wrestlers, it's a fight for survival but when it's the cruiserweights, it's an escape the cage match.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Apr 24, 2018 21:17:10 GMT -5
This fit Sammartino perfectly because he could finally lose his cool, but as the honorable, virtuous hero, he would show mercy at the end and calmly walk out of the cage, all while showing disgust for the villain he had just dispatched. At the risk of being wrong... It'd be nice if we had a finish like this in the last 20 years involving a modern face.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 22:55:47 GMT -5
Personally I feel like cage matches ideally should only be able to be won by escape and only by climbing them. Pins just toss away the most unique thing the match type has going for it and the door destroys the logic of the match.
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Post by Starshine on Apr 24, 2018 23:02:55 GMT -5
The escape gimmick is the reason no one gives a shit about cage matches. Yes, they made sense with how they used them in the Sammartino era. But it's pointless to use that an an example when that era is over 40 years ago, and hasn't been the case since.
Now a cage match is just another generic gimmick where we go in expecting some bullshit convoluted finish with nothing ultimately settled.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Apr 24, 2018 23:32:59 GMT -5
I prefer tag matches in the cage To me, THAT is where the escape stipulation falls down. As soon as you're "winning" the match by having one person get out, you've lost since it's 2 on one, so no one should ever really try to leave the cage. This is what frustrates me about tag team cage matches in video games. My jerk AI partner leaves too soon, leaving me to get beat up. It's like the AI is against you on both sides.
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Post by lookout on Apr 24, 2018 23:58:20 GMT -5
Yeah, the idea of "two men enter, one man leaves" is fairly logical, but get rid of the cage door. Escaping the cage should be a remarkable feat with one hell of a risk should you get knocked off the top, but it's ruined when there's a f***ing door that doesn't carry that risk or effort. Also, cage interference should be rare, and again, not be able to go through a door. Like that Becky vs. Bliss cage a match a few years ago where La Luchadora just walks right past the ref and into the cage. Agreed about the door. It's why I truly despise wwe cage matches. There are a hundred times a match where someone could walk out the door if they wanted. Nevermind the stupidity of someone choosing to climb out vs the door. If it was just climbing out it would be ok.
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Post by schma on Apr 25, 2018 1:47:14 GMT -5
Yeah, the idea of "two men enter, one man leaves" is fairly logical, but get rid of the cage door. Escaping the cage should be a remarkable feat with one hell of a risk should you get knocked off the top, but it's ruined when there's a f***ing door that doesn't carry that risk or effort. Also, cage interference should be rare, and again, not be able to go through a door. Like that Becky vs. Bliss cage a match a few years ago where La Luchadora just walks right past the ref and into the cage. Agreed about the door. It's why I truly despise wwe cage matches. There are a hundred times a match where someone could walk out the door if they wanted. Nevermind the stupidity of someone choosing to climb out vs the door. If it was just climbing out it would be ok. I do think they typically lock it, though if I recall correctly you can tell the ref to unlock it. Perhaps they only lock it when they expect interference. Still it is silly to climb the wall instead of going through the door.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 25, 2018 1:59:42 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with the escaping the cage rule, to me, though I prefer when it's an option, and pinning/submission are still viable.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 25, 2018 2:15:07 GMT -5
The rules at times make no story sense. When you have an escape rule and the cage has a door, WHY are you climbing to get out than? The idea is, usually, you have to wait for the ref to open the door, so there's that delay, and if you're climbing up, it's supposed to be more difficult for them to get at you. Realistically, it's just to create match drama, but there's a logical thread to it still. As previously stated in the thread, though, it should be up to commentators to sell this, but they don't.
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